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FireArrow

Quote from: mariolegofan on December 23, 2015, 05:36:50 PMAlso, I forgot to bring up Donald Trump. I would be very anxious having him as president and think he's one of the worst on the Republican Party. His goals are very far-fetched. Building a wall (as he likes to say time and time again is just stupid) and getting rid of the Islamic people is just as stupid. Having him on the Republican side just makes all the Republicans look bad which does not help anything. If he was president, he'd start a war with every country in the world O_O

Yay double posts. Question: Would you vote Trump over a democrat?
Quote from: Dudeman on January 23, 2017, 05:35:59 PM
straight from the department of redundancy department

Sebastian

Quote from: FireArrow on December 23, 2015, 05:46:58 PMYou should probably see what the democrats have to say if you plan on voting. You'd be doing a disservice to your country is you voted someone without a fair consideration of both sides and all viable candidates.
Don't worry. I know plenty about them. A friend of mine is always talking to me about politics and gives me the scoop on every debate (GOP and Democrat). :P
And, as I said, I agree with almost everything Rubio has to say.

Quote from: FireArrow on December 23, 2015, 05:46:58 PMIf experience was you're main interest, then wouldn't Hillary be your gal?
I don't agree with most of what she says. She almost has the opposite views that I (and Rubio) have on a plethora of subjects.

Quote from: FireArrow on December 23, 2015, 05:46:58 PMSome candidates do so more than others. There's just a few issues that you should always try and check politifact or better yet a primary source (please don't use news articles and blogs.)
Notably:
Planned Parent Hood
Obama
Gun Control
Gay Marriage and Adoption
One politician talking about another
etc.
Of course. I know what I think about on all of these issues and will probably vote accordingly.


Quote from: FireArrow on December 23, 2015, 05:49:43 PMYay double posts. Question: Would you vote Trump over a democrat?
Hmmmm.....that's a toughy. I don't know if I'd like having Trump as a president and don't think I'd vote for him. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it if that is what it comes to. I don't think Trump can beat any Democrat running.

Btw, I'm glad how "cool" this is going. This is how conversations on controversial topics should be done! 👍



Waddle Bro

Quote from: mariolegofan on December 23, 2015, 04:54:09 PMActually, I have no clue what that site even is.....Blue told me to post that link O_O
firearrow said it pretty well and tight but i'm gonna take it a bit further, because thinking critically is one of the biggest things in life for me because imo people should know why they are doing the things they're doing.

so, thinking can be exhausting and life can feel like just a one big moment of "whatever". when we combine fatigue and the fear to make decisions with the countless institutions, societies, people and religions that love explaining us what we should do, we get used to it and start to think it's pointless to think for ourselves when so many other things could just take the wheel of our thoughts.

instead of letting blue or anyone ghost your thoughts and tell you what to do, you should think critically and do what you think is the best. i'm not saying listening to other people is bad, but listening to someone else blindly without knowing why is. i'm not telling you to close your minds and reject everything the world has to say. taking someone else's advice can be great, but you need to figure out why you should take the advice. that way the information you perceive becomes a part of you and your essence, so you're taking your own advice. we should continue searching for wisdom and knowledge and continue to listening to others, but we shouldn't make any of it a part of ourselves unless we agree with it. every time you hear or observe something or someone is telling you what to do, just ask yourself if you agree with it. that way you avoid following something blindly.

"but woodle bra aren't you telling us how we should think right now?!" i'm actually not. i'm here to just get you to open your eyes and even question everything i'm telling you at this moment. if you listen to what i'm telling blindly, you're letting just another thing control your thoughts and cloud your mind. don't swallow shit that people try to shove down your throats. trust yourselves. even if you're afraid of mistakes, just remember that mistakes aren't the bad thing, they only teach and make you stronger. but the fear of mistakes is what paralyzes your ass. when you let something control your thoughts, you're like a pen, only a tool.

Ruto

A medical degree (MD) is NOT a doctorate (PhD). Just thought I'd put that out there.

I seem to be missing a piece of my ear.

mikey

A couple days ago I had the shocking realization that I'm going to be able to vote in the next election.  I most certainly will not.  My political views:
Conservatives:
They get it right.
Liberals:
They're misguided, but well-meaning.
Trump:
Not a conservative.
Carson:
A crazy doctor.  Knows nothing of politics.
Cruz:
I guess this is the best guy, cause most of the conservatives from my hometown love him.
Clinton:
If it had to be a democrat, it should be her.
Sanders:
Socialist.  Will make America a Non-America.
Waddle Bro:
What the heck why is this guy so invested in American politics, seems fishy, not gonna listen to anything he says
Trump Followers:
Shockingly, they do exist.  They seem to ignore the bad stuff he says- quote from my facebook: "True, he's rough around the edges, but maybe rough is what america needs."  gross.
Politics:
Kind of stupid.
Declaration of Independence:
We're AMERICA, not BRITISH COLONIES.  We don't WANT to switch to european government.
Declaration of Independence:
Hey, if we hate it, we can tear it down.  Revolt of the citizens is justified by the D of I.
Constitution:
We The People.  Too much Good Cop v Bad Cop, White Lives v Black Lives, all that stupid crap.  We're all americans.  Except for the illegal aliens ("Undocumented Democrats" lol).  They should get that sorted out.
Me:
Still not gonna vote.
unmotivated

KefkaticFanatic

If you actually think Sanders is a "socialist", you should see the nutjob in the Seattle city government and rethink your definition.

Also, what is your definition of "America", and better yet, "misguided"?



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mikey

Quote from: KefkaticFanatic on December 23, 2015, 09:21:09 PMIf you actually think Sanders is a "socialist", you should see the nutjob in the Seattle city government and rethink your definition.

Also, what is your definition of "America", and better yet, "misguided"?
I realize that 2/3 of colonists didn't want to split from America, but the 1/3 that did felt like Britain was doing it wrong.  There's a reason America has the oldest government structure today and it's not because Europe is better at government.
Misguided means they think spending money that we don't have is a good idea.  I guarantee you that when you got a credit card your parents told you not to spend money you didn't have.  If they didn't, well, that means either you knew that already or they were terrible parents.
unmotivated

Clanker37

I still find it absolutely astounding that if you mention any kind of socialism to an American their heads explode. Most modern iterations of socialism is democratic socialism where the government provides essential services (including education, health care and climate action) whilst remaining a mostly capitalist economy.

But that's none of my business...

*sips on affordable tertiary education and government which can utilise bipartisanship.*

*chokes on high taxes and unions*

*doesn't die due to free healthcare*

Ruto

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 23, 2015, 09:05:20 PMCruz:
I guess this is the best guy, cause most of the conservatives from my hometown love him.

Loooooooooooooool

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 23, 2015, 09:05:20 PMMe:
Still not gonna vote.

Good.

Other stuff:
I think people have commented about that already.

I seem to be missing a piece of my ear.

Pianist Da Sootopolis

Here's a small list of 10 socialist programs that're already in America:
- The FBI
- The CIA
- The U.S. Military
- Unions
- Social Security
- Roads/Highways
- Food Stamps
- Police Departments
- Gov't funded hospitals
- Public Transportation
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mikey

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FireArrow

Quote from: mariolegofan on December 23, 2015, 05:55:05 PMDon't worry. I know plenty about them. A friend of mine is always talking to me about politics and gives me the scoop on every debate (GOP and Democrat). :P

Refer to waddle's post because he already covers this subject well, but I'll give myself a shot at it as well.

You've just proven that you don't. Second hand information from a friend that's probably blueflower =/= knowing both sides. I've talked to blue a lot about the debates too, his opinion of the debates is usually "Rubio proves he's the best once again" and "The democrats were really stupid." Being a complete coincidence, this also perfectly aligns with his political views. I personally don't watch the debates (no one actually debates...), but I'm also self aware enough to not accept everything blue says about them as indisputable fact. If you wanna know what democrats want, don't ask someone who hates them, find out for yourself.

QuoteAnd, as I said, I agree with almost everything Rubio has to say.
I don't agree with most of what she says. She almost has the opposite views that I (and Rubio) have on a plethora of subjects.
Of course. I know what I think about on all of these issues and will probably vote accordingly.

Make sure your opinion on these subjects isn't founded upon misinformation. Hint: If it's based off of things friends and family told you it's probably wrong.

QuoteHmmmm.....that's a toughy. I don't know if I'd like having Trump as a president and don't think I'd vote for him. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it if that is what it comes to. I don't think Trump can beat any Democrat running.

Btw, I'm glad how "cool" this is going. This is how conversations on controversial topics should be done! 👍

I mostly ask because it's shaping up to be Trump vs. Clinton.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 23, 2015, 09:05:20 PMMy political views:
Conservatives:
They get it right.
Liberals:
They're misguided, but well-meaning.
My political views as a nonpartisan:
Conservatives:
2 decades behind in civil rights, hypocritical about economic issues. (Democrats spend too much money, so we're gonna cut taxes and spend money on the military!)
Democrats:
Seem to talk a lot and make very vague promises without doing much. At least they're progressive with civil rights, which is really the only reason I favor them.

Like seriously, I try to consider both sides fairly, but it's really hard when the entire cast of republicans has an entire portion of their campaign dedicated to why I'm not allowed to marry. Fiorina is the only one that doesn't make me feel like some kind of second class citizen subordinate to the rules of a religion I'm not even a part of.
Quote from: Dudeman on January 23, 2017, 05:35:59 PM
straight from the department of redundancy department

mikey

It's also worth noting I went to school in Minnesota and so my textbooks were probably liberal
unmotivated

FireArrow

I don't think textbooks talk about politics much?
Quote from: Dudeman on January 23, 2017, 05:35:59 PM
straight from the department of redundancy department

Pianist Da Sootopolis

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 24, 2015, 12:08:15 AMIt's also worth noting I went to school in Minnesota and so my textbooks were probably liberal
Depends who your textbooks were written by. Keep in mind that, while there are opinions in even the most intellectual of textbooks, they primarily present facts as a teaching material.
That said, don't trust Texas textbooks regarding slavery..
Quote from: FireArrow on December 24, 2015, 12:11:17 AMI don't think textbooks talk about politics much?
They do if they're textbooks for social science classes, specifically US history classes or world history classes.
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