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AwesomeYears is a nooby composer! :P
« on: May 04, 2015, 11:37:17 AM »

So far, I have two compositions that I've made.
The Cave of Fortunes is a fantasy(?) song with a xylophone, flute, strings orchestra and a electrical piano.

This song tells a tale of an wannabe adventurer dreaming of finding a cave full of gems and treasure but lots of obstacles occur! The adventurer goes and goes through the "maze" and excitedly finds the jackpot. Suddenly, the jackpot is a trap and he ends up in another level. This becomes endless until he wakes up because it was all a dream...

I'm gonna fix some stuff up with the measures and the dynamics of the instruments e.g. the piano to start a bit louder, but you can still hear the xylophone. The music was recorded with Finale 2014's MIDI playback so it sound pretty swell. Other than that, your opinions?

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Re: AwesomeYears is a nooby composer! :P
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2015, 05:58:05 AM »

Wow, our community sucks, lol

I like it! It really conveys the feeling you're going for, and the dips in volume where the strings drop out really work in your favor. I can also easily hear this looping into a cave theme for a game, even though you didn't specify that it was intended for that.

Some suggestions:
-Try to expand beyond using strings just like synths! They do sound pretty on unison-rhythm held long notes, but they're capable of so much more. It's not only good exercise to try to use more techniques on strings, but it could also suit this piece very well. Pizzicato, in particular, could work pretty well for this type of theme, and sounds pretty decent no matter what program you're writing in, imo.
-If you're ever trying to do this or something similar in an actual DAW (digital audio workshop, i.e. Logic, Ableton, ProTools, etc.), you might actually want to try some real synths; they can establish some beautiful textures for a setting like this.
-The brief major section right before the end seems kind of out of place the way it is now; you seem to have a pretty clear idea of the story you're trying to tell, and I don't quite see how it fits in. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on why you put it the way you did; i.e. where that fits into the story. I can't tell whether you're trying to have that hit be him finding the treasure, waking up, or something else, but either way it seems strange going directly back to a minor tonality so quickly.

All in all, nice work. Keep it up; practice makes perfect!
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Re: AwesomeYears is a nooby composer! :P
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2015, 09:43:56 AM »

Really, all that I'm slightly iffy about here is the dynamics/instrument balance.

Maybe you could add some sort of "echo" to the flute to add to that cave feel? You could do that quickly by just copy-pasting the flute into another staff with a eighth rest delay and lowering the volume of the second track by maybe 50-70%?
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2015, 11:06:26 AM »

I think that while it's important to consider how you'd like it to sound in terms of effects and dynamics, getting into playback on finale is in itself kind of iffy :P

Finale really isn't and shouldn't be the last stage of production for any piece of music that isn't just meant as a formative/educational experience for the composer (as in, something that won't be performed or fleshed out in a DAW). In the professional world, it's only ever used as a means to convey information to live performers, and even then, so much of the dynamic and stylistic decision-making is done in rehearsal, performance, recording, etc. (I guess it's possible that people might also use it to visualize a piece before working it out in a DAW, but even the few who would use notation software for that would likely be using sibelius to do so)

I do agree that, in a good recording, it would be ideal to have some sort of effect to signify the cavernous space, but I think that'd be much better represented by an ensemble-wide reverb than a single echo. An identical part at a lower volume an eighth note later would end up sounding pretty mechanical and arbitrary imo
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Re: AwesomeYears is a nooby composer! :P
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 11:42:59 AM »

I agree that Finale is pretty much not suited for anything beyond sheet music. I've been looking for a good DAW to use, but in the meantime, I'm stuck with Finale.

The echo thing is actually pretty commonly used, and its effect is slightly different reverb. Reverb would be easier to implement, though- I'm not sure if Finale would handle the echos too well. I guess the tempo here would be too slow for an eighth note delay, and it would sound rather clunky.
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2015, 12:17:35 PM »

No yeah, trust me I write with actual echo as opposed to reverb a decent amount. But echo puts much more emphasis on the attack of a note's envelope than reverb does, and flute, especially in this setting, isn't a very attack-centric instrument. You're also right that the tempo is much of what would hinder an eighth note delay here; it'd just sound way too mechanical.

As for DAWs, as much as I despise apple, I'd recommend logic. It seemed daunting to me at first, but ended up being much easier to learn and use than I'd imagined. Pro tools is really just for post-logic or post-recording sessions, and ableton/reason are more for electronic music.
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Re: AwesomeYears is a nooby composer! :P
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2016, 04:33:26 AM »

(Revive)

I bought myself the Korg iM1 App off the App Store for my Casio keyboard, and the sounds that are included on it are amazing! Then I realised that with the help of GarageBand, I can record the iM1 sounds on GarageBand so it's perfect quality instead of fzzzzzzzzzzzzzz in the background. I recorded my first song right away for reddit's /r/songaweek (compose a song fitting the theme every week). This week's theme is Simplicity, so here you go, a simple song! https://soundcloud.com/awesomeyears/angel-of-the-future

(I know the sounds aren't exactly in sync, but time will help me improve that.)
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 07:26:49 AM »

(I'm good at reviving my threads, now hiring.)

Two new songs eh? Check 'em out!

https://soundcloud.com/awesomeyears/gee-thats-rude (Song based on Dorian)

https://soundcloud.com/awesomeyears/ballerina (Song based on Phyrigan)
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Re: AwesomeYears is a nooby composer! :P
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2017, 09:04:32 PM »

They're a bit old but it won't hurt.


Gee that's rude - Really smooth, I love it! Some nice funky chords in there. The second section with the bass solo is incredible - I wouldn't change a thing. The one thing I would change however is the length of the first section as it seems to repeat just a few too many times. If it moved to the second section a tad earlier it would really help as I thought it was going to just be the first part for the whole thing. Other than that it's fab, bud :D

Ballerina - Genius use of odd rhythms with no context and then throwing the drums in later! Really smooth string writing too. Good job making followable and nice-sounding given the phyrigian mode. Make a twenty minute loop of this and I'll listen to it every day :D
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