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#76
Site News / Re: I Got A Bit Carried Away
April 01, 2017, 01:15:53 AM
Wow, Zeta, I didn't know you were such a great arranger!
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#77
Original SoundTrack:
Thanks goes to Maelstorm and Zeila for some significant corrections.

I've decided to split Korok Forest into Day and Night, as explained in this post.
#78
Quote from: Maelstrom on March 31, 2017, 08:04:43 PMThere is no rule against including both versions in the same submission if you really want to, but if you think they're best split up, go ahead.
I think it's best split up, it's more practical. For example, if someone want to listen the night version with the midi, it would be a lot easier if there are 2 midi files.
Quote from: Latios212 on March 31, 2017, 08:14:02 PMPersonally I prefer it this way if the song is sufficiently long.

totally not because I only arranged the night version of Rito Village
It's 2 pages, I think it's sufficiently long.

I'll submit the night version right now then. By the way, this submission is now based on this OST instead.
#79
I noticed several things that could improve your score in various ways:
  • The piece is clearly in G major. It should have an F♯ in the key signature, even if doesn't contain that many F♯ (even if it didn't contain any F♯ at all).
  • m1-2:
    • Left hand: the A♭ can be at a lover octave. Moreover, I would actually play those notes as octaves, so it would sound a lot less empty.
    • Right hand: the notes to be played are right technically... They're not written in the correct way armonically, though. All the bass notes are harmonized with major triads. That means, harmonically, that the notes over the B should be B - D♯ - F♯, and the notes over the D should be D - F# - A. What you did is that you wrote the D♯ as E♭, and the F♯ as G♭. Now, I know that on the piano it's technically the same key, and I also know you used E♭ in the first harmony, but any decent composer would tell that what you wrote is just wrong: B - D♯ is a major third, while B - E♭ is a diminished fourth. They're the same keys on the piano, but they're 2 completely different things on a score. Now, I can't explain to you in detail how it works, but I highly suggest to correct like you can see in the following image, because it's actually also easier to sight-read (since sight-reading is highly based on knowledge of harmony).
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      Also notice the cautionary naturals on the F in the second bar. That also helps in making the score more readable. Anyway, considering you should also change the key signature, those naturals should become mandatory.
  • General comment on the ornamentation: I think it's pretty personal honestly. That little glissando effect in the original music can't be reproduced on the piano, so you can write it pretty much in any way and it wouldn't be "wrong". Someone could tell you, for example, that the various acciaccaturas should actually be tones, and not semitones. But that's just an imitation of an effect, so it's no big deal.
  • Considering that, I would change m6 to something like this (I also didn't agree with what you wrote in the left hand actually, so you should also change m10 accordingly):
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    This way, that bar is actually playable (it's unnecessarily hard the way you wrote it, the left hand takes the note the right hand is supposed to hold after just a sixtheenth), and the left hand doesn't lose anything (the D I removed is played by the right hand as you can see).
  • Now, from m11 onward, I don't agree with what you did at all. You basically started to give more importance to the bass. Doing that, you needed to lower the banjo part an octave, so it was playable. I probably understand why you did this: the banjo part is more difficult to hear since there are new instruments in that section that kinda cover its sound, while the bass is still pretty clear. The problem is that now the banjo part is in a very low register of the piano, so that part just doesn't sound right anyway. I suggest to just rewrite the whole left hand, using the same kind of accompaniment you wrote in the first part (in which you raised the bass an octave, although you probably didn't even realize). For example, I would start with something like this (I also included m10):
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    I'm not saying you should start like this, it's just an example, it's probably possible to do better than that.
  • One last thing, for the last bar: I feel that the tremolo of the xylophone (or whatever percussive instrument that is) is pretty important in the last bar, since it's the characteristic instrument of this second section, and you also put a tremolo in m14 after all. I understand that you probably wrote it like that so the right hand could take some notes in the left hand staff, but since you would probably need to change the left hand anyway, you should try to find a way that doesn't require to use the help of the right hand.
There are other harmony-related corrections to be done, but this are the most important currently.
#80
As I mentioned in this post, I decided to split the score in "Day" and "Night". So I've added those files in the list. I also did several pretty significant improvements to the "All-day" score, so if anyone downloaded the score that was there yesterday (and earlier today) I highly suggest to update the files.
I didn't have time to record the score yet, I'll probably record it tomorrow though. I'll just record the All-day score, since it includes the other two.
#81
Uploaded the new score with several changes, the ones listed in the post above, and some other things. Since the score couldn't stay in one page, I made sure to use as much space as possible in the two pages, unlocking the systems and giving a lot of space in general. Now the score has a completely different face.

I made corrections in the original full score, anyway, and I've also indicated "Day" and "Night" in that score. You can find the updated full score on my Personal Arrangement Thread.

I'll wait for some replies before submitting the Night version (which you can find in my Personal Arrangement Thread for now).
#82
Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMFor starters, this is pretty good and I'm looking forward to more stuff of this quality (also, welcome to NSM!) I noticed that your arranger name is different than your username. You can go to your profile and change your arranger name so it will show up as what's written on the sheet on site
Thanks ;) My arranger (and artistic) name is "Pianoth Eakòs Shaveck", which I thought to be a little too long for the main site, so I abbreviated to "Pianoth". Noticing there are even longer names, I changed it to the full name.

Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMPersonally, I think the pauses need to go, as well as the three repeated measures (e.g. m32-35). It just sounds very odd, and they don't exist in the actual game. To be honest, I'm more inclined as to submitting separate Day and Night versions, especially considering that several songs on the Sound Selection are split up and do not contain the extra instruments/ritardandos/accelerandos that exist in the latter two versions of Peaches Lamb's uploads (at least, I don't think so). They do, however, exist in game (around sunrise and sunset) and act as transitions. Even if this one is not specifically included in the Sound Selection, I think uniformity would be good. If you really want to keep it as one sheet, I suggest putting the transitions in between the actual Day and Night versions
Quote from: Latios212 on March 30, 2017, 08:44:31 PM^yeah this. (To the extent of my knowledge) there's no official full soundtrack at the moment, just the sound selection CD that does not contain the Korok forest tracks. Given that that CD separates other areas (Zora's Domain, Rito Village, etc.) into separate day and night tracks, and the fact that this video includes odd pauses, I'm inclined to say that this video was likely artificially stitched together to include all the relevant parts from the game. I suppose it's fine to include both day and night versions in one sheet if you wish, but if you do so, you should clearly demarcate the day, night and transition sections with the correct repeat structures. Right now it looks like a very long piece that has a definitive start and end - which it is not, as the "area" themes in this game loop.
I totally agree with you. I didn't initially planned to share this arrangement when I did it, that's why I did it like that. I think that the most appropriate thing to do for this site would be this:
  • Delete bars 32-143, put repetition bar lines from bar 2 to bar 32, and rename this submission "Korok Forest (Day)";
  • Copy in another file bars from 36 to 66, put repetition bar lines from the second to the last bar, and do another submission named "Korok Forest (Night)".
This way, all the transitions are lost (bars from 67 to 143 will be lost). That's not a really big deal though, since this is not an orchestral arrangement, it's not like there's really need of those transitions. Moreover, there are several different transitions, so I would need to choose one, losing the others anyway. This would imply a thing though: if someone does an arrangement for "Hateno Village", "Riding", "Zora's Domain", "Lurelin Village", "Gerudo Town", "Goron City", "Rito Village", and others I may have missed, he/she should also separate Day and Night, to be consistent.
Anyway, this full transcription won't be deleted completely, it will always be available in my Personal Arrangement Thread. The fact that it is a "piece that has a definitive start and end" makes it good to play, to some extent.

Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMSome other stuff:
- You should consider flipping the articulations in the second layer for spots like m20 (and maybe hide the staccato on the last eighth note). If not, then you should widen the margins a bit
I'll widen the margins a bit.

Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMI think you should split the composer info into two lines
Ok, I'll split it like this: "Composed by Manaka Kataoka, /n Yasuaki Iwata and Hajime Wakai"

Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMSome of the expression texts are quite large compared to the standard rit/accel's you put. It'd look better if you lowered the font size
I blame the process of conversion from Sibelius to Finale for that. I'll reduce the size of the font of all the expressions (even though, removing all the bars from 67 to 143, there wouldn't be any rit. or accel.).

Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMMaybe you can label the day and night sections as part of an expression so that it attaches to the measure
I'll just do 2 different submissions, as I've said. By the way, if you don't like the idea, just tell me exactly what you think I should do instead (for example put which transition where).

Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMSome notes sound like they last longer, and others sound shorter. For example, the last note in m4 (RH) doesn't sound like it's staccato'd, whereas in the night version, most of the chords on beat 3 sound like they only last a quarter note
Hmm... Listening again to the original music. Do you think the last note in m4 should be tenuto instead? I'll change it to that. Maybe you're right. The chords in the night version should be shorter indeed, you're definitely right on that.

Quote from: Zeila on March 30, 2017, 08:35:40 PMYou should show beat 3 instead of putting a dotted quarter note in places like m115. Err, unless there's some kind of exception I don't know about
That would apply to m9, m11, m13, m31, m44, m46, m48, m62 (in here I didn't use the dotted quarter note) and m66 (the bar after 67 don't count). I wrote it like that because I feel that the 4/4 in those bars is actually a 3/8 + 3/8 + 2/8. It would probably easier to read it, when written with the dotted quarter note. For example:

That's the same rhythm on both staffs, but the lower one is easier to understand, in my opinion. However, you're probably right, since Astor Piazzolla writes this kind of rhythm this way:

I'll change all the bars I've indicated.
#83
Off-Topic / Re: The Introduction Thread
March 30, 2017, 04:29:43 PM
I've done a Personal Arrangement Thread, as several of you suggested.

Quote from: Hero of Trains on March 30, 2017, 11:01:44 AMHello and welcome! You seem to be super on top of things, I look forward to hearing more from you!
Thanks :D

Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on March 30, 2017, 04:10:33 PMHello yello! Welcome to NSM! I'm E. Gadd. Hope you don't get scared away you enjoy your time here!
Thanks, I hope I will :D

Quote from: Dudeman on March 30, 2017, 04:17:23 PMYou know, I used to jump in and greet newcomers, but now all the younger guys do it immediately and en masse so I never feel the need.

But hi anyways, Pianoth.
I feel very honoured for this welcome then, thanks ;D
#84
Quote from: Latios212 on March 30, 2017, 04:01:21 PMHi, welcome to NSM! Whoa.. your name starts with "Piano"? :P
Thanks ;D It would be awesome, but no, unfortunately that's not my real name :-\ ;D That's the artistic name I gave to myself, though, so I would prefer to be called "Pianoth". :D

I would share some arrangements for Pokémon and Final Fantasy, but as I've said, I've done them in the past (2012ish). So they kinda need an update too ;D This is just an example anyway. You can see it was uploaded in 2012... And yeah, the notes are accurate, and it's possible to play it taking some notes with the left hand (assuming it's a big hand), but the layout is pretty bad.

Quote from: Olimar12345 on March 30, 2017, 04:03:43 PMWelcome to NinSheetMusic, Pianoth! I hope you enjoy your stay and I look forward to seeing your transcriptions!
Thanks :)
#85
Welcome to Pianoth's arrangements topic!

Hi, I'm Pianoth Eakòs Shaveck, and I'm an Italian pianist and composer. In this topic, I'll put all the arrangements I'll share on this site, along with my recording for all of them. I always play my arrangements, so it isn't really a problem for me to record them. I always try in my arrangements to be as close as possible to the original music, and I can do that thanks to my absolute pitch, but I also make sure that the arrangements are playable and readable, also considering that I play them. However, they tend to be pretty hard, because I simplify only when necessary (in other words, only if I can't play it, and I can play many things ;D).

Now, since I'm still new to this forum (I created this account on March 30), I can only show few scores for now. I'll record the scores once they get on the main site. I don't think I'll be much participative on the forum, unfortunately, since I'm always busy with more serious piano or composing stuff. But I will make sure to share some quality scores ;)

[NDS] – Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky
Vast Ice Mountain PeakOriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording
[NS] – The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
Korok Forest (All-day)OriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFNo recording planned
Korok Forest (Day)OriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording
Korok Forest (Night)OriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording
Main ThemeOriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording
Parasailing MinigameOriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording
Waterblight GanonPhase 1 Phase 2MIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording
Spirit Orb ObtainedOriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording
Spirit Orb Obtained (Duet)OriginalMIDIMUSMUSXPDFMy recording

Link to a folder containing all the files I've shared on this site.
#86
Ok, now it should be good to go, hopefully. If you notice anything, or you changed your mind about the pauses, or anything really, I'll see what I can do.

Sorry for the multiple posts, it wasn't the case to modify so I didn't really have a choice.
#87
Wait a second. I noticed a dynamic out of place. I'll correct and check for any possible other errors.
#88
I've updated the submission.
  • Improved the layout: it's still in 6 pages, but there's enough space between all the systems.
  • Corrected several articulations (the ones suggested by Maelstrom and others too), and deleted an extra note in bar 92.
  • Changed the last bar to an empty bar (just like in the original, basically).
I haven't introduced those strange rests mentioned earlier. If you really believe I should insert them, I will. I didn't because I can't be sure if they're authentic or not.

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 11:25:24 AMPersonally, I would find it weird to print out a sheet and have it be less dense on the 2nd to last page than the last page. Because, you know, it's the last page. Anyway, this shouldn't be a problem anymore with the new spacing
I've corrected the layout, I didn't need 7 pages after all. Now the last page has 5 systems.

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 11:25:24 AMWooops. Guess I should listen before I say stuff. It's up to you on this, I guess.
If it's up to me, I'll leave it like it is right now.

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 11:25:24 AMOk, remembered how to do it. Go to the dynamic menu, edit>enclosure shape>opaque>line width to 0> fit it around the dynamic. That should do it.
Thanks, although I realized how to do it before you told me.

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 11:25:24 AMNice, that's always useful.
Sometimes I feel that it's awesome when I use it. I listen to every instrument and I feel the need to write it.
#89
Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 06:56:19 AMThis is really good!
-I don't have a lot of time now, so here's a few things I noticed:
m1 and everywhere else that bassline appears - The 2nd eighth note should honestly be a staccato instead of a tenuto. If you were actually playing this in an orchestra with strings, I'd go with a tenuto, but a staccato makes more sense on a piano to give the quick feel it has in the original.
I also don't have much time now, so I'll try to answer briefly:
I'm a composer, I thought it orchestrally indeed, that's why I put a tenuto. But I guess that a staccato on a piano would make more sense.

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 06:56:19 AM-You could use a bit more space between systems - the rit. and accel. are close enough to the other bar an inexperienced player may not know which they belong to. Also, m32's mf is exactly halfway between the systems. It may be a good idea to give it a bit more breathing space.
-Any reason why there's only 5 systems on page 5?
I've tried to squeeze the score in 6 pages exact (I don't like when the last page has fewer systems), that's why it doesn't seem there's enough space between the systems in some cases. Page 5 has 5 systems because 6 systems would have been just too messy (and the last page would have had 5 systems anyway). I guess I'll just try to fit everything in 7 pages so there's a lot more space between all the systems.

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 06:56:19 AM-Despite the fact those random pauses sound wrong, as far as I can tell, they're in the original. The BoTW ost is just weird that way. Oh, and use this if the fade out is killing you for the ending.
The version you linked is even worse, since the music just stops without any fade out. It's musically obscene, in my opinion ;D And it wouldn't make sense on a piano either. So I'll stick to my version for that ending, unless you really feel like it should end suddently.
Now, the other pauses: the problem is that I don't think you would hear such pauses in the game. For instance, this video at 2:41:37 divides the soundtrack in Korok Forest (Day) and Korok Forest (Night), and there aren't any of those pauses. I could have done the transcription of these 2 versions instead, but the full soundtrack has that section with rit. and accel. that isn't in any of the 2 versions. In particular, bars 102-103 are not in any of the two versions. I don't know if that's really the case to even put those random pauses, but I guess I should put them since I've followed the full soundtrack... :o

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 06:56:19 AMNow, there's one fancy thing you can do in finale to fix your barline/expression collisions, but I can't remember the method at the moment. It involves editing a circle around the dynamic and making it opaque, borderless, and white. This makes it cover up the barline, thusly removing the collision. You could honestly use that.
I know it's possible to do that, in fact I did it on the original sibelius score. I just didn't know how to do it on Finale. I'll search for info.

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 30, 2017, 06:56:19 AMAnyway, you did a great job.
Thanks ;) That's not the first transcription I've ever did, though. It's just the first I'm publishing here, I have quite a bit of experience. I always make sure that my transcriptions are 100% playable and readable, so I can play them myself.
I did this transcription in about 4-5 hours, I think. I have absolute pitch, in case you're wondering.


Now, just a question: how do I update the files for the corrections? Do I just put them on some hosting and link them here, or what?
#90
Off-Topic / Re: The Introduction Thread
March 30, 2017, 05:30:20 AM
Quote from: LuxraySpiral on March 30, 2017, 04:54:13 AMWelcome! I'm LuxraySpiral (Call me Lux ^^)
You should consider setting up a Personal Arrangement Thread, so you can post all of your transcriptions. I can't wait to see them all!
Thanks Lux ;) I guess I'll set it up when I'm done with at least 3 or 4 submissions.