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 1 
 on: February 21, 2018, 11:28:26 PM 
Started by Latios212 - Last post by Piano Psychopath
Mid https://www.dropbox.com/s/62l8rtemh8ucok7/Jalhalla_Appears.mid?dl=0
pdf https://www.dropbox.com/s/yp39ita08ei2zvo/Jalhalla_Appears.pdf?dl=0
Here is Jalhalla Appears, I haven't formatted it correctly, but what do you guys think? I feel that I'm using the wrong time signature

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 on: February 21, 2018, 09:47:42 PM 
Started by mikey - Last post by mikey
Vote count:
ThatHiddenCharacter- (Dudeman, blackdragonslayer, maestro, ) 3
BrainyLucario- (ThatHiddenCharacter, Olimar12345, mastersuperfan, ) 3
Dudeman- (FireArrow, bubbles, ) 2

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 on: February 21, 2018, 09:38:46 PM 
Started by mikey - Last post by BrainyLucario
Dudeman never said his reasoning was guts

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Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 9:22 PM
???
Isn't it wolfy to make a decision without presenting a reason?
Gerik - Last Sunday at 9:23 PM
Like I said, that is the reason
I was about to switch my vote to THC from raeko
just because I prefered THC lynch over davy
Pearl - Last Sunday at 9:23 PM
Sometimes guts come into play when you play TWG, you should know this
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 9:24 PM
Oh of course I know this Brainy
"Guts" would be the reason
Gerik - Last Sunday at 9:24 PM
So then you lied about your reason?
[close]

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 on: February 21, 2018, 09:32:22 PM 
Started by Zeta - Last post by Greg
Yeah, I thought that might be the case. I'll probably fix it at some point and do a resubmission as a solo arrangement, regardless. (Honestly almost all of my old arrangements are for two pianos because I didn't want to leave stuff out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

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 on: February 21, 2018, 09:12:32 PM 
Started by mikey - Last post by FireArrow
Fixing my bbc code, ignore that weird url.

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Gerik - Last Sunday at 6:17 PM
   I already said Im ok with lynching raeko instead of you, why do you feel the need to distance yourself from her rn?
   Are you already anticipating a red flip?
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 6:19 PM
   For her, yes; the thing is, in order to make that sort of partnership connection, there has to be, y'know, a partnership
   You're okay with a raeko lynch because it'll supposedly indicate my allegiance
   I don't see how if all I ever did was aim for davy instead of THC
   and raeko never said anything
   Just bugs me that my decision to swap apparently means I was defending raeko

As for MSF and brainy:

MSF - pointed out that maybe davy was seered. I see no reason for wolf to point this out unless raeko is indeed a wolf as well. I only see him as a potential partner for dudeman if raeko is also a wolf.
Brainy - Similar to THC, although a bit more sus imo. He's just such a low hanging fruit it makes me really nervous. From my expirience, these people almost never end up being wolves, and you can just lynch them later in the game really easily anyways since they're always on the top of everyones list.

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 on: February 21, 2018, 09:07:25 PM 
Started by mikey - Last post by FireArrow
My case against dudeman that everyone probably already knows:

Braniy, MSF, and Dudeman all switched their votes last minute to save davy. This is the post that was off.

I'm swapping my vote to davy for reasons I discussed in Discord. In short, a dead human davy who we can revive is more valuable than a dead human raeko who we can revive. Also davy's more of a question mark to me than THC.

He's not implying that there are other, more important reason for switching to davy. This implied that the revive is the straw that broke the camels back.  Note, that I posted rather quickly about why this reasoning was terrible, but none of the three people heeding me until the next phase when they had to defend their action.


note: phase ended 5:00 my time
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Gerik - Last Sunday at 5:19 PM
   I'm suspicous because your reason of him being a better revive target is bs and you know it lol

Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 5:19 PM
    All right fine, it's a crappy reason, but I wasn't lynching him so that he would be revived
    Reviving's just part of the lynching discussion
    I voted davy 'cause I was getting a wolf read from davy
   And raeko and davy were the top contenders for lynching
   and between the two, I'd rather learn davy

After the fact it took next to 0 effort for me to get him to admit that reasoning was faulty. If it was that fragile, why was it used to justify his post in the first place? Why wasn't he convinced changing his vote wasn't a good idea before the phase ended when I posted my actual reasoning, not "lol you know it's bs." Wanting to change your vote in a lynch because you think one lynch candidate is better than other is not a wolfy behavior by itself. Doing so while weakly justifying it in a way that doesn't directly involve you associating yourself with said player, extremely wolfy. Instead of providing us with his "real reason", which he provides in his defense shortly after, he feels the need to provide more "made up" reasoning because:

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Gerik - Last Sunday at 5:21 PM
    you pulled a reason out of your asss
    If you were human you would of just said "I prefer davy over raeko"
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 5:22 PM
    ???
    Isn't it wolfy to make a decision without presenting a reason?

So it would make you wolfy to post without a reason? Sounds like the way a wolf would think. Also, apperantly you weren't lacking in solid reasons to post anyways:

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Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 5:24 PM
    "Guts" would be the reason
Gerik - Last Sunday at 5:24 PM
    So then you lied about your reason?
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 5:24 PM
    I wasn't voting davy 'cause of "guts," it was because I didn't like his aggressive "it couldn't be activity" stance
   That was always why I sus'd him
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 5:25 PM
   Then THC posted some more, more discussion happened, raeko became a solid lynch candidate
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 5:25 PM
   The situation changed, discussion happened in here, it was clear THC wouldn't get lynched

He said it was guts, then said it wasn't guts. Then proceeded to post why he "actually" switched his vote. Why did he decided he needed to post that dumb thing about revives instead of this? My guess is this reasoning wasn't actually why he switched votes. It absolutely is continuous with his posts, but wolves don't make decisions based on who they think is sus. He needed to get davy lynched last minute and quickly threw in a reason, then ammended it after the fact by going back and putting it in line with his other thoughts.

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Gerik - Last Sunday at 5:25 PM
    Dudeman, the reason your posting now is not a bad reason
    It's the fact that you decided to post your whole revive thing instead
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 5:26 PM
    Well the revive was the topic at hand
    I wanted to throw in my two cents and thus sloppily merged my lynch discussion into the revive discussion

MSF was the origin of the weird reviving thing. Dudeman saw it, and in the heat of the moment quickly used it instead of the rather solid logic he built up over the course of the phase. Humans tend not to forget their reasons and generally love shoving their opinions into the situations. Wolves can easily forget what their suspicouns and reasonings are because, well, they were never real. He didn't want to take the time to consolidate his logic into switching his votes in the last 15 minutes of the thread, which too me sounds wolfy because humans almost always have their logic consolidated, and if they don't they love to let you know (I'm starting to feel wrong about my call out of E Gadd. because looking through the thread there's a huge amount "don't really know whats going on so not gonna vote/safety/whatever." "Gonna get my thoughts sorted out hear from me tomorrow.")

And then there was this:
For her, yes[/b]; the thing is, in order to make that sort of partnership connection, there has to be, y'know, a partnership
   You're okay with a raeko lynch because it'll supposedly indicate my allegiance
   I don't see how if all I ever did was aim for davy instead of THC
   and raeko never said anything
   Just bugs me that my decision to swap apparently means I was defending raeko]Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 6:14 PM
   One last thing @Gerik about the raeko/davy thing against me
   I don't see how pushing for davy makes me any closer to raeko, other than the fact that raeko happened to be the other highest lynch vote
   I never outright defended raeko
   Raeko was on my first sus list for the "way too early to be talking about this imo" post
   The one thing you're holding on to is my "reasoning" for switching to davy, but as said before, I didn't switch to davy for the revive thing
   Again, it was the discussion at hand here in Discord and it leaked into the forum post
Gerik - Last Sunday at 6:17 PM
   I already said Im ok with lynching raeko instead of you, why do you feel the need to distance yourself from her rn?
   Are you already anticipating a red flip?
Ducleman🐺🚫 - Last Sunday at 6:19 PM
  For her, yes; the thing is, in order to make that sort of partnership connection, there has to be, y'know, a partnership
   You're okay with a raeko lynch because it'll supposedly indicate my allegiance
   I don't see how if all I ever did was aim for davy instead of THC
   and raeko never said anything
   Just bugs me that my decision to swap apparently means I was defending raeko


So he randomly really wants to destroy any kind of partnership between him and raeko. Which I thought was really odd this early, especially because he has yet to mention any suspicoun of her whatsoever. If he was really human, and thought she was likely to be human, wouldn't he put his efforts into trying to say why THC (or whoever he thinks is a wolf) is more sus than raeko, not trying to distance himself from someone who from his perspective should probably flip green. Basically, his vote switch realllllly points to him thinking she's green. He then, in the part I bolded, says that he does think raeko will flip red. Let me put this in a seperate line because holy crap:

If you think someone is gonna flip as a wolf, that means you think they're a wolf. If you think they're a wolf, why the fuck did you save her from a lynch, and then proceed to distance yourself from her and still show no interest in actually lynching her.

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 on: February 21, 2018, 09:04:03 PM 
Started by mikey - Last post by mastersuperfan
Tbh after yesterday I'm kind of hesitant to put a vote on anyone anymore, but I'm going to follow through with my earlier post and vote for Brainy. I totally understand all the suspicion for THC but I kind of get the impression that he always just plays that badly? (not that I would know for sure though, I've only played a couple TWGs; it's more of just a gut feel really) If it came down to it I would be fine with letting a THC lynch play out today, but I think Brainy should be more of a priority. For everyone who's been calling THC out for seeming wolfy and not adding anything new to the conversation, I don't see why the exact same reason, coupled with his rather poor explanation for voting davy, shouldn't cause us to consider Brainy as an option today instead. The hasty triple post earlier also kinda seems like a hasty wolf defense that doesn't really do a good job justifying himself, especially the first post which doesn't really contribute anything at all:

I mean I can understand everything else but the log post? Seriously?

A huge thing too is that we get information about (a) raeko, since Brainy changed his vote last minute to davy, and (b) THC, since, as Brainy himself pointed out, THC jumped on him pretty suddenly after Olimar's vote even though he was only "low on his suspicion list." If we lynch Brainy and he flips human, then THC is an easy next lynch. If Brainy flips red then that should give us a reason to look more closely at raeko instead. THC's flip doesn't really tell us much about Dudeman/raeko.

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 on: February 21, 2018, 08:35:30 PM 
Started by mikey - Last post by Dudeman
Just posting to say that I won't have any time to post or be on Discord today until after the phase ends. I also have heavy suspicions on Brainy which have only been encouraged by his latest few posts, but I will keep my vote on THC.

 9 
 on: February 21, 2018, 08:35:09 PM 
Started by PlayfulPiano - Last post by PlayfulPiano

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 on: February 21, 2018, 08:32:18 PM 
Started by Zeta - Last post by Sebastian
Ah, ok. I'll edit it when I get back to my PC.

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