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Re: Politics
« Reply #1935 on: September 01, 2017, 12:50:36 AM »

ISIS rose because of our invasion of Iraq. There is a legitimate problem of Islamic extremism in the Middle East, but the way to be involved is not by directly fighting. We've proven that we're too interested in oil to do that; if we cared about extremism, we wouldn't fund Saudi. We can definitely give aid to forces like the Kurds, maybe even some special ops operations if it gets extremely dire. But liberating entire cities? We get into the perpetual war trap by doing that.

I can agree that ISIS is sort of a consequence on US invasion of Iraq. But now when they rose, you have to deal with them. And I agree that the best long term solution would be for the US to just get out of there slowly. Like I don't get why US, and other western countries, even have relations with like Saudi and the Gulf states!? (probably only because of oil...). Btw I thought that the US troops in Syria and Iraq are more there to help the other local groups, not as an own force. Because after they get rid of ISIS, then those groups like the kurds, the Syrian regime, the PMU etc. are going to have to take over.

If the Mid East countries tried to "increase their superiority" (whatever that means), I guarantee that the US would not be a fan.I agree.

Like what could the US do about it!? Sanctions!!? Or? Like they could obviously try to stop them from gaining any influence and all that. But it's not like they could invade a country like that. When they invaded Iraq, it's was on the reasoning that Saddam Hussein was a crazy dictator. But if they just invade countries for no reason, I'm pretty sure that a lot of major world countries would be against it, and that's why they wouldn't even do that. So what is the US going to do about it?

And about what the "increase superiority" meant is that they say that those countries saying that "they don't need all the US troops. They are a stable country that can take care of it's own problems themselves.". And that way the pseudo-empire is gone. If you don't have or need any troops there, then what's left of the empire?
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1936 on: September 01, 2017, 01:11:38 AM »

Slightly off topic but tobbeh you should definitely consider playing the werewolf game
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1937 on: September 01, 2017, 02:04:54 AM »

pls no
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1938 on: September 01, 2017, 02:34:33 AM »

I'm serious
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« Reply #1939 on: September 01, 2017, 04:39:15 AM »

pls pls no
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« Reply #1940 on: September 01, 2017, 04:50:56 AM »

I'm seriously serious, he'd be good
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« Reply #1941 on: September 01, 2017, 12:24:20 PM »

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Re: Politics
« Reply #1942 on: September 01, 2017, 12:45:07 PM »

Slightly off topic but tobbeh you should definitely consider playing the werewolf game

Is that some mafia-like game? If so, thanks but no thanks.
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« Reply #1943 on: September 01, 2017, 03:13:08 PM »

Pls do it, we need more players anyway and maybe it'd be a good outlet for you since long constant posts are really good things there
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« Reply #1944 on: September 16, 2017, 05:22:12 PM »

Sometimes these days it feels hard to make sense of politics. One usual way of visualizing politics use to be the left-right scale. On the left you have socialism, progressivism, communism etc. And in the middle you have liberalism, capitalism and more to right conservatism. That is very simple how I learned it. And often the left usually support the workers, likes to talk about them being the "worker's party", and then the right (apart from also claiming that they are the worker's party) claiming that they are the entrepreneur party, the party for the carrier-minded and company-friendly. But these days, it seems to have changed with a lot of "alt-right"-parties coming up, mostly thriving on the fact that they are against immigration. But apart from that they usually doesn't fit that well onto the left-right map. They often have collectivistic thoughts and sometimes leftist views when it comes to economy. But are often very conservative when it comes to social issues. Here in Sweden we've had this unique situation for a while. We've usually have had a very simple left-right politics throughout the years, but with the new national-conservative party SD, it shifts the scale. I've had a hard time figuring out how the left-right scale looks at this point, but after some thought I came to the conclusion that it's more like a circle at this point. 

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*the yellow representing the Swedish nationalist party's color.

And it makes sense that both the left and the right parties doesn't want to cooperate with the nationalistic party. The most common opinion is that "they are rasist (or some other evil word)". And the party has tried to clean up itself and get all rasists away from the party, having the image that they are "against immigration". It has somewhat worked, and somewhat not. But I think both the left and the right doesn't want to cooperate with SD because of ideological opinions. Honestly wished that the party went away and that the Swedish politics went back to the first one as it use to be, thinking that it is easier to grasp. But it is as it is...
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1945 on: September 16, 2017, 08:03:05 PM »

you're blowing my mind
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1946 on: September 16, 2017, 10:47:55 PM »

It's spelled "racist"
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1947 on: September 17, 2017, 03:12:17 PM »

you're blowing my mind

Were you serious or sarcastic?

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Also voted in the church election today. Voted for "frimodig kyrka" (frank/outspoken church). Which basically is a non-political-party conservative party (that sounded weird phrasing). I really don't care about this election, as it really is a minor one (the real election and even the EU-election are more important). But the reason I care this year is because that the political parties (and perhaps also the media, and people in general) have made it into a such a big deal. And it feels like they're using the election, tactically, in order to win more "political ground" which just seem borderline immoral to me. And even though they care, they barely have anything to say what they want with the election. In the real election the parties make big headlines and promises like: "were going to create [big number] jobs!", "we'll take care of and improve the school, the the medic care, the care for older people!" and "we'll do x,y,z reforms which will help everyone/you in some way!". But in this election they just say wage things like the socialist party talking about some "peoples church" "for everyone". And the national-conservative party talking about "allowing conservative views" and "making the church as a place to value/preserve Swedish culture". And the liberal-conservative parties just seem to minor stuff like: building some new parks, and also want less political influence in the church. But it really seems so stupid this election. And it does encapsulate the times we live and the politics of today pretty much: That everything (political) and every election is like a big decisive battle between good and evil. Before it was just: you vote for a party and either your party wins, or it loses. And if it wins you might get happy if you made the right decision/they kept their promises. And if it loses you probably get more or less disappointed. But now it feel like everything is much more hysterical/hyped up. Like "Omg thanks god x party won" or "this party won, but didn't get enough votes to create a majority (has to cooperate with other parties). A sure tough challenge. Wishes them all the best!". Like before people didn't even care that much for politics, now it's this crazy battle.
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1948 on: September 18, 2017, 05:26:45 AM »

The fuck is a church election lmao
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Re: Politics
« Reply #1949 on: September 18, 2017, 01:06:25 PM »

The fuck is a church election lmao

You elect who'd govern the church (at local level, and at higher levels). As you can tell pretty weird and pointless.
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