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Catching up now. Again, gonna try to go page-by-page.

MSF - raeko
TZP - BDS
Specs - Toby
THC - Nakah

This is certainly an interesting outcome if it's indeed the case. Elaborating on what you said about the THC/Nakah pair, assuming one of those people is a wolf, there has to be some level of intentional distancing going on (probably assuming that earlier pushes won't end up being as serious and might actually end up taking the heat off certain people).
1. Assuming the wolf pair is, say, Toby/THC, that would mean that THC would be aware that Toby's vote for Specs was not genuine and probably wouldn't have reacted as strongly (it didn't look good for THC, imo).
2. Assuming the wolf pair is, say, Specs/THC, I don't think THC would have been so careless as to directly reveal his ties to his wolf partner (though it's possible he was just trying to act from what he thought was a "human being surprised that his most human read has two votes already" angle and misjudged what other people thought of Specs).
3. Assuming the wolf pair is, say, Toby/Nakah, that means THC was a human defending human Specs, which seems like too much of a coincidence and makes that whole conclusion a bit of a stretch.

That being said, given Specs' vote on Nakah, piling on top of mine, I'm inclined to agree for the time being that THC/Nakah probably isn't a wolf/human pair. Which leads me to my next point.

Most human—If Toby and Specs are indeed partners I think that's Toby's early vote on him was probably an early game reaction test, an aggressive one I don't think a wolf would have thought of

It's interesting that you put Toby as most human. I don't think it's an aggressive play at all for a wolf to fake a push on their lover early in a phase, especially when they're part of the push and can easily pivot away from it at any time if it ends up gaining any actual steam. If anything, a "failed" push would be much more likely to pull actual heat off their lover, which, in turn, would make the wolf more likely to survive.

This train of thought is a bit strange to me and makes me think that TZP/Toby (or TZP/Specs) could be a possible pairing.

if raeko's paired with Nakah I'm not sure she would have suggested lynching THC to me

At this point in time I don't think Raeko/Nakah is a wolf pairing, though it's entirely possible one of them could be a wolf individually.

My initial vote was purely a reaction test I just wanted to vote for Specs as my partner to see both his reaction and others

I'm assuming this is confirmation of Specs/Toby as lovers.

Reading thc and Mario as town.

Not even gonna speculate who Mario is supposed to be

That was absolutely not my only reason, and I even specified that it was the less important reason. My main reason was because it was Toby's third post, and he only gave one reason that didn't even feel like a good reason to place a vote so quickly. I understand voting is important in a day-only game like this, but that doesn't mean we have to rush votes out in the first half of the phase. And I didn't like msf's vote because he had said only a couple posts before that he was slightly leaning town on Specs, then basically just jumped on Toby's vote with what basically amounted to a "YEET!". Now, I fully recognize that it could just be a reaction test, which is why it only brought msf to a neutral lean for me.

Re: Toby thing, personally, I don't think that makes much of a difference for me (overall, I'd rather votes get thrown out early rather than later, especially when those votes have a high chance of not being final votes), though I can kinda see why that might stand out to you. Other than that I'm not sure what you said changes my view of your reaction at all.

I would also just lime to bring attention to this, the bolded part in particular. I specified that he's my highest townread only by a small margin, but people keep referring to it like I was calling him the patron saint of townreads. I wouldn't hesitate to change my mind if I started seeing him act suspicious, I just feel he hasn't said anything suspicious yet.

My impressions were based on your reaction to the votes on Specs, which struck me as a bit disproportionately strong.

Because we are close friends, he usually tries to mess with me in werewolf games somehow or uses his PR powers on me >_> or sheeps me

Either that or he wasn't paying that much attention and just reacted to the first thing he saw within the first few posts, without realizing that I had already said the same thing

That's certainly an interesting bit of information and does make me hesitate for a bit. Though, I'm still planning on keeping my vote on Nakah until we hear more.

If we legitimately just mind melded and he did read my post then it's kinda weird that he would bring it up as if it was an original thought without acknowledging my post.

Regardless of why I would like to see more from him before I come to a conclusion. A single post is hard to make a read from

True, which is why I don't think you two would be wolves together—assuming he's a wolf, it seems more like Nakah trying either get a human lover lynched or possibly direct attention away from a human wolf lover (that is, a human paired with a wolf).

Raeko and Nakah...? Did you mean THC and Nakah?

No. Raeko and Nakah because they both expressed the same/similar opinion about you.

guess who has two thumbs and forgot to type [/url] after the second link in the post

[Nakah]

Nothing else to say about page 4's content so far, so a quick update of my reads:

ThatHiddenCharacter: neutral-leaning wolf
SpecsFlyer17: neutral
Nakah: leaning wolf
Raeko: neutral-leaning human
TheZeldaPianist275: neutral
mastersuperfan: leaning human
Toby: neutral-leaning human

THC's reaction to the Specs vote feels a bit weird based on his reasoning for opposing it, as if he's assuming that everyone else thinks Specs is human too. Could possibly be a lover reaction, but feels more like a wolfy reaction for the time being. If Specs isn't a wolf he could be the human lover of a wolf.

Based on their exchange at the end of page 3 I think TZP/MSF is a possible wolf pair though unlikely. Feels like this post by MSF was a setup for TZP to come in and make this post supporting release of lover info. I still believe that revealing the lover info too early would benefit the wolves more since it makes it more difficult for humans to judge reactions.

Between Raeko and Nakah I still think Raeko is the more human of the two, so I feel comfortable placing a vote for Nakah at the moment. I'm curious to hear more of Nakah's original reads.

Nakah coming in and sheeping my read is noted

How do you feel about Nakah sheeping your read in particular? Any suggestions as to why Nakah may have done that, from your perspective?

Why is Specs being voted? Specs is currently my highest townread (only by a small margin, though), and I don't see him having posted anything suspicious. If anything, I find raeko and Toby to be a bit suspicious. raeko's posts feel a bit like fluff, and Toby made a vote in only his third post, giving only one reason as to why. Out of those two, Toby definitely feels more sus to me, but I'm keeping my eye on both of them.

Out of curiosity, why is Specs your highest townread? It does feel a bit weird for you to be criticizing votes at this point of the game; in games like this we absolutely need to start early.

Well, it was you, BDS, and Specs, but since you jumped on the Specs vote right after claiming you have a slight townread on Specs, I'm no longer sure about you. All three of you were stimulating conversation by bringing up plans/ideas, none of which seemed particularly sus either. But now it's really just BDS and Specs for me (for now, I believe some people still haven't spoken).

Personally I think the Specs votes are fine. I'm not planning to vote for Specs at the moment but it's something I could potentially be convinced of down the line depending on how things play out. It doesn't exactly strike me positively that you're criticizing the Specs votes just because he's your highest townread, especially when others (including myself) have expressed differing opinions on Specs.



Re: TZP/MSF discussion at the end of page 3

I was against revealing lover pairs early in the phase because I think it gave the human team more to work with in terms of interpreting people's reactions but I'm not wholly against revealing the information later in the phase (though we're getting close to 24 hours left in the phase so we might be reaching that "later in the phase" point already.

[Specs]

Catching up now. Gonna go page by page for my posts.

Im going to place a vote on Specs

I think starting the game off with his first post being inside the mind of a wolf is a bit sus. Maybe his only perspective is a wolves perspective

Interesting point. I don't necessarily disagree with you there. My issue with his post was that his second sentence you quoted was basically just saying what I said except more clearly (which, again, isn't always a bad thing, just a bit sketch).

light sus on raeko and Nakah. not because they called me out in particular, but because their first posts each came across as somewhat vacuous and parrot-y to me. I would like to see some more concrete reasoning on why you agree with previous posts that we should wait to reveal instead of revealing now.

I do agree that it seems weird that Nakah and Raeko were seemingly mindmelding. It's possible they're lovers who discussed an MSF suspicion behind the scenes, or wolf partners who decided to push a contrarian thread.

Do any of you guys feel that MasterSuperFun's first post that broke the ice with that meta strategy was a bit quick to the punch? Should we find it suspicipus that he made it a point to declare things that way first with such enthusiasm? I wonder...

I don't, personally. It does feel a bit strange to me that you and Raeko seem to be pushing the same/similar point about MSF though.

MSF seemed to come on a little strong by posting right away the suggestion that everyone reveal their lovers. But it is possible they were just fishing for reactions and generating discussion, or thinking out loud to the thread. Not necessarily wolfy but just noting...

I don't think that's a bad thing in this sort of game. We don't have any information to go on yet and we have to lynch someone (I'm assuming No Lynch isn't an option?). If anything the discussion stemming from it has been our first major info of the game.

why a human lean on raeko but a neutral lean on Specs?

I got more genuine vibes from Raeko's first post compared to Specs'.

I think everyone has incentive to protect themselves and their lover just by nature of the game. You can't win if you don't survive. Even if you sus your lover, it's gonna be a tough one to lose the game for yourself for the benefit of your team

You can still win if you're dead as long as your team wins!

Personally if I genuinely believed my lover to be a wolf I don't think I'd hesitate to lynch them (highly depending on the circumstance though, and what other options are available), but at the same time I understand why others might be a lot more hesitant.

Human lean on MSF and Raeko so far. Neutral lean on Specs and THC so far. Personally, I like Specs' idea of waiting until the next day to reveal lovers (if we even do at all).

In contrast, I feel like humans might actually be inclined to lynch their own lover if they genuinely believe that lover could be a wolf.

Since it's a no-nights game, we're going to be relying a lot more on reading into dynamics like this.

on the other hand maybe it's possible that if we keep it secret wolves accidentally slip up and reveal they know too much about the pairings? hmm

Personally, I think there's merit to the plan of everyone revealing their lover, but at the same time accidental slip-ups of wolves trying to defend the human lovers of *both* wolves is likely going to be a big part of the game. If we put everything on the table there's less chance of catching such slip-ups.