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What key/time signature is this song in?

Started by The Deku Trombonist, March 24, 2013, 03:27:01 PM

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Tobbeh99

I'm having trouble deciding which time signature this song fits best in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gFSWJGxMqQ

A fast (q.=150) 9/8 could do it, or maybe even 9/16 (8.=150) (I like the string triplets being 16th showing that they are quick) but it might be a bit too unusual. Also a slow (q.=50) 12/8 is also an option, but it works best in the beginning I'd have to change time signatures later on to 6/8 or 3/8. I leaning towards 9/16, but the only thing stopping me is if it's to unusual. So I'd like to hear you guys opinion.
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Jompa

9/8 would probably be the easiest to both write and read.
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Olimar12345

What? It's obviously in some form of compound meter. The melody comes in with a big 2-3-4-1 every other bar, with triplet subdivision underneath.
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mastersuperfan

I'd say 9/8. It's more common and thus, as Jompa said, easier to read.

I have a question of my own:


What time sig should I notate this in? I'm thinking I should do 6/8, but a fast 3/4 might also work. Thoughts?
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Quote from: Latios212 on February 11, 2016, 03:29:24 PMThe difference between 2000 songs and 2010 songs is 10 songs.

TheMarioPianist

I'd probably go 6/8 because it has that triplet type feel that is associated with 6/8. Watch out though, because that 4 measure intro is in 4/4. And 4/4 shows up for a couple other 2 measure and 4 measure sets as well, so watch for those.
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mastersuperfan

Quote from: TheMarioPianist on November 01, 2015, 02:23:28 PMI'd probably go 6/8 because it has that triplet type feel that is associated with 6/8. Watch out though, because that 4 measure intro is in 4/4. And 4/4 shows up for a couple other 2 measure and 4 measure sets as well, so watch for those.

I don't think it's 4/4, is it? I think the notes are dotted eighths in a 6/8 rhythm.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 11, 2016, 03:00:36 PMthere's also a huge difference in quality between 2000 songs and 2010 songs
Quote from: Latios212 on February 11, 2016, 03:29:24 PMThe difference between 2000 songs and 2010 songs is 10 songs.

TheMarioPianist

Quote from: mastersuperfan on November 01, 2015, 02:27:59 PMI don't think it's 4/4, is it? I think the notes are dotted eighths in a 6/8 rhythm.

Well, the percussion is playing a 4/4 type pattern and the huge tempo change from those sections to the 6/8 ones makes me think they are different time sigs as well. I don't hear any indication of 6/8 in those occasional sections.
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mastersuperfan

Quote from: TheMarioPianist on November 01, 2015, 02:38:44 PMWell, the percussion is playing a 4/4 type pattern and the huge tempo change from those sections to the 6/8 ones makes me think they are different time sigs as well. I don't hear any indication of 6/8 in those occasional sections.

At 1:18, the accordion is playing a triplet-based rhythm on top of that lower part. I don't hear any tempo change at all, actually. If you notate them as dotted eighths in 6/8, then there is no tempo change.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 11, 2016, 03:00:36 PMthere's also a huge difference in quality between 2000 songs and 2010 songs
Quote from: Latios212 on February 11, 2016, 03:29:24 PMThe difference between 2000 songs and 2010 songs is 10 songs.

InsigTurtle

You need to notate them in dotted quarters, not dotted eighths. Then you can keep the 6/8 throughout.

mastersuperfan

Quote from: InsigTurtle on November 01, 2015, 02:48:32 PMYou need to notate them in dotted quarters, not dotted eighths. Then you can keep the 6/8 throughout.

Then it doesn't match right with 6/8. The strong beats are 1 and 4 in 6/8. In that case, the melody would go like this:

1-2-3-4-5-6-1-2-3-4-5-6

When what I'm hearing is a 6/8 half as fast, with the melody playing like so:

1-2-3-4-5-6-and
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 11, 2016, 03:00:36 PMthere's also a huge difference in quality between 2000 songs and 2010 songs
Quote from: Latios212 on February 11, 2016, 03:29:24 PMThe difference between 2000 songs and 2010 songs is 10 songs.

InsigTurtle

My bad, I thought you were talking about something else.
Thing is, about the opening, notating it in dotted eighths is rather awkward, since dotted quarters aren't usually divided into dotted eighths. 2:3 Duplets may be better, but then you'd have to deal with nesting and all that when that other voice pops in to say hello for a couple of seconds (with a triple feel).
Just some food for thought.

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mastersuperfan

Quote from: InsigTurtle on November 01, 2015, 04:01:02 PMMy bad, I thought you were talking about something else.
Thing is, about the opening, notating it in dotted eighths is rather awkward, since dotted quarters aren't usually divided into dotted eighths. 2:3 Duplets may be better, but then you'd have to deal with nesting and all that when that other voice pops in to say hello for a couple of seconds (with a triple feel).
Just some food for thought.

I tried making a table to show what I mean but the BBCode formatting didn't work so I deleted it.

Yeah, this is getting messy real quickly. It doesn't help that the bass line during the main part in 6/8 still plays a rhythm similar to that of the beginning section...
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 11, 2016, 03:00:36 PMthere's also a huge difference in quality between 2000 songs and 2010 songs
Quote from: Latios212 on February 11, 2016, 03:29:24 PMThe difference between 2000 songs and 2010 songs is 10 songs.

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InsigTurtle

Your vid's broken on my side.

I think it's D major, then to Ab major at 0:27.
I'd write the time signature as 4/4 with swing.