The Post Your Thoughts of the Moment Thread 2

[mikey]

I'd like a source.

how about common knowledge

I think it was Nixon who decided to put it in?  Either way, I think spiting the USSR and communism as a whole is a great idea

[SlowPokemon]

Those 2 words aren't there to force religion on innocent kids.

You sure?

And no, it's not a matter of just choosing not to say it. The teachers basically force all kids to say the pledge. Which is creepy and bad no matter what they're saying.

More than anything, it just blatantly violates the agreement to separation of church and state and it's maddening to me how no one seems to care.

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

More than anything, it just blatantly violates the agreement to separation of church and state and it's maddening to me how no one seems to care.

I feel the exact same way, but no one seems to see it that way. So I've just stopped talking about it with people. I don't recite the pledge anymore, but I still stand and show respect.

[LeviR.star]

but I still stand and show respect.

Now that is something I like to see.

Also, EDIT: 2800 pages!

[mikey]

You sure?

And no, it's not a matter of just choosing not to say it. The teachers basically force all kids to say the pledge. Which is creepy and bad no matter what they're saying.

I actually agree with this- what I'd prefer is kids understanding the choice to recite the pledge and say it because they mean it, not because it's a pattern that they've been taught

[Trainer Ave]

^^^^^^^^
Completely agree. Half the people I graduated with don't have a clue what the pledge actually meant.

[Zunawe]

Why should that be changed? Does it matter a whole lot? The most recent lyrics are nearly 63 years old and I don't think anyone's planning on changing them. Back then, at the time it was written, the concentration of Christians in America was higher, so the worship of God was a norm for nearly everyone.

If you don't want to say the pledge, or if you want to be an atheist, that's completely fine. I'm just saying America isn't going to remove 2 words from its pledge for those who take them way too seriously. Those 2 words aren't there to force religion on innocent kids.

I don't think "It's too much effort" (and it most certainly isn't) is a good reason to keep it in. It's kids who recite the pledge, not full-grown adults who can make their own decisions. In my opinion, not only is it more ethical, but it's more powerful for a person to choose their own faith, if any. Why then should kids be expected (though not typically required) to add in a couple lines that reference a particular religion? Regardless of why it was put there in the first place.

I realized I was typing this up on a page I hadn't refreshed. Doesn't much change what I want to say though.

[SlowPokemon]

I actually agree with this- what I'd prefer is kids understanding the choice to recite the pledge and say it because they mean it, not because it's a pattern that they've been taught

Agreed.

[braix]

i pledge allegiance to the states of the united states of america;
and to the republic for which it stands;
one nation, with liberty and justice.

[SlowPokemon]

I choked on my coffee

[LeviR.star]

I choked on my coffee

It's recommended not to ingest coffee in solid form; try it as a liquid.

[mikey]

Strange as it sounds, some people literally inhale their coffee

[SlowPokemon]

It's recommended not to ingest coffee in solid form; try it as a liquid.

This did not really make sense because people are capable of choking on liquids

[LeviR.star]

This did not really make sense because people are capable of choking on liquids

'Twas a joke, my friend.

[blueflower999]

(post it slow, you know you want to)