TWG XCV: The Great Minnesota Get-Together
Wow! 9 (or 10 (or even 11 (I like to be optimistic (but not really)))) of us all went to the Minnesota State Fair together and we're ready to have a blast! Unbeknownst to the group of us, two members of the party are unbelievably selfish and want to hog all the [generic food item]-on-a-sticks to themselves. But we're not going to let that happen. Are we?
1. Hungry Werewolf- Each night phase, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player is killed. If that player was holding an Item, the Hungry Werewolf takes that Item. The Hungry Werewolf never receives an Item during distribution.
2. Fat Werewolf- As long as the Fat Werewolf is holding an Item, if the Fat Werewolf would die, instead becomes a Vanilla Werewolf and loses any Item held.
3. Foodie- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of an Item. The Foodie receives a PM with the name of the Player holding that Item.
4. Fitness Guru- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player loses any Item they were holding.
5. Control Freak- Once per game, at night, may send a PM to the host asking the host to redistribute the Items. The Items will be redistributed at the end of the Phase.
6. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
7. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
8. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
9. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
Players:•BrainyLucario
•ThatHiddenCharacter
•Trasdegi
•davy
•BlackDragonSlayer
•Olimar12345
•BlueFlower
•E. Gadd Industries
•Lkjhgfdsa_77
Items:To consume an Item, the Player holding that Item sends a PM to the host notifying them of their intent. Once consumed, Items are removed from the game and do not return.
Mocha-On-A-Stick: A Player may consume this Item to revive another Player at the end of the next Night Phase.
Deep-Fried-Baklava-On-A-Stick: This Item is always given to the Hungry Werewolf. Since nobody likes Baklava, this Item cannot be consumed by a Player and instead can be passed on to another Player as a night action. If that Player is holding an Item already, they swap Items.
Sweet Martha's Cookies: If a Player holding Sweet Martha's Cookies would die, instead the Item is consumed and that Player's Role is publicized.
Corn-Dog-On-A-Stick: A Player may consume this Item to have their vote count as 2 during the next Day Phase.
Night Action Order:Control Freak
Hungry Werewolf
Item Actions (Including consumption)
Foodie
Fitness Guru
The game begins on a Day Phase, as does the MN State Fair. This Day Phase will be 72 hours long to ensure everyone is active. Cardflips are OFF. There will be a STORY.
It is currently Night 1. Night 1 ends on September 16, at 12:00 AM CST, regardless of when the actual phase update comes. Role PMs
Hello, PLAYERNAME;
You are the Hungry Werewolf- Each night phase, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player is killed. If that player was holding an Item, the Hungry Werewolf takes that Item. The Hungry Werewolf never receives an Item during distribution. Your partner is PLAYERNAME, the Fat Werewolf.
You have been given [ITEM-description]./You were not given an item. (This line is present in every role PM.)
Hello, PLAYERNAME;
You are the Fat Werewolf- As long as the Fat Werewolf is holding an Item, if the Fat Werewolf would die, instead becomes a Vanilla Werewolf and loses any Item held. Your partner is PLAYERNAME, the Hungry Werewolf.
Hello, PLAYERNAME;
You are the Foodie- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of an Item. The Foodie receives a PM with the name of the Player holding that Item.
Hello, PLAYERNAME;
You are the Fitness Guru- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player loses any Item they were holding.
Hello, PLAYERNAME;
You are the Control Freak- Once per game, at night, may send a PM to the host asking the host to redistribute the Items. The Items will be redistributed at the end of the Phase.
Hello, PLAYERNAME;
You are the Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
Role PMs have been distributed. Items have been randomized.
IF YOU SEE ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY WITH YOUR ROLE PM, MESSAGE ME PRIVATELY.
Message me privately once you have received your role PM so I know you've gotten it.
https://discord.gg/AufPVwY
The Game has now started. It is Day 1. Day 1 ends in 72 hours on September 14 at 9:00 PM CST, regardless of when the actual phase update arrives.
GAME START!!!
Hello, fellow Fairgoers! It's a lovely day to eat and hunt. Maybe we can eat what we hunt! Or hunt what we eat? Whatever, let's have a wonderful Fair!
THC POST END!!!
I hate to be a fair-weather friend, but this is a fairly quiet start to the game, no? But wouldn't you say that this post I am posting right now is a fair solution?
Also, hi. This is me posting to say that I am the E. Gadd Industries. And I'll be active. Just... it's night. I need sleep. G'night!
I'm kind of sick right now and also kind of out of it, so I'll wait to post something more substantial until I'm feeling a little better. I know from past games that TWG'ing while deliriously sick isn't the best idea. :P
I apologize, guys, I had a pre-story written out and it was great and everything. Unfortunately, I was playing league of legends and I accidentally closed the tab. It was GREAT, I swear. I'll get some more story out later.
It's been a long time but I think I'm ready for this. Should be a fun time. :D
Okay first things first kill Noc asap
Mashi is always the wolf
I didn't even know what the minessota state fair was, I just googled it and now I understand the story xD
Oh, and hello.
Oh Golly gosh I love the fair. Especially the Ferris wheel. I could ride it all day! Please don't make me go in the Ring of Fire though,
this is what happens when i dont check the forums enoughHello, I'm alive and playing in this round. Time to read the entire Wikipedia page on the fair.
Edit -
Quote from: WikipediaIn 2007, one new food was spaghetti on a stick.
how does this work
Ferris Wheels are tall and scary. I'd rather go play games of skill! Or visit the food stops, which is what I tend to do at Fairs. I'm very hungry. I'll meet y'all at the snack shack!
Inb4 Noc's a wolf
I'd also like to nominate myself as Prince Kay of the Milky Way. You may now start carving statues of butter in my honor
I ate all the butter...
I might have a heart attack...
Someone get me some Brussels sprouts... please...
Tbh how are we supposed to lynch someone if no one was wolfed Night 1?
Like are we just going to post nonsense until someone inadvertently says something mildly suspicious and then everyone piles on top of them?
I suggest that one of the blues (preferably one that isn't holding an item) claims. While an alliance would not be super strong in this game,
since the blues do not have the best of powers, forcing the wolves to claim human with no item to the alliance reduces the pool of potential wolves by a lot.
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 12, 2017, 01:05:43 PMTbh how are we supposed to lynch someone if no one was wolfed Night 1?
Like are we just going to post nonsense until someone inadvertently says something mildly suspicious and then everyone piles on top of them?
Yeah, pretty much.
Blueflower@Davy
I thought only one of the wolves didn't get an item? I'm which case, that would be pretty easy to just fakeclaim any item without too much suspicion.
U wot
Jumping the gun already? Why?
Also, I'm fine with going on any ride so long as it won't aggravate my motion sickness! (But can I please go visit the arcade first? I love staring at rows of arches!)
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 01:56:44 PMU wot
Jumping the gun already? Why?
That's a thing people do in day start games. Speaking of,
E. Gadd...
Doubting/needlessly questioning a TWG veteran (with a couple day start games played as well), followed up by making a random, irrelevant post? Not looking too good for you. This, at least, is a somewhat more serious vote than the last.
And, Noc, clarification? Is each type of item only given out once, and that's it, or could there be multiple of the same type of item going around at once?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:01:09 PMThat's a thing people do in day start games. Speaking of, E. Gadd...
Doubting/needlessly questioning a TWG veteran (with a couple day start games played as well), followed up by making a random, irrelevant post? Not looking too good for you. This, at least, is a somewhat more serious vote than the last.
Stop, right now. You know how E. Gadd plays and should consider from last game how Everyone assumed E. Gadd was a wolf when in reality everyone was just clinging to one post and lack of defense to said post. And for goodness sake we've all been randomly posting stuff, way to single someone out when everyone was doing it.
There are a few things I think I need to clarify for ease of gameplay. The hungry werewolf cannot be given an item only because he always has the hungry baklava. It means I did not factor him when randomizing items.
Additionally, the hungry werewolf's kill ability is the team kill. The hungry werewolf dying does not exclude the fat werewolf from making night kills. The item steal does belong solely to the hungry werewolf. If the hungry werewolf is dead, items simply cease to exist upon their holder's death.
Finally, the four items are gone for good once expended. No power on earth will bring them back. There are not duplicates of items, nor can a situation arise where this may be the case.
@Brainy I Can handle this, but thanks
@BDS so what qualifies you to be a veteran, first of all? And secondly, why should I be inclined to follow your instincts? Just because you may be a veteran doesn't mean you're instantly human.
Also,
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:01:09 PMThat's a thing people do in day start games
followed up by making a random, irrelevant post?
1. But at the VERY beginning with little/no base behind the vote?
2. Yeahhhh I had intentions on going along with the flavour text posting (or whatever that's called), until I saw your post. Then, I forgot about my original intentions because your post (coming from a veteran or not) struck me as mightily suspicious.
Also Claiming Control Freak
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 02:06:46 PMStop, right now. You know how E. Gadd plays and should consider from last game how Everyone assumed E. Gadd was a wolf when in reality everyone was just clinging to one post and lack of defense to said post. And for goodness sake we've all been randomly posting stuff, way to single someone out when everyone was doing it.
Firstly, it was the
way E. Gadd went about making his posts, not simply that he did it.
Secondly, I'm not sure why you're criticizing me for doing
exactly what people are supposed to be doing in day start games when you/E. Gadd don't even know what you're supposed to do in day start games. That just seems silly!
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 02:11:24 PM@BDS so what qualifies you to be a veteran, first of all? And secondly, why should I be inclined to follow your instincts? Just because you may be a veteran doesn't mean you're instantly human.
1: I've been playing for a number of years, way, way longer than you have.
2: Because, like I said, this is a thing people do in day start games. It's not "instincts," it's just standard behavior.
3: I'm not expecting you, or anyone else for that matter, to think I'm human just from my vote. That's one of the differences of day start games: you don't have anything else to go on.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 02:11:24 PM1. But at the VERY beginning with little/no base behind the vote?
2. Yeahhhh I had intentions on going along with the flavour text posting (or whatever that's called), until I saw your post. Then, I forgot about my original intentions because your post (coming from a veteran or not) struck me as mightily suspicious.
1. Yes, but even then, my post wouldn't be considered the "VERY beginning" by any means (there are some people who vote right off the bat, like in their first post on the first page). There's only so long in the phase, and if we wait too long, we'll be scrambling for
something (or should I say "anything"), which, as I'm sure you know, usually leads to a bad lynch.
2. I don't know what to say about that/not sure how it's relevant?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:41:43 PMFirstly, it was the way E. Gadd went about making his posts, not simply that he did it.
Sure, everyone always goes for the
way I go about making my posts.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:41:43 PMSecondly, I'm not sure why you're criticizing me for doing exactly what people are supposed to be doing in day start games when you/E. Gadd don't even know what you're supposed to do in day start games. That just seems silly!
You seem to be getting very defensive over this.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:41:43 PM1: I've been playing for a number of years, way, way longer than you have.
I can respect that.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:41:43 PM2: Because, like I said, this is a thing people do in day start games. It's not "instincts," it's just standard behavior.
So if it isn't instinct, what's it based upon, hm? The
way I make my posts?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:41:43 PM3: I'm not expecting you, or anyone else for that matter, to think I'm human just from my vote. That's one of the differences of day start games: you don't have anything else to go on.
Well that seems to be exactly what you're implying with your statement:
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:01:09 PMDoubting/needlessly questioning a TWG veteran
Why would I need to doubt you if I knew you were a human? But I don't know that, so I don't trust you (parallel with my views for everyone) and I'm going to question you for your votes. At least
some sort of explanation/defence would be better than "Okay, fine, I'll vote you instead."
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:41:43 PM1. Yes, but even then, my post wouldn't be considered the "VERY beginning" by any means (there are some people who vote right off the bat, like in their first post on the first page). There's only so long in the phase, and if we wait too long, we'll be scrambling for something (or should I say "anything"), which, as I'm sure you know, usually leads to a bad lynch.
We have 72 hours. Other than the flavour text posts, there isn't much that contributes to the game, so in terms of posts, yours was near the "VERY beginning", because there's nothing else to focus on besides a bunch of "Fun at the fair" and "Hi guys, I'm here" and questions for Noc. Granted, Blueflower did suggest someone Blue (ha) should claim, but even so,
a) that doesn't require a blue person to claim (although Brainy did?)
b) This could be from them not having played in a while. It's all speculation, there are no concretes. So to say that there is still this early would be folly.
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Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:41:43 PM2. I don't know what to say about that/not sure how it's relevant?
Then don't. I was just justifying my actions, something I apparently didn't do enough of last game, causing people to develop suspicions for me.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:05:44 PMSure, everyone always goes for the way I go about making my posts.
That's not much of an argument.
QuoteYou seem to be getting very defensive over this.
Am I? I would say my response pretty expected or justified, especially when people seem to be blatantly ignoring certain facts.
QuoteSo if it isn't instinct, what's it based upon, hm? The way I make my posts?
I think you missed my point there. I'd explain it more, but it'd just end up being the exact same thing I already posted. Stuff like that is perfectly normal in day start games, and you reacting so defensively, instead of taking it in stride (it being what you would call an uninformed vote at the "VERY beginning"), doesn't reflect well on you either.
QuoteWell that seems to be exactly what you're implying with your statement:
You're misunderstanding that. What you/Brainy are doing is doubting that "early" or seemingly random votes are a perfectly normal in a day start game, hence the part of my post about you two being uninformed about how day start games usually go. That has nothing to do with whether or not anybody thinks I'm human.
That would be me acting as if this is going to be the final lynch of the day, instead of there being dissenting opinions (from other people not the person voted for), new information coming to light (based on responses, votes, and other actions), etc.
QuoteWe have 72 hours. Other than the flavour text posts, there isn't much that contributes to the game, so in terms of posts, yours was near the "VERY beginning", because there's nothing else to focus on besides a bunch of "Fun at the fair" and "Hi guys, I'm here" and questions for Noc.
And, apparently, that's how you expect the entire phase to go? All 72 hours of it? What, then, is wrong to do something to kickstart the lynch, especially because
that's what anybody else accustomed to a day start game would do?
I'm safety voting on me for the moment
BrainyLucario
BDS, you're making this way more complicated than it needs to be
Okay then, so if you're so confident in your abilities, explain to me WHY you first voted on Blueflower. Then we'll go from there
I'm very confused right now and have no basis to vote from. I would like to hear your explanation, BlackDragonSlayer. That might help me become less confused.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:18:32 PMI'm safety voting on me for the moment
BrainyLucario
BDS, you're making this way more complicated than it needs to be
I think you two are the only ones doing that.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:18:39 PMOkay then, so if you're so confident in your abilities, explain to me WHY you first voted on Blueflower. Then we'll go from there
That was a joke, and I thought that would be pretty clear given the context (Blue pretty much being "What are we supposed to be, randomly vote for someone?" then me randomly voting for him). However, when something else slightly more substantial (and NOT a joke) came along shortly after, I figured it would only be logical to go after it! :P
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 12, 2017, 03:20:58 PMI'm very confused right now and have no basis to vote from. I would like to hear your explanation, BlackDragonSlayer. That might help me become less confused.
Explain what? I think I've explained enough already.
Then why the heck did you bold it, making it an official vote???
And not come out and say that it was a joke? If at least in small font nearby
You know that someone would've taken it too seriously
Like you are with E. Gadd's post
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:24:47 PMThen why the heck did you bold it, making it an official vote???
1: Because if I didn't, then that wouldn't be funny at all? If the joke is that I voted for blueflower, then what's the point if I didn't actually vote for blueflower? And now I had to explain the joke to death, and now it's not as funny. Thanks, guys.
2: Because one vote, at this stage of the game, is completely harmless, something that seems to be flying completely over your head.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:26:35 PMAnd not come out and say that it was a joke? If at least in small font nearby
You know that someone would've taken it too seriously
3: Because that would ruin the point of the joke?
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:27:55 PMLike you are with E. Gadd's post
Thank you for having absolutely no context for this post. :P I think this game is going pretty well so far, actually; looks like we're going to have an active first day. Hope some other people will come back in and give their thoughts/make some votes of their own.
That makes sense, actually, as to why you didn't explain it.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 03:30:46 PMThanks, guys.
You're welcome :D
Well foo. I thought something could be done about this, but I guess not. >:/ that's the thing about TWG, I look to find lynch candidates with substantial evidence that points to their guilt. But it's tough right about now. And it sucks for people like me who want to have definitive votes on people who seem to be guilty entirely (or contribute nothing to the game in any capacity)
With all that said, I have some homework to do. Hopefully I'll be back on tonight. If not, I'll respond in ze morning (although if I'm not on here I'll probz be on Discord at some later point)
BDS, I honestly think you should leave reading E. Gadd to me. You don't know Him as well as I do
OOOOOOOOKAY, THAT'S IT
PM LOG INCOMING BETWEEN ME AND BRAINYLUCARIO
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 02:12:28 PMAlso Claiming Control Freak
Did, like, everyone skip over this post lol.
BlackDragonSlayer to me looks like he's needlessly stirring up conflict. While I appreciate it as it gives this first day some substance, is it something that a human would do? Probably not.
E. Gadd you can't do that also other blue roles please claim to me so we can form an alliance
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:56:23 PME. Gadd you can't do that also other blue roles please claim to me so we can form an alliance
Wait is posting PM logs not allowed anymore? ???
Actually I can. I asked Noc and he said I could post any PMs so long as they were not from him
Cool. Post away
Just blues claim to me!!
I think than other blue roles should wait a little to see if there's a counterclaim first. Brainy seems very insistant on this thing and nobody would like all special roles to claim to a wolf.
The reason for the delay is that we are still mid-conversation, and I don't want to have three different posts going with the same conversation
I'm just more confused than before. Well, I'm not really sure what to do here. I don't have suspicions on anyone, but I feel inclined to vote for someone. To be honest, I don't think BDS is a wolf, but I also don't think E. Gadd is either. So far, the only ones who seem to possibly be wolf are Brainy and Blueflower. Even then, there isn't much to go off of. My "reasoning" for suspecting Brainy is he hasn't said much except to back up E. Gadd for no reason. My "reasoning" for Blueflower is he (she? not sure.) pretty much only posted (except for the post that popped up while I was typing this one) to suggest claims. The only reason I find this suspicious (if I even do) is because I've heard that claiming is sometimes a good wolf tactic, and he (she?) might have been planning to claim later after a bunch of randomness so that people would forget he (she?) mentioned claiming in the first place. That doesn't really make sense, but right now, I don't think anything does.
Quote from: Trasdegi on September 12, 2017, 03:59:46 PMI think than other blue roles should wait a little to see if there's a counterclaim first. Brainy seems very insistant on this thing and nobody would like all special roles to claim to a wolf.
No claim to me! I'm not pulling your leg!
Actually...?
Signs are pointing to the fact that you are.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:10:59 PMWanna form an alliance?
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:12:10 PM...but...? You don't just...?
Okay, THATS suspicious. You're the one that claimed, no? Aren't YOU the one supposed to be waiting for people to claim to you?
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:16:34 PMYeah, but I'm playing risky this game. Gotta try and dice it up a bit. I'm not the same Necromancer that ran away from our DnD battle on a golem like a little girl.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:20:40 PMNext time click "Reply to All".
...no, I'm not making an alliance with you. Risky or not, you could be shooting yourself (and quite possibly the game) in the foot in proposing this
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:21:53 PMFine then, be that way. When you get the Greek food on a stick don't come crying to me
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:27:56 PMYou can't do anything about Baklava unless you're the one that's holding it first AND IF YOURE THE WOLF (unless I'm misreading something and humans can pass it along too)
(1)
*Note, this was after rereading the items section* *Also worth noting, from this point, the conversation is staggered since I sent two messages. I'll designate the path of conversation with (1) and (2), with (1) referring the PM immediately above this note, and (2) referring to the one immediately below it.*
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:28:59 PMOh, so humans can pass it on? Odd. But anyhoo, why would I come crying to you if I got the Baklava?
(2)
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:28:42 PMIf I'm the control freak I though I could. Did I misread it?
(1)
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:29:42 PMThat's a random redistribution of all the items
(1)
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:29:44 PMBecause I could get rid of it for you? Why else?
(2)
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:30:19 PMYou can only use your power once a game. Meaning one time only.
(2)
*Note: From here, things unite again*
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:31:05 PMHeh, you can tell my bluff can't you?
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:36:55 PMHuh?
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:37:40 PMI'm not really the Control Freak I'm a wolf
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:39:33 PM... dang, for what, the third time?
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:50:01 PMNo, I'm not really a wolf I just have the cookie and want you to put it out of play. This'll prevent a mislynch for the day phase. I should have just told you that
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:55:46 PMUh, yeah, you should have. But even so, why do you want it out so early? It could be used for later on when (inevitably) we do have a verified mislynch.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:57:23 PMActually I am the foodie and need to know what Item you have so I don't waste a use on you
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 03:59:23 PMI'm not telling you what I have! You strike me as extremely wolfish right about now.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 04:00:40 PMJust kidding I am the other blue role that I forgot what it was called so this lie isn't going anywhere
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 04:02:05 PMThat you... forgot...? How does one forget that the other role is the Health Freak?
Oops, just realised I never sent that last PM to Noc RIP
More PMs
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 04:03:24 PMYes the health freak! That is what I am! Jk I'm a vanilla human
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 04:05:08 PMThanks for covering my forgetfulness to click "Reply to All" X'D
DUDE, YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOUR CASE
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 12, 2017, 04:01:49 PMMy "reasoning" for Blueflower is he (she? not sure.) pretty much only posted (except for the post that popped up while I was typing this one) to suggest claims.
Wasn't that Davy than suggested claims first?
Quote from: Trasdegi on September 12, 2017, 04:10:16 PMWasn't that Davy than suggested claims first?
Well, my memory sucks. I should've looked back...
Anyway, signs seem to be pointing to
BrainyLucario now.
Oop, that was partially my fault, I didn't look over the posts when responding to BDS, so I assumed that Blueflower mentioned that, having read it at an earlier point but forgetting it was davy that said it and not Blueflower. Sorry about that!
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 04:15:44 PMOop, that was partially my fault, I didn't look over the posts when responding to BDS, so I assumed that Blueflower mentioned that, having read it at an earlier point but forgetting it was davy that said it and not Blueflower. Sorry about that!
What are you talking about? I'm the one that thought Blueflower said it. I didn't see you say anything about it.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 04:15:44 PMOop, that was partially my fault, I didn't look over the posts when responding to BDS, so I assumed that Blueflower mentioned that, having read it at an earlier point but forgetting it was davy that said it and not Blueflower. Sorry about that!
Jeez I need to think before I post, but to add on, since I was interpreting BDS's vote as legitimate, my mind I guess instantly connected the two, else the vote wouldn't've made sense. Which is what started that whole thing in the first place. X'D OOPS, SORRY @BDS
I guess we both developed these wrongful attributions independently? Maybe after reading my stuff you subconsciously remember?
Ugh.
I seriously need to get to my psychology homework (despite the fact this could very well be my psych homework XD)
Wait a minute, we're allowed to have private conversations about the game with other (living) players?
BLUES CLAIM WHILE YOU CAN! I've already received one claim! The last blue needs to claim asap
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 12, 2017, 03:51:39 PMDid, like, everyone skip over this post lol.
Quote from: Trasdegi on September 12, 2017, 03:59:46 PMI think than other blue roles should wait a little to see if there's a counterclaim first. Brainy seems very insistant on this thing and nobody would like all special roles to claim to a wolf.
QuoteBlackDragonSlayer to me looks like he's needlessly stirring up conflict. While I appreciate it as it gives this first day some substance, is it something that a human would do? Probably not.
did you jus like
miss the part
where i said this is totally typical for day start games
because it seems like you did
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 04:27:57 PMBLUES CLAIM WHILE YOU CAN! I've already received one claim! The last blue needs to claim asap
dude
you just said you weren't a special
you're wack, man
I never said I was human? The only reason I did that was to throw E. GADD off, since I knew he'd probably post the log
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 05:23:10 PMI never said I was human? The only reason I did that was to throw E. GADD off, since I knew he'd probably post the log
If you were trying to throw him off...
Quote from: E. Gadd's PMs with BrainyI'm not really the Control Freak I'm a wolf
...
No, I'm not really a wolf I just have the cookie and want you to put it out of play.
...
Actually I am the foodie (not completely contradictory with the previous one but eh)
...
Just kidding I am the other blue role
... then why change your story multiple times?
Brainy is either a wolf or doing a poor imitation of my horrible human behavior from last game.
Okay guys, calm down.
Couple of things:
1. Nobody vote. We don't want an insta while we are still forming an alliance.
2. Nobody claim to Brainy. If he is a wolf, we don't want players claiming to him.
3. Everybody confirm that you are not the control freak. Please be honest about this. If you are the real control freak, come out and say so. If everyone confirms that they are not the control freak, we know that Brainy is.
Also: I am not the control freak.
I am not the control freak.
I'm not the control freak.
Quote from: davy on September 12, 2017, 05:48:02 PM3. Everybody confirm that you are not the control freak. Please be honest about this. If you are the real control freak, come out and say so. If everyone confirms that they are not the control freak, we know that Brainy is.
I understand how this will work, but to me it seems a bit suspicious -
1. If everyone complies, it confirms Control Freak, an influential special role
2. Because everyone knows (including wolves), the wolves could kill the Control Freak claim and effectively secure item positions for the rest of the game (fine, except baklava)
Yes, I know "be honest," but someone could lie about / could have already lied about their role for this very reason. So - are we willing to effectively publicize this role?
Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on September 12, 2017, 06:17:00 PMI understand how this will work, but to me it seems a bit suspicious -
1. If everyone complies, it confirms Control Freak, an influential special role
2. Because everyone knows (including wolves), the wolves could kill the Control Freak claim and effectively secure item positions for the rest of the game (fine, except baklava)
Yes, I know "be honest," but someone could lie about / could have already lied about their role for this very reason. So - are we willing to effectively publicize this role?
Yes, that is the idea of public claiming. We will lose the Control Freak, but the other two blues will learn eachother's identeties, learn what players have what items, and force the wolves to either counterclaim or claim vanilla, meaning that the pool of potential wolves becomes much smaller.
Not the control freak.
Not the control freak
But also...
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 03:56:23 PME. Gadd you can't do that also other blue roles please claim to me so we can form an alliance
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 05:23:10 PMI never said I was human? The only reason I did that was to throw E. GADD off, since I knew he'd probably post the log
???
Ugh that was the shittiest, cringiest read ever. Thoughts:
First of all, I agree with you, davy: everyone remove your shit votes, we have two more days before the phase ends so you all have plenty of time. To give you all an idea of where we are, the current vote count is this:
Egadd - 1 (BDS)
Brainy 3 (brainy, egadd, THC)
BDS - 1 (Blue)
I am not the control freak.
This should be obvious, but again:
Quote from: davy on September 12, 2017, 05:48:02 PM2. Nobody claim to Brainy. If he is a wolf, we don't want players claiming to him.
Below are my quick suspicions b/c I don't have too much time rn:
Egadd - Pointlessly dragging out that convo on pages 2-3 with BDS was pointless banter, like he was just stirring up shit just to stir shit. Suspicious.
noticeable quotes
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 02:11:24 PM@BDS so what qualifies you to be a veteran, first of all? And secondly, why should I be inclined to follow your instincts? Just because you may be a veteran doesn't mean you're instantly human.
Also,1. But at the VERY beginning with little/no base behind the vote?
ex. of pointlessness.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:01:09 PMThat's a thing people do in day start games. Speaking of, E. Gadd...
Doubting/needlessly questioning a TWG veteran (with a couple day start games played as well), followed up by making a random, irrelevant post? Not looking too good for you. This, at least, is a somewhat more serious vote than the last.
nail on the head (and a good tl;dr)
Brainy - Just what the fuck man. If you're going to try to play like noc, think it though first. obviously suspicious. Also, you defending Egadd so strongly with no counter argument doesn't look good. If you are a human then you should be questioning everyone's humanity, not blindly defending it because of residual feelings from a completely different game.
Blue - Suspecting BDS for looking like he's the one pointlessly dragging things on when the issue was egadd makes me suspect him of trying to force something that isn't there. (maybe a possible bad play, wolf partner with egadd lol).
Spoiler
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 12, 2017, 03:51:39 PMDid, like, everyone skip over this post lol.
BlackDragonSlayer to me looks like he's needlessly stirring up conflict. While I appreciate it as it gives this first day some substance, is it something that a human would do? Probably not.
BDS - Reading his posts convinces me of his humanity. He looks sane and is playing logically. Not very suspicious rn.
davy - indifferent rn.
THC - BDS vote is fine to press for more info, but was it really confusing?
Trasdegi, Lkjhgfdsa_77 - No leans/suspicions yet. Post more substantial stuff pls I guess (or maybe I missed something).
Nullify vote for now
Like I said, it was all a big misunderstanding; I misinterpreted BDS's joke as seriousness, and that's the spawn of all that. I figured if I could get a definitive explanation out of him, that would ease my mind a bit, but he never gave one in the interests of keeping the joke funny (which didn't happen), so I kept on dragging it on in hopes that persistence would pay off. And it dos (I guess?)
*did
I'm honestly not lying to you guys. No one's claimed yet, so the chances someone besides me will is extremely slim. Why don't you just believe me.
And what's wrong with stirring up a little trouble anyway, heheh.
Plus one of the other blues has already claimed to me, so we do have an alliance set up atm. They won't tell me which one they are though, so may just be a wolf
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 12, 2017, 07:33:52 PMAnd what's wrong with stirring up a little trouble anyway, heheh.
Because it is in the interests of all humans to not cause confusion so as to not wrongly confuse other humans, leading them to mislynch, helping the wolves
Sure, I guess I'll nullify my vote for now.
I think in the first one he's referring to counterclaims against himself
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 07:32:27 PMLike I said, it was all a big misunderstanding; I misinterpreted BDS's joke as seriousness, and that's the spawn of all that. I figured if I could get a definitive explanation out of him, that would ease my mind a bit, but he never gave one in the interests of keeping the joke funny (which didn't happen), so I kept on dragging it on in hopes that persistence would pay off. And it dos (I guess?)
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:01:09 PMThis, at least, is a somewhat more serious vote than the last.
learn2read
Brainy would be a safe day 1 lynch imo (given the circumstances), with egadd being a close second.
Should anyone who was planning on voting for Brainy, vote for Brainy now, then? I mean, I highly doubt my mind will be changed before the end of the day phase, but everyone's saying don't vote yet.
Wait until everybody has claimed "not control freak," because that's a pretty important step.
Not control freak. Now we need Lkjhgfdsa to claim, and then we can make the alliance. If it's proven than brainy is the control freak, then he really played too wolfy, but at least he brought activity.
For bds, what he told is logical, and the remark about activity applies to him too.
For e.gadd, I think he did too much about bds's joke and otherwise logical actions, that makes me read him a bit wolfy.
The others haven't been much involved with the brainy and bds things, so I read them as town for now.
My opinion: if Lkjhgfdsa claims control freak, lynch brainy. If he claims not control freak, lynch e.gadd in waiting for a better lynch target.
*sighhhhh* how many times do I have to say it, and in how many different languages must I translate it, hm? I misinterpreted his joke, and wanted answers. I didn't understand how "slightly more serious vote" = the first one was a joke, because in my mind, slightly more serious means there was some seriousness behind the first vote. What else can I say?
I also dragged it out because, as said before, I didn't want to just choose someone random for a lynch target. So, I was trying to find anything about anyone, and his vote struck me as weird, and without reading more intocable it, I dragged it out, trying to understand the joke, which I did not first interpret as a joke.
The problem is than we haven't any good lynch target, except if we have a counterclaim on brainy
You wont
...
. . .
. . .
I am the Control Freak.
What did you say, brainy?
He lies!! Liars all of you! Blackdragonslayer is deceiving you all!!
So, is there anyone here who thinks Brainy is more trustworthy than Lkjhgfdsa?
Because otherwise, I'd say we claim to Lkjhfdsa and lynch Brainy (in that order).
I especially don't trust Brainy with what he did to me. I think he was just expecting me to play along and form an alliance, and when I didn't, he floundered.
It's not my fault i'm a Foodie
I meant a control freak. Llkjhgfdsa's lying! Lynch him!!
You've backed yourself into a tight corner, BrainyLucario. There's no getting out of it now.
Guys, seriously, stop voting. We need time to set up an alliance, and Noct gave us that time by making the day phase 72 hours. We should not make the day phase shorter than that by insta'ing.
I'm really tempted to vote Brainy now but I suppose we can hold off to allow further discussion. I guess just claim to Lkjhgfdsa for now.
Truthfully though it almost seems too perfect. I haven't played with Brainy before but unless he's a really, really bad player, this almost seems too obvious, almost like he's going out of his way to make sure he's lynched day one.
I'm not! Don't lynch me! it's lkjhgfdsa. He's the liar
Brainy, what the heck is going on? Your behaviour is so... erratic... just stop, take a breath, and give us your thoughts WITHOUT trying to point fingers. The sooner you do that, the sooner you can get out of being lynched (although even that's questionable at this point)
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 13, 2017, 08:05:48 AMTruthfully though it almost seems too perfect. I haven't played with Brainy before but unless he's a really, really bad player, this almost seems too obvious, almost like he's going out of his way to make sure he's lynched day one.
Either suspicious or makes sense, I'm not sure. I couldn't think of any item or ability that him being lynched would benefit from (except maybe Fat Werewolf ability), but I feel like we might be walking into something...
Okay, since everyone (but Brainy) seems to be agreeing right now I'll say this:
Everyone claim to Lkjhgfdsa.
Lkjhgfdsa, since this is your first time playing here, let me explain what you are expected to do.
Players are going to claim their roles and items to you. Do not share this information with anyone until everyone has claimed.
Once everyone has claimed, either both other blues are uncounterclaimed or one blue will be uncounterclaimed (since brainy has already counterclaimed you it is not possible for both wolves to fake claim the other two blue roles).
If both other blues are uncounterclaimed, share the information with both of them, otherwise only share the information with the uncounterclaimed one.
Then, you should communicate with the other blues to decide on a lynch target (which should be Brainy). You communicate this to the tread so we know who we should lynch.
I think that's all for now.
Quote from: davy on September 13, 2017, 10:51:31 AMLkjhgfdsa, since this is your first time playing here, let me explain what you are expected to do.
(explained)
Understood. I have read the PMs that I got so far, but I will wait for more to make any more actions.
Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on September 13, 2017, 10:32:02 AMEither suspicious or makes sense, I'm not sure. I couldn't think of any item or ability that him being lynched would benefit from (except maybe Fat Werewolf ability), but I feel like we might be walking into something...
In his crazed PM conversation thing with me, Brainy did mention that he had the cookie and wanted to put it out of play. But still, his whole act? Just for that? And besides, what are the merits of putting the cookie out of play (just curious)?
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 13, 2017, 06:42:47 PMAnd besides, what are the merits of putting the cookie out of play (just curious)?
I don't see any for him, but there might be one against the team. Maybe because he wants the ability to be "wasted" on someone that the group already thinks is suspicious?
Also, per davy's request claim to me so we can get along with everything.
Perhaps? Idk. If he does have the cookie, and he's the wolf, then we're screwed because it gives him another night.
How many times do I gotta say that I'm not the wolf?
Phase is ending tonight, I think, but since I don't want to insta, safety on davy.
Votecount, please?
*coughs*
Olimar and Brainy (unless he sticks to his claim) still need to claim to me.
Safety on E. Gadd Industries
Safety on Trasdegi.
safety on BrainyLucario
Safety on ThatHiddenCharacter.
c-c-c-combo breaker
Safety on Lkjhgfdsa_77.
Phase end is drawing close enough that I don't really care for not insta'ing anymore.
BrainyLucario
Well then, BrainyLucario.
BrainyLucario
Why even bother at this point. Blueflower
BrainyLucario is a vanilla human. Nobody was lynched. It is now Night 1. Night 1 ends in 24 hours.
Cue the spam of hateful comments saying I wasted an Item and am a terrible TWG player.
Not necessarily hateful, but I do have one question: why...?
I just didn't want the wolves to have it. Plain and simple. I prevented a mislynch and have the wolves an easy target for tonight. Plus I eliminated their chances of getting the cookie.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 14, 2017, 07:13:34 PMCue the spam of hateful comments saying I wasted an Item and am a terrible TWG player.
you wasted an item and are a terrible twg player
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 14, 2017, 07:23:38 PMI just didn't want the wolves to have it. Plain and simple. I prevented a mislynch and have the wolves an easy target for tonight. Plus I eliminated their chances of getting the cookie.
or you could have just played normally and helpfully and tried to get wolfed instead
Yep, thought he had something planned. Didn't think this far through though.
Well. Hmm. Rip Lkjhgfdsa?
Thoughts at the moment:
I think it's safe to say that those leading the charge most vehemently against BrainyLucario to be the most wolfish. While it's natural to be suspicious of his actions, he was pretty clearly forcing it. Like I said earlier, he wanted himself to be lynched for some other reason, and the wolves went along with it because they get a free day. Unless the wolves are especially crafty (or inactive), they almost certainly jumped onto this bandwagon.
Thoughts?
Was anyone else voting for Brainy at the end of the phase except for the people on this page, myself included?
I changed to safety. Now, being that I was the person to tell you about the whole Brainy thing: in my defence, I couldn't let this go unnoticed; he was PMing me about all this & claiming every role, and it didn't make sense at all and struck me as extremely wolffish. So of course I told all of you, I couldn't let this go quietly away with the chance that he was a wolf (This being from the beginning when I first posted the PM log)
Well I've missed a lot. Sorry for my absence, I've been busy irl. Just sent my ppl to lkjhgfdsa. Before the phase ended and we learned about lkjhgfdsa I would have done this:
Quote from: Trasdegi on September 13, 2017, 03:21:03 AMif Lkjhgfdsa claims control freak, lynch brainy. If he claims not control freak, lynch e.gadd in waiting for a better lynch target.
Obligatory "brainy is a human working for the wolves" post. Really bad job there, brainy.
Sent pm to lkjhgfdsa finally, btw.
Well, this was a rather disappointing day phase. Hopefully, the next goes better.
Due to 2 of our players being in UTC+2, phases will now end at 12:00 AM CST to hopefully accommodate those players' schedules better.
Please Understand.
"Hooray, we finally made it!"
"Why are we 4 days late?"
"I blame Trasdegi, he was driving."
"Brainy had the map, I could not drive with him navigating!"
"Let's blame the storyteller."
"We can't do that, that would break the fourth wall."
"What if we blamed THC?"
"Yeah, that'll work."
"Hey, what did I do!?"
---------
A group of nine friends were at the Minnesota State Fair for their first time, and quickly decided it was the best State Fair in North America. There was all kinds of food, major rides and attractions, and even a petting zoo, which they ignored, for the most part. After a long day of eating, however, BlackDragonSlayer suddenly stopped.
"Hey, my baklava is gone!"
Everyone turned around to look at him. His arms were chock-full of assorted sweets.
"How can you even tell?" questioned BrainyLucario. "There's so much stuff in your arms..."
"Trust me, it's gone. I bet you took it!"
"Hey, now, everyone! Calm down. I don't think anyone took your baklava, BlackDragonSlayer," said Lkjhgfdsa_77.
"Well, there's a way we can find out," said davy.
"How's that?" Blueflower999 asked.
"It's simple. We just interrogate one person at a time until we find the person holding the baklava. After all, nobody would willingly EAT the baklava."
"...Fine. Let's do that. I want my baklava back!"
The group turned to BrainyLucario. "So, Brainy, where were you when BlackDragonSlayer's baklava was stolen?"
"Uh... right here?"
"Well, then, empty your pockets."
"No!"
"BRAINY, EMPTY YOUR POCKETS!" shouted E. Gadd Industries. "NOW!"
"...Alright! Sheesh..."
BrainyLucario dumped out his pockets to reveal... A large pile of cookies he had stashed away for himself. Everyone gasped. "I was going to share them! I promise!"
"A likely story. Well, I guess he doesn't have the baklava, BDS..." Davy sighed. "You'd better share those cookies, Brainy..."
"I SAID I WAS GOING TO SHARE THEM!"
[This is not the story that was originally going to go up before day 1]
TWG XCV: The Great Minnesota Get-Together
Wow! 9 (or 10 (or even 11 (I like to be optimistic (but not really)))) of us all went to the Minnesota State Fair together and we're ready to have a blast! Unbeknownst to the group of us, two members of the party are unbelievably selfish and want to hog all the [generic food item]-on-a-sticks to themselves. But we're not going to let that happen. Are we?
1. Hungry Werewolf- Each night phase, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player is killed. If that player was holding an Item, the Hungry Werewolf takes that Item. The Hungry Werewolf never receives an Item during distribution.
2. Fat Werewolf- As long as the Fat Werewolf is holding an Item, if the Fat Werewolf would die, instead becomes a Vanilla Werewolf and loses any Item held.
3. Foodie- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of an Item. The Foodie receives a PM with the name of the Player holding that Item.
4. Fitness Guru- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player loses any Item they were holding.
5. Control Freak- Once per game, at night, may send a PM to the host asking the host to redistribute the Items. The Items will be redistributed at the end of the Phase.
6. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
7. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
8. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
9. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
Players:•BrainyLucario
•ThatHiddenCharacter
•Trasdegi
•davy
•BlackDragonSlayer
•Olimar12345
•BlueFlower
•E. Gadd Industries
•Lkjhgfdsa_77Items:To consume an Item, the Player holding that Item sends a PM to the host notifying them of their intent. Once consumed, Items are removed from the game and do not return.
Mocha-On-A-Stick: A Player may consume this Item to revive another Player at the end of the next Night Phase.
Deep-Fried-Baklava-On-A-Stick: This Item is always given to the Hungry Werewolf. Since nobody likes Baklava, this Item cannot be consumed by a Player and instead can be passed on to another Player as a night action. If that Player is holding an Item already, they swap Items.
Sweet Martha's Cookies: If a Player holding Sweet Martha's Cookies would die, instead the Item is consumed and that Player's Role is publicized.
Corn-Dog-On-A-Stick: A Player may consume this Item to have their vote count as 2 during the next Day Phase.
Night 1 has ended. Lkjhgfdsa_77 was killed. It is now Day 2. Day 2 ends on September 18 at 12:00 AM, 48 hours from now.
Ulk! Why?! You made a noble sacrifice, even if you were a bit hesitant at first. You will be missed.
REVENGE! REVENGE ON THE WOLVES! POST STUFF SO WE CAN FIND YOU!
I'm getting A bad suspicion on Tras. Mostly for his post in the discord server. Saying we should pick someone to lynch randomly. Blue also marks me as suspicious but that's mostly due to the fact that they fake claimed to me and admitted it whenever I was pretending to be the Control Freak
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 16, 2017, 04:43:12 PMI'm getting A bad suspicion on Tras. Mostly for his post in the discord server. Saying we should pick someone to lynch randomly. Blue also marks me as suspicious but that's mostly due to the fact that they fake claimed to me and admitted it whenever I was pretending to be the Control Freak
Um, no, I made a stupid joke lol
I agree. That seems very suspicious. Maybe if people posted more, there would be more to go off of. But no one's been posting. POST PEOPLE!
Post
Serious post:
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 16, 2017, 04:43:12 PMI'm getting A bad suspicion on Tras. Mostly for his post in the discord server. Saying we should pick someone to lynch randomly. Blue also marks me as suspicious but that's mostly due to the fact that they fake claimed to me and admitted it whenever I was pretending to be the Control Freak
Brainy post the discord log you're referring to for tras.
Actually nevermind, I think that was just a joke. Anyway, I've narrowed the pool down to 3 people. The ones who I don't believe to be wolves will not be named for their own safety. The wolves probably passed Greek food on a stick to someone else, so we need an item check. Send me your items pronto. I'm like literally the only one you can trust
Sorry for my relative inactivity as of late, but I've been trying to make a push to finish my article reviews & some scholarship applications (although I keep getting distracted by YouTube & other such things, oops).
BDS, how fat are you feeling?
Actually....nevermind. Misread some info. Tras, I have a few questions for you. Why are you so for a Blue lynch? You say it's our best lead, but yet this is only based on a defense post for E. Gadd
Tbh, in context I think he was agreeing with the convo BDS and I were having in the discord server. I'm on mobile, could someone post that log here pls?
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 17, 2017, 07:53:06 AMActually....nevermind. Misread some info. Tras, I have a few questions for you. Why are you so for a Blue lynch? You say it's our best lead, but yet this is only based on a defense post for E. Gadd
I was refeering to this:
[06:34] BlackDragonSlayer: I'm still kind of suspicious of blueflower for this post: http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386197#msg386197
[06:49] Olimar12345: @BlackDragonSlayer that post is weird because I agree with it if he would have swapped out you for egadd. Suspecting you over him for any of that is just dumb.
[06:51] BlackDragonSlayer: Yeah. Aside from that fact, I think it seems kind of like he was trying to pile on board what he thought would be an easy lynch (considering the other votes for me).
[06:51] BlackDragonSlayer: Or vote(s), I should probably say.
[06:52] Olimar12345: Oh, good point.
[06:52] Olimar12345: Since thc had already voted for you
Tras seems to be one of the few people who could still be a wolf after what I've seen. This is a bit less about information pointing towards him, and more about information pointing away from others.
Not confirming or denying tras' humanity, but from the perspective of someone with no leans on tras, could you be a bit more specific? Like with quotes or logs or something?
Also reminder that the "I just have a feeling" card helps no one.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 17, 2017, 10:16:53 AMTras seems to be one of the few people who could still be a wolf after what I've seen. This is a bit less about information pointing towards him, and more about information pointing away from others.
TBH, I'm most suspicious of you and Blueflower right now. You just keep blindly jumping on wagons that
might pick up, instead of doing anything actually helpful to generate discussion or contribute to the lynch.
Sorry for my absense, people. I was moving this weekend and I had no Internet until just now. Also, I'm very tired, so I'm not going to make any more posts today. I'd like to see everyone make suspicion lists so we have something to work with.
Safety on davy
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 17, 2017, 10:16:53 AMTras seems to be one of the few people who could still be a wolf after what I've seen. This is a bit less about information pointing towards him, and more about information pointing away from others.
This is some of my reasoning, the fact that his posts are also very straightforward and lacks a lot of detail. Even the item claim he gave me was extremely basic, Like he was trying to hide something and didn't want to risk getting suspected. Everyone else's item claims were detailed (and some enthusiastic) about telling me what they had. Olimar's claim was a bit forced out of him though, which was a bit annoying.
"Want to Lynch" Tier:
Blueflower
THC
"Semi-Suspicious" Tier:
Trasdegi
E. Gadd Industries
"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" Tier:
davy
Olimar
"I Can't Believe He's Not a Wolf" Tier:
BrainyLucario
In response's to Davy's request for suspicion lists. I know it's not to detailed, but it should be fairly self-explanatory, I hope.
"Want to Lynch" Tier
Trasdegi
"Semi-Suspicious" Tier:
THC
BDS
E. Gadd
"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" Tier:
davy
Olimar
Blueflower999
"I Can't Believe I'm Not a Wolf" Tier:
BrainyLucario
you simultaneously copied the format of my suspicion list, botched it, and made yourself look even less competent all in one
can't say i'm impressed
"Want to Lynch" Tier
Trasdegi
"Semi-Suspicious" Tier:
THC
BDS
Olimar
"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" Tier:
davy
Blueflower999
"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" Tier:
BrainyLucario
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 17, 2017, 01:41:37 PMyou simultaneously copied the format of my suspicion list, botched it, and made yourself look even less competent all in one
can't say i'm impressed
It's a good list format.
I'm just going to place this here since we've gotten a couple more "tras is suspicious" posts with no reasonings.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 17, 2017, 10:24:44 AMNot confirming or denying tras' humanity, but from the perspective of someone with no leans on tras, could you be a bit more specific? Like with quotes or logs or something?
Also reminder that the "I just have a feeling" card helps no one.
Would lynch:
Blueflower
THC
E. Gadd
Wouldn't lynch:
BDS
Olimar
davy
Brainy
Won't copy BDS's list:
Trasdegi
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 17, 2017, 01:43:13 PM"Want to Lynch" Tier
Trasdegi
"Semi-Suspicious" Tier:
THC
BDS
Olimar
"Innocent Until Proven Guilty" Tier:
davy
Blueflower999
"I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" Tier:
BrainyLucario
ThatHiddenCharacterthere are so many things wrong with this list
also @tras A+
Actually, since we're nearing the end of the phase, let's speed things along here. THC please show us exactly why you suspect tras, and why we should believe that you aren't trying to cause a mislynch. (Would prefer to vote brainy but he's human so I don't want to risk it).
Ack, ninjad twice. Oh well, it's more of an incentive now I guess.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 17, 2017, 01:52:48 PMActually, since we're nearing the end of the phase, let's speed things along here. THC please show us exactly why you suspect tras, and why we should believe that you aren't trying to cause a mislynch. (Would prefer to vote brainy but he's human so I don't want to risk it).
Ack, ninjad twice. Oh well, it's more of an incentive now I guess.
Just in case the things that are wrong with his list aren't apparent, it's that:
1: It's almost a direct copy of Brainy's list.
2: E. Gadd doesn't appear at all, yet THC himself does.
talk about a low-effort post
Wow i saw that it wa basically the same but I didn't even catch the lack of egadd. Talk about trash lmao.
Everybody else, feel free to add whatever you want. Don't be shy to say something; after all, it's hard to have a one-person conversation! :P
Oops, I forgot to put E. Gadd. At this point, I don't even care anymore. I'm going to say it no matter if it's a bad idea or not. I am the Foodie. Brainy can vouch for me. Just to prevent the inevitable THC mislynch 2.0.
WHY THE HECK DID YOU JUST COME FORWARD WITH THAT INFO
Not sure you should have done that, THC, but:
Blueflower
I'd rather die at the hands of the wolves than in a lynch.
you should've just had brainy come up with a better lynch
I'm just as bad at this game as Brainy is.
DONT VOTE FOR BLUEFLOWER
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 17, 2017, 02:57:20 PMI'm just as bad at this game as Brainy is.
Given how your idea of "I don't even care anymore" is to actively shoot the humans as a collective in the foot, it seems so. There's this thing called "subtlety," you know! :P
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 17, 2017, 03:00:55 PMDONT VOTE FOR BLUEFLOWER
why
is he a special too
why are the specials/confirmed humans so trash this game
can we get a reroll or something
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 17, 2017, 03:07:35 PMNot a special, but not suspicious.
So in other words, he's still on the table.
I don't trust you two to have good suspicions, and at this rate, I don't think the third special does either.
Sure let's reroll :^)
i was only half serious
I wasn't at all serious
Okay time to put my thoughts on the table.
Truthfully I was going to vote for THC this phase because (much like me, heh) his posts have been all pretty short and bandwaggon-y, generally just agreeing with what everyone else is saying or briefly putting forth something for discussion in a sentence or two. Of course, if he claims that he's the Foodie, then I can't do that, now can I.
This leaves me in a bit of a tight spot. Reading through the thread, I don't quite see what's wrong with Trasdegi? I'm willing to defer to Brainy on this one if stuff has happened in a group chat that I've missed or something, but not much of a case has been made in the thread as of yet.
E Gadd seems to be as reasonable of a lynch right now as any, although I'm willing to change my vote to Trasdegi if I see good reasoning for it.
Also, suspicions of me are totally warranted and I understand the reasoning. Just realize that it's been a few years since I've played this game and I'm trying my best.
Talked to Brainy for a bit. Trasdegi seems like a good choice to me.
[Vote retracted] Real suspicion list time.
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ThatHiddenCharacter - Half suspicious, due to your recent claim. You're officially rivaling Brainy for worst human right now if you really are the foodie. If you survive the night phase then you are more likely faking the foodie role and should be a fine lynch candidate then. Log:
Spoiler
[5:49 PM] Olimar12345: Was it really so hard to create a genuine suspicion post about tras that you would rather reveal your special role and put the wolves at an advantage?
[5:50 PM] Trasdegi: And we lost a second blue role
[5:51 PM] Olimar12345: this is how you put the game on hard mode
[5:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: Well, I don't think it matters what I said, there's no way I could've gotten out of being lynched without revealing my role.
[5:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: Because I am not convincing
[5:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: In the slightest
[6:00 PM] Olimar12345: No, that was completely avoidable
[6:02 PM] Olimar12345: if you and brainy hadn't kept posting about tras without anything to go on, and had actually responded to one of my posts (which were basically warnings for this exact scenario), you could have gotten support .
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Trasdegi - You poor soul. I don't know what you've done to be so condemned by Brainy and THC, but whatever it is (if it even exists), it must be somewhere private, since I cannot find anything this incriminating coming from you in either the thread or discord chat. Simply asking about it has gotten a special role publicly revealed (though that isn't your fault, I just think its a bit funny, in a "we're going to lose" kind of way). Process of elimination is a bitch. I have no real suspicion of you, but if a better option doesn't happen you might be the safe way to go.
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davy - Still no suspicions here (mostly since you've been inactive giving us little to go on). Wish you could be more active, but I totally understand moving. Hope to see more of you once you can make time for it.
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BlackDragonSlayer - No real lean yet. Hard to tell if you're playing a god wolf game or if you're just one of the only sane ones here. If you're a wolf you're probably sitting back and laughing at all of this.
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BlueFlower - You haven't posted too much since my last suspicion post, so I'll just quote that here.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 12, 2017, 07:22:48 PMBlue - Suspecting BDS for looking like he's the one pointlessly dragging things on when the issue was egadd makes me suspect him of trying to force something that isn't there. (maybe a possible bad play, wolf partner with egadd lol).
Spoiler
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 12, 2017, 03:51:39 PMDid, like, everyone skip over this post lol.
BlackDragonSlayer to me looks like he's needlessly stirring up conflict. While I appreciate it as it gives this first day some substance, is it something that a human would do? Probably not.
However, you did make a pretty good post about the brainy lynch (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386451#msg386451) that I think looks a little more human. I'd still just like to hear more from you though. If you could join the discord server even just for this one game that would really help.
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E. Gadd Industries - For the most part, same as Blue with the only difference being that I think you're more suspicious than him. My prior suspicion still stands:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 12, 2017, 07:22:48 PMEgadd - Pointlessly dragging out that convo on pages 2-3 with BDS was pointless banter, like he was just stirring up shit just to stir shit. Suspicious.
noticeable quotes
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 02:11:24 PM@BDS so what qualifies you to be a veteran, first of all? And secondly, why should I be inclined to follow your instincts? Just because you may be a veteran doesn't mean you're instantly human.
Also,1. But at the VERY beginning with little/no base behind the vote?
ex. of pointlessness.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:01:09 PMThat's a thing people do in day start games. Speaking of, E. Gadd...
Doubting/needlessly questioning a TWG veteran (with a couple day start games played as well), followed up by making a random, irrelevant post? Not looking too good for you. This, at least, is a somewhat more serious vote than the last.
nail on the head (and a good tl;dr)
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BrainyLucario - Even though you're confirmed to be a human, I think you're being more of a hindrance that a support for our team rn. To recap, you've wasted one of the best items in the game to save yourself after getting yourself a completely avoidable mess on what should have been an easy day 1 lynch
and you've revealed basically all sensitive information that you were supposed to manage secretly. Please for the love of god don't post that X is suspicious and expect people to believe you without actually having a reason you can share with
all us. THERE ARE TWO WOLVES AMONG US.
I'm more convinced that the lynch should be between E.Gadd or Blueflower, so I'll go with
E.Gadd for now.
Current vote count:
Tras 3 (Brainy, THC, Blueflower)
davy 1 (davy)
Blueflower 1 (BDS)
E.Gadd 1 (Olimar)
THC has been more of a hindrance, you just have little trust in my judgement.
In fact this whole game, you've been saying that I'm a terrible player. Olimar, I do respect you and trust your judgement for most things. Just actually listen to me for once. I know what I'm doing and I have more TWG experience than you think. You don't know all the details. I purposely did that to eliminate the item and stop something like you guys have been saying "Brainy must be a wolf yet he's confirmed human." "I can't believe he's not a wolf" "Are you sure there isn't three wolves in this game?" "Working for the wolves, huh Brainy?" I purposely sent E. Gadd those messages and I purposely wasted the cookie to prevent it from either being taken by the hungry werewolf or two, getting put out of play by the Guru. I also fail to see how I leaked out any information publicly
@Brainy
Yeah, and both those actions were bad ones. Not sure how citing them is supposed to get us to trust your judgement any more.
I'll vote BlueFlower, for the posts he made earlier and for jumping on my wagon lynch like that. And I still don't understand what are your reasons of wanting me lynched...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 17, 2017, 05:05:03 PM@Brainy
Yeah, and both those actions were bad ones. Not sure how citing them is supposed to get us to trust your judgement any more.
You guys are all critics. I'm about ready to give up TWG forever if you guys just keep on with this.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 17, 2017, 05:20:59 PMI'm about ready to give up TWG forever if you guys just keep on with this.
How do you think we feel!?
Quote from: Trasdegi on September 17, 2017, 05:19:53 PMI'll vote BlueFlower, for the posts he made earlier and for jumping on my wagon lynch like that. And I still don't understand what are your reasons of wanting me lynched...
Also geez this game is a mess. Bandwagons everywhere.
Current vote count:
Tras 3 (Brainy, THC, Blueflower)
davy 1 (davy)
Blueflower 2 (BDS, Tras)
E.Gadd 1 (Olimar)
At least everyone is voting. I still don't see how Tras is more suspicious than Bluefower though. Also, I'm considering changing my vote due to this convo from the discord chat.
Spoiler
[5:48 PM] Olimar12345: So uh
[5:48 PM] Olimar12345: I just read the thread and wow
[5:48 PM] Olimar12345: rip thc
[5:49 PM] Olimar12345: Was it really so hard to create a genuine suspicion post about tras that you would rather reveal your special role and put the wolves at an advantage?
[5:50 PM] Trasdegi: And we lost a second blue role
[5:51 PM] Olimar12345: this is how you put the game on hard mode
[5:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: Well, I don't think it matters what I said, there's no way I could've gotten out of being lynched without revealing my role.
[5:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: Because I am not convincing
[5:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: In the slightest
[6:00 PM] Olimar12345: No, that was completely avoidable
[6:02 PM] Olimar12345: if you and brainy hadn't kept posting about tras without anything to go on, and had actually responded to one of my posts (which were basically warnings for this exact scenario), you could have gotten support .
[6:16 PM] Fairgoer #1: Yeah, but I had no better reason than almost everyone else was proven or acted innocent.
[6:16 PM] Fairgoer #1: Which I had mentioned.
[6:17 PM] Fairgoer #1: No one (besides Brainy and I) was really acting suspicious @Olimar12345 .
[6:36 PM] Olimar12345: This is all stuff you should have posted in the thread
[6:37 PM] Olimar12345: also I just made a big post go read pls
[6:39 PM] Fairgoer #1: I did post that in the thread, I think
[6:40 PM] Olimar12345: And a general rule of thumb: if you are having a hard time generating a convincing lynch suggestion, you should probably reevaluate that option.
[6:41 PM] Olimar12345: I mean I guess being the least suspicios person is an okay day one thing to go with when there isn't anyone else, but there are good leads here
[6:41 PM] Olimar12345: like egadd, blueflower, and you until you claimed
[6:41 PM] Olimar12345: Brainy is god tier at getting people to want to lynch him
[6:42 PM] Fairgoer #1: I read E. Gadd as human.
[6:42 PM] Olimar12345: I have to keep verbally reminding myself that he is a confirmed human
[6:42 PM] Olimar12345: (brainy)
[6:42 PM] Olimar12345: "I read E. Gadd as human." Why?
[6:42 PM] Olimar12345: just curious
[6:43 PM] Olimar12345: (If I don't ask this we don't go anywhere)
[6:43 PM] Olimar12345: (same if you don't answer)
[6:43 PM] Fairgoer #1: Well, he did help me when I was claiming to Ulk.
[6:44 PM] Olimar12345: Help you how? and where
[6:44 PM] Olimar12345: privatly?
[6:44 PM] Fairgoer #1: Privately
[6:44 PM] Fairgoer #1: He knew my role and confirmed to Ulk that I was
[6:46 PM] Olimar12345: wait...how did he know your role?
[6:46 PM] Olimar12345: did you claim to him?
[6:46 PM] Fairgoer #1: He found out based on something I said on the Discord chat awhile back.
[6:46 PM] Olimar12345: This I missed
[6:46 PM] Fairgoer #1: And besides, I'd already be dead if he had been a wolf
[6:47 PM] Olimar12345: Hmm. That's a good observation.
[6:48 PM] Fairgoer #1: Really?
[6:50 PM] Olimar12345: Would you be able to PM me the log from him about that? I just want to confirm that it did happen. That'd clear him for me.
[6:50 PM] Olimar12345: And if it's true, I think I know a good plan to take next phase
[6:51 PM] Fairgoer #1: Um, I'll have to figure out how to do that. It was on Discord PM.
[6:52 PM] Olimar12345: highlight, ctrl c/v
[6:52 PM] Fairgoer #1: Oh, just copypaste
[6:52 PM] Fairgoer #1: Okay
[6:52 PM] Olimar12345: Since you've claimed publicly there shouldn't be sensitive material there either.
[6:53 PM] Olimar12345: Well, actually
[6:53 PM] Olimar12345: post it in the thread
[6:53 PM] Fairgoer #1: I'm on mobile...
[6:53 PM] Olimar12345: oh rip
[6:54 PM] Olimar12345: well do that eventually (and preferably before the phase ends)
[6:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: I can't get on my comp before phase end
[6:55 PM] Fairgoer #1: I'll figure something out
I'd still like to see some evidence of this before I switch my vote though. (although lying about this would be a more difficult play to pull off)
Of course, as stated in my suspicion post, if I change my vote it'll be to blueflower before tras. I sure hope someone can help us prevent a KiTB though...
Olimar, what else would you like to hear from me?
Here's my suspicion list *puts on a tin foil hat*
Confirmed Human:
...hmmmm... I wonder who that could be
-Brainy
-Myself (But you wouldn't believe me)
I believe they are human:
-THC (and not because of his reveal, but because I figured it out myself in the Discord server, I can provide evidence if needed)
Meh:
-Davy (not much to go off of)
-Blueflower (same here, but then again it's been a bit since I read through the first few pages, so this may change)
-BDS (sorry again about the kerfuffle we had, otherwise you seem strawberry vanilla)
-Tras (I'm not seeing the wolfiness here, sorry?)
Hmmmmmmmmm...
-Olimar (you know I'm not that great of a player, no doubt, and I'd like to think you'd realise that I don't know what I'm doing with day-start games, though I went into it thinking they were exactly the same as night-start [BOY was I wrong]. So why all the heat you're giving me? I explained my reasoning for doing what I did, and I'd like to think my experience [or lack thereof, more appropriately] also partially speaks for itself.)
Uh
I think that's everyone?
Also, a reason I didn't safety on myself is because I already have a vote, and I don't want to contribute to it.
Could you post our DM log E. Gadd? From when you figured out I was Foodie to the end of that conversation. It'll take Olimar's suspicion off of you maybe. And seriously, voting on someone who just said he'd not vote for you with evidence you can provide? Dumb move.
Yeah I can, but I legit have less than four hours to vote and not get a phantom, and I'm not about to add another vote for myself which could put me at risk for being in a KitB.
*CHAT LOG INCOMING MOMENTARILY*
Chat stump
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:57 PM
I'm sending this to Noc
Anyhoo, so you in essence just revealed you're a blue role
Because there's no other way you would know that
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 8:58 PM
Sending what to Noc?
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:58 PM
This log
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 8:58 PM
Ok
Why?
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:58 PM
Because you have to send all messages to him
For player evaluation at the end
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 8:58 PM
Ok
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:59 PM
But anyhoo, are you a blue? I'm a human, and was looking for someone to claim to. I was about to claim to Brainy but then he started all that nonsense
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 8:59 PM
What exactly is claiming to? Just letting one person know your role?
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:00 PM
Basically, yea
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:00 PM
Well, I may trust no one, but I might as well tell you since I tend to lose any game I play anyway.
I am a blue
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:01 PM
Okay, this is good. Hopefully we can try to win this starting with this communication. I know, it's suspicious receiving a word like this from someone who you have no idea is telling the truth (I've been there MANY times), but if you can trust me, we can win this game.
Even if not, I won't give you away
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:02 PM
I don't trust you, but I also do. It doesn't make much sense, but it does.
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:03 PM
I 100% get that. I've played around 5-7 TWGs, each different in their own regard. I know what it feels like to kinda trust someone but kinda not
Given I know you're on the human side, I'll definitely be discussing a lot more with you than with others, unless another person claims. Then we'll expand this
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:05 PM
Good plan
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:06 PM
Hopefully good enough. My thoughts are that if Brainy is a wolf, we can have this game won fairly (ha) quickly
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:06 PM
I agree
But we still need to figure out the other wolf
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:07 PM
That is true, but we have at least one veteran on our side (be it BDS, Olimar, or (chiefly) Davy)
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:08 PM
I have a feeling ulk is the Real control freak if Brainy isn't.
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:08 PM
Ulk?
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:08 PM
Lkjhgfdsa
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:08 PM
Ooo
Any reasoning for that or?
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:09 PM
His post saying that it's a bad idea for the real control freak to claim seems like he is the real one and worried for his life(edited)
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:09 PM
Yea, it hit me as you were typing that XD
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:10 PM
Or he could be Brainy's partner
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:10 PM
And that could possibly be the case, either of those. In any matter, if Brainy is a wolf, I'd like to think any partner of GOOD experience wouldn't let him do something awfully stupid as that, which makes me believe the other wolf would be one of lesser experience
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:11 PM
Like Tras
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:11 PM
Yes, or Ulk
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:11 PM
He hasn't been present much
Tras
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:11 PM
That too. But time zones play into that a lil bit
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:11 PM
And he wasn't last game either
And he was a wolf last game
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:12 PM
Yea, true. I couldn't remember if he was or not
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:12 PM
Time zones don't affect how often you post in the thread, though
Just Discord
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:13 PM
Yea, but they can affect your ability to hold a conversation. Anyhoo, I'm not trying to stick up for him by any means, just trying to look at things from multiple angles before concluding anything
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:13 PM
Which is smart
I feel I'm doing better in this game. Am I?
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:14 PM
I believe so. You're making very good decisions and judgements, so far as I can tell
And thoughts on me?
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:14 PM
You seem pretty okay, except for the whole BDS thing
Which was just a misunderstanding as far as I can tell
You seem like a human to me
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:15 PM
That was a massive misunderstanding XDDDDDD completely my fault
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:15 PM
So no matter what side you're on, you're doing a good job
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:16 PM
Thank you!
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:16 PM
... That's very disconcerting...
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:16 PM
...why? That was a compliment, no?
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:17 PM
Yeah, but you didn't argue against being a wolf.
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:17 PM
I didn't realise you were implying that ._.
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:17 PM
"You seem like a human to me, so no matter which side you're on, you're doing a good job."
I kinda implied both
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:18 PM
Oh. Well, uh... what am I supposed to say then? X'D
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:19 PM
If I knew the other two blues, everything would be easier.
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:20 PM
Yuuuuup... but such is the way of TWG, no one knows much of anything :/ it's stuff you find on your own
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:21 PM
There's a [insert number here]% chance that I could find out the hungry werewolf during the night phase.
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:21 PM
So you're the Foodie?
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:21 PM
Yup
It's so fitting
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:22 PM
Ah. Well, lessee... your power is to send in the name of an item and then you get the player who has it?
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:22 PM
Yes
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:22 PM
Hmmm... lemme check the order that the powers work real quick
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:23 PM
Item distribution is before me
So I might not find the wolf
And accuse an innocent
Or worse, another blue
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:25 PM
Yeah... so from what I read, the transfer of Baklava is the night action, as in, no one dies
But I may be misreading that.
BUT, if no one dies, you know the Baklava read is not hungry (but it could be fat)
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:26 PM
Well, we'll find out once someone is lynched or 72 hours are over.
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:28 PM
Yeah. It may actually be worthwhile, though, to look for another item. Just given that the Baklava could go so many ways. That is, unless Brainy & inexperienced partner are wolves, in which case it would be perfectly fine to scan for Baklava because that would most likely be a human
I say, if Brainy is lynched, go for the Baklava, because if he's hungry, Baklava would return null
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:30 PM
Smart, but what would I go for if he isn't?
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:33 PM
Hmmm... that's tough to say for now.
I'll have to think on it a bit, mull it over. But for now, I need sleep. Ima wait for a few mins on the forums to see if any replies are made, but other than that I'm out for the night. G'night!
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:35 PM
Olimar just posted
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 9:38 PM
Yup, I saw that. Seems I'm stuck on his list for the first big bit of the game, then
Unless I can find a way to prove my humanity
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Tuesday at 9:39 PM
I don't think you can convince him. As long as you convince everyone else, you should be fine, though.
September 13, 2017
E. Gadd Industries - Last Wednesday at 6:57 AM
HEY
Should we reveal your identity to Ulk?
ThatHiddenCharacter - Last Wednesday at 8:26 AM
I already did.
Also, this is what I'm referring to with figuring out he was blue:
This happened in the server
Fairgoer #1 - Last Tuesday at 8:51 PM
I'm just waiting for someone to counterclaim Brainy.
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:51 PM
It's inevitable because he claimed all the roles to me, and for no reason at all
It's possible he was being legit about the control freak, but then it also doesn't make sense why he would straight up reach out to me specifically asking to form an alliance
Fairgoer #1 - Last Tuesday at 8:52 PM
Unless he thinks you be wolf
To the first thing you said
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:53 PM
But even so why do that? To distract me from getting a blue?
Fairgoer #1 - Last Tuesday at 8:54 PM
Well, if Brainy's being legit, then one blue has claimed to him
And the other won't unless there's no counterclaim
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:55 PM
Where was that said?
Fairgoer #1 - Last Tuesday at 8:56 PM
He said that one blue already claimed to him. Let me check where
E. Gadd Industries - Last Tuesday at 8:56 PM
Yea, I know that
But what do you mean the other won't claim unless there's no counterclaim?
Fairgoer #1 - Last Tuesday at 8:56 PM
Intuition
Movie extra's intuition.
Finally, things get moving!
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 17, 2017, 05:57:23 PMConfirmed Human:
...hmmmm... I wonder who that could be
-Brainy
-Myself (But you wouldn't believe me)
I know you're joking, but being confirmed means everyone knows, not just you lol. :P
Since the rest of your suspicions are generic versions of everyone else's, I'll jump to the more interesting one here:
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 17, 2017, 05:57:23 PMHmmmmmmmmm...
-Olimar (you know I'm not that great of a player, no doubt, and I'd like to think you'd realise that I don't know what I'm doing with day-start games, though I went into it thinking they were exactly the same as night-start [BOY was I wrong]. So why all the heat you're giving me? I explained my reasoning for doing what I did, and I'd like to think my experience [or lack thereof, more appropriately] also partially speaks for itself.)
It's because it was such a gross misunderstanding that spanned a page and a half, and nothing else can rival it in size. Just because you realize now that it was a mistake doesn't mean it didn't happen lol. This is a game where we can only analyze what you post, after all, and with a lot of posts questioning BDS's ability to play TWG it looked like you were trying to create drama to lynch him for.
Anyway, I'm a bit more satisfied on my E.Gadd suspicions for now. Seeing as how a private role reveal would be super easy to wolf, E.Gadd being a wolf seems less likely. Who could resist low-hanging fruit like that?
Before I change my vote, I would prefer we settle this what-would-be KiTB. I still don't think it's better to lynch Tras on a whim because he's the least not-suspicious, when Blueflower still seems actually suspicious for things he's actually said.
Fair enough. Blueflower is probably a better choice at this point.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 17, 2017, 06:22:35 PMIt's because it was such a gross misunderstanding that spanned a page and a half, and nothing else can rival it in size. Just because you realize now that it was a mistake doesn't mean it didn't happen lol. This is a game where we can only analyze what you post, after all, and with a lot of posts questioning BDS's ability to play TWG it looked like you were trying to create drama to lynch him for.
I mean, I was trying to get him lynched because at that point he was suspicious to me. But when I realised it was a joke, I though "Oh crepe" and hoped no one else started looking suspiciously at BDS.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 17, 2017, 06:22:35 PMBefore I change my vote, I would prefer we settle this what-would-be KiTB. I still don't think it's better to lynch Tras on a whim because he's the least not-suspicious, when Blueflower still seems actually suspicious for things he's actually said.
Yeah... I'd like to be filled in on this myself for both of them, Tras especially.
[Vote Retracted] I'll wait for E.Gadd to get a chance to respond before I cast my vote.
Tras 2 (Brainy, Blueflower)
davy 1 (davy)
Olimar (E.Gadd)
Blueflower 3 (BDS, Tras, THC)
Ninjad
You're wasting a lynch on me, honestly. I'll claim as the current holder of the Baklava on a Stick item. Presumably some wolf passed it to me during the night phase. I didn't have an item at the time so they didn't get anything. Holding onto the item for now because I don't see using it benefiting the humans at all.
Oh wait, I forgot about that bit of information that my power had told me. I'm gonna change my vote to make a tie, so that the lynch is random between the tiees. BDS.
If you guys lynch Blueflower I'm not going to be happy....They're the Guru
HOW MANY ROLES ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ME GIVE AWAY BEFORE YOU STOP ASSUMING BASED ON POSTS
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 17, 2017, 06:56:58 PMIf you guys lynch Blueflower I'm not going to be happy....They're the Guru
really
are you for eel rn
fuck it, is there any more information that you know that you could screw over the humans with by revealing? get it all out now so that we can stop having this issue.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 17, 2017, 06:50:59 PMOh wait, I forgot about that bit of information that my power had told me. I'm gonna change my vote to make a tie, so that the lynch is random between the tiees. BDS.
...This is literally a KiTB, something I was trying to avoid because it does not progress the game...
Tras 2 (Brainy, Blueflower)
davy 1 (davy)
Olimar 1 (E.Gadd)
Blueflower 3 (BDS, Tras)
BDS 1 (THC)
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 17, 2017, 06:46:28 PMYou're wasting a lynch on me, honestly. I'll claim as the current holder of the Baklava on a Stick item. Presumably some wolf passed it to me during the night phase. I didn't have an item at the time so they didn't get anything. Holding onto the item for now because I don't see using it benefiting the humans at all.
Well a tad too little too late I think. Why'd you wait until the end of the phase to make mention of that? Also, there's still the possibility that you false claimed to brainy as the guru and are the fat wolf, but after not dying you'd be dead next day phase and the humans would be back in the lead. Or you could be the hungry wolf and could not have passed it last night phase. huh. Not really sure what to think here yet.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 17, 2017, 07:00:44 PMHOW MANY ROLES ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ME GIVE AWAY BEFORE YOU STOP ASSUMING BASED ON POSTS
No. This is absolutely NOT how you play TWG. You have it 100% backwards. You are supposed to not give out information like that under any circumstances. The wolves know basically all of the roles now. Good job.
Alright, fine, I'll come out. I'm the Guru. Please choose someone else besides me or THC to lynch. Literally anyone else would have a higher probability of being a wolf.
Also, you can trust Brainy because, regardless of whether you agree with his playstyle or not, he's a confirmed human. He has no reason to deliberately mislead the humans, lol.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 17, 2017, 07:08:09 PMWell a tad too little too late I think. Why'd you wait until the end of the phase to make mention of that? Also, there's still the possibility that you false claimed to brainy as the guru and are the fat wolf, but after not dying you'd be dead next day phase and the humans would be back in the lead. Or you could be the hungry wolf and could not have passed it last night phase. huh. Not really sure what to think here yet.
I mean I honestly didn't think that my lynching was in the realm of likelihood this phase, so I held off. But a lot of people have been jumping on me these past few hours so you left me no choice.
Also, didn't everyone claim to Brainy? He's a confirmed human so there's no reason a blue would NOT claim their role to him by this point.
Yeah, Everyone claimed to me
BRAINY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING??? AUGHHHHHH
Also, I find it hilarious that Blue... is a Blue XDDDDD (well, unless Olimar's post is right about the wolf possibility)
So lessee who's left, provided Blue is Blue
THC
Blue
Brainy
Myself
BDS
Tras
Davy
Olimar
Note this is in no particular order, just narrowing shtuff down.
I'm trusting Brainy & Blue (eep!)
Tras
Trasdegi was lynched. It is now Night 2. Night 2 ends in 24 hours at 12:00 AM on September 19, regardless of when the actual update comes.
TWG XCV: The Great Minnesota Get-Together
Wow! 9 (or 10 (or even 11 (I like to be optimistic (but not really)))) of us all went to the Minnesota State Fair together and we're ready to have a blast! Unbeknownst to the group of us, two members of the party are unbelievably selfish and want to hog all the [generic food item]-on-a-sticks to themselves. But we're not going to let that happen. Are we?
1. Hungry Werewolf- Each night phase, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player is killed. If that player was holding an Item, the Hungry Werewolf takes that Item. The Hungry Werewolf never receives an Item during distribution.
2. Fat Werewolf- As long as the Fat Werewolf is holding an Item, if the Fat Werewolf would die, instead becomes a Vanilla Werewolf and loses any Item held.
3. Foodie- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of an Item. The Foodie receives a PM with the name of the Player holding that Item.
4. Fitness Guru- Each night, sends a PM to the host with the name of a Player. That Player loses any Item they were holding.
5. Control Freak- Once per game, at night, may send a PM to the host asking the host to redistribute the Items. The Items will be redistributed at the end of the Phase.
6. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
7. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
8. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
9. Vanilla Human- Has no extraordinary powers, but likes food a lot, which is a superpower in its own right.
Players:•BrainyLucario
•
ThatHiddenCharacter•
Trasdegi•davy
•BlackDragonSlayer
•Olimar12345
•BlueFlower
•E. Gadd Industries
•Lkjhgfdsa_77
Items:To consume an Item, the Player holding that Item sends a PM to the host notifying them of their intent. Once consumed, Items are removed from the game and do not return.
Mocha-On-A-Stick: A Player may consume this Item to revive another Player at the end of the next Night Phase.
Deep-Fried-Baklava-On-A-Stick: This Item is always given to the Hungry Werewolf. Since nobody likes Baklava, this Item cannot be consumed by a Player and instead can be passed on to another Player as a night action. If that Player is holding an Item already, they swap Items.
Sweet Martha's Cookies: If a Player holding Sweet Martha's Cookies would die, instead the Item is consumed and that Player's Role is publicized.
Corn-Dog-On-A-Stick: A Player may consume this Item to have their vote count as 2 during the next Day Phase.
ThatHiddenCharacter was killed. Lkjhgfdsa_77 was revived. It is now Day 3. Day 3 ends in 48 hours at 12:00 AM on September 21, regardless of when the actual update comes.
We currently have two confirmed humans alive (Lkjhgfdsa and Brainy), and 5 other players. We lynch one this day phase, leaving us with 2:4. A confirmed human is wolf'd next night phase, bringing the number to 1:4. Another day phase 1:3, Another night phase 0:3 and then it is already lynch or lose.
Since wolves are going to kill a confirmed human each night anyway, there is no reason to keep my identity secret:
I am the Fitness Guru. I had to keep my identity secret until just now because I had the Mocha, and I needed to survive last night in order to revive Lkjhgfdsa.
All items should be out of the game right now. Brainy used the cookies, I used the Mocha, and I Guru'd BDS night one (who had the corn dog) and I Guru'd Blueflower night 2 (who had the Baklava).
With me, Lkjhgfdsa and Brainy confrimed, that leaves BDS, Blueflower, E. Gadd and Olimar unconfirmed. That means humans don't have quite won automatically, but our chances of winning from here by just lynching randomly are very high.
Blueflower had the Baklava at the end of night 1. This was confirmed by THC (the foodie). That means that the only way Blueflower can be a wolf is if he played the very risky move of keeping the Baklava night 1. Therefore, he is less likely to be a wolf than the other three (which I guess is the reason why Brainy had him claim fitness guru).
And to make the reveal complete BDS had the Corn-Dog and claimed that to Lkjhgfdsa.
That's all the information I have, I'll make a post with my suspicions of the unconfirmed players later.
I'd like to point out that the only real contribution Olimar has given to this game is accusations and continually saying that my humanity is off
He acts like he's human but unless proven otherwise, he's shown no clear initiative to find the wolves, even holding off from claiming anything to me due to the fact that as he loosely put it "it should have been obvious that I had No item, I found no use in claiming due to this."
IMO, given this new information, I think Blueflower and Olimar are the most suspicious. At least in my opinion, the Fitness Guru is a more valuable role to the humans, so it would've been logical to assume that, if Blue was a human, and the wolf thought he was a special, Blue would've been the one wolfed (especially because of THC's earlier actions that reflected incompetency, which would benefit the wolves as well)... but, as you can see, he wasn't.
Olimar because I had though it would be logical to lynch either he or Davy regardless of what the first lynch was (as a way to play it safe), and now that we know that Davy is off the table, that, I think, puts Olimar more on the spot.
So nobody's going to say anything? :<
Okay, so first of all, welcome back, Lkjhgfdsa. You have the ability to help out here greatly since we all claimed to you early on. Looking on the bright side of our info leakage, we can use this to narrow down who to safely lynch. Lets gather the information we have right now:
Brainy is confirmed to be a Vanilla Human. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386439#msg386439)
Lkjhgfdsa is confirmed to be a human role (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386491#msg386491) AND has claimed Control Freak, un-counter-claimed. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386272#msg386272)
ThatHiddenCharacter is confirmed to be a human role (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386679#msg386679) AND claimed Foodie, un-counter-claimed. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386581#msg386581)
Blueflower claimed to be the Guru (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386625#msg386625) and was counter-claimed by (imo a more convincing) davy. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386682#msg386682)
Regarding items:
Quote from: davy on September 19, 2017, 01:14:58 AMAll items should be out of the game right now. Brainy used the cookies, I used the Mocha, and I Guru'd BDS night one (who had the corn dog) and I Guru'd Blueflower night 2 (who had the Baklava).
These players have not made claims publicly (other than the claim not to be the control freak):
•Trasdegi
•BlackDragonSlayer
•Olimar12345
•E. Gadd Industries
There's a 1/5 possibility that we got lucky with the Tras lynch and hit a wolf, so cross your fingers. With the others, I think it's important to remember these moments when considering our next move.
Blueflower false-claimed the guru role. This could have been a preparatory move made to use as an escape from the lynch, since it almost came down to him. In regards to the Baklava, davy: there's a part of your post I don't get:
Quote from: davy on September 19, 2017, 01:14:58 AMBlueflower had the Baklava at the end of night 1. This was confirmed by THC (the foodie). That means that the only way Blueflower can be a wolf is if he played the very risky move of keeping the Baklava night 1. Therefore, he is less likely to be a wolf than the other three (which I guess is the reason why Brainy had him claim fitness guru).
Unless there's something I'm not seeing,
why wouldn't the hungry wolf just give the baklava to the fat wolf? This would give the fat wolf an extra life in case they got lynched, making the humans waste a second lynch on him in the process. It seems like a hella safe move that would be easy to write off as "oh I just randomly received the baklava, how weird! I guess I can't be a wolf!"
E.Gadd found out THC's role after THC accidentally mentioned it in the Discord server. After thinking about it, if E.Gadd is a wolf, I think not wolfing THC would be an incredibly smart wolf strategy. Think about when this happened: THIS log, containing THC's private role reveal to E.Gadd took place last Tuesday, 9/12. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386613#msg386613) On Wednesday, 8/13, Lkjhgfdsa publicly claimed to be the Control Freak. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386272#msg386272) With two special human roles to his knowledge, lynching the public role would not only look like a typical wolf move, but it could also be used to gain THC's trust (i.e. "see, you didn't get wolf'd, I'm on
your side!" etc.). Basically THC's (a blue human's) trust and E.Gadd's humanity could be gained by not lynching THC before his role was made public.
BDS scares me right now because I don't find him suspicious, other than for the fact that he has been put into the same pool of vanilla humans/wolves. I worry that he could be playing a god-tier wolf game, but that suspicion has no basis other than past game experiences.
@BrainyQuote from: BrainyLucario on September 19, 2017, 07:24:49 AMI'd like to point out that the only real contribution Olimar has given to this game is accusations and continually saying that my humanity is off
Oh really?
Need I direct you towards my actual suspicion posts, of which none are like your and msf's lazy rip-off of what was BDS's less serious, time-crunched post:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386237#msg386237
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386597#msg386597
Logs posted:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386606#msg386606
another log is below
Logs requested:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386526#msg386526
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386550#msg386550
Trying to get activity and claim backings going in a civil way:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386555#msg386555
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386574#msg386574
Trying to get activity and claim backings in a less-than-civil way:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386577#msg386577
Me not rushing a lynch and trying to prevent KiTB's
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386237#msg386237
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386607#msg386607
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386615#msg386615
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386618#msg386618
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386623#msg386623
Need I go on?
Also, lol @ the idea that you're bad human playing makes
me a werewolf.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 19, 2017, 07:28:16 AMHe acts like he's human but unless proven otherwise, he's shown no clear initiative to find the wolves, even holding off from claiming anything to me due to the fact that as he loosely put it "it should have been obvious that I had No item, I found no use in claiming due to this."
Okay first of all everyone should be acting like a human because 1) humans are humans and 2) the wolves want to hide so that they don't die. Secondly, I've been doing more (and logically, I might add) to actually narrow down our wolves than a confirmed human such as yourself has done (see my above spoiler again if needed). Thirdly, you were unclear about your request for item claims and you made it sound like you only wanted those
with items to claim, of which I eventyually found out and claimed to you via discord that I did not have:
Logs
Public server
[8:48 AM] Prince Kay of the Milky Way: Morning Oli, give me your item claim
[8:48 AM] Fairgoer #1: Claim to the Prince.
[8:48 AM] Olimar12345: @Prince Kay of the Milky Way I think tras is referring to the messages BDS and I had last night
[8:48 AM] Trasdegi: Yes I am
[8:48 AM] Olimar12345: Also brainy quit asking publicly
DM with Brainy
[8:50 AM] Olimar12345: I don't have an item so pls stop bringing it up
[8:51 AM] BrainyLucario: I literally only brought you not claiming an item once.
[8:53 AM] Olimar12345: Saying to claim when only ppl with items should claim implies that I don't have an item, which I don't.
[8:54 AM] BrainyLucario: But, you see, if you had claimed an item, I would have known you were lying.
Too many acronyms to remember on this site. This should read:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 19, 2017, 05:18:51 PMNeed I direct you towards my actual suspicion posts, of which none are like your and thc's lazy rip-off of what was BDS's less serious, time-crunched post:
(Thanks to msf for pointing this out, but lol how did you find this before anyone playing the actual game? -___-' )
Okay, I'll bite on the Blueflower thing, that does seem like a smart move for the wolves. So, my current top 2 picks for a lynch: Olimar (Not that you did anything wrong, it's mostly just your playing style) and Blueflower
Okay why did you bold four people in your post, that's just confusing.
Firstly, yeah of course I'm not the Guru. Fake claiming it was discussed between me and Brainy and we decided that it would be best NOT to, but then he rushed into the thread and posted not to lynch me because I'm the Guru. So I just went along with it. The hope was that it would:
1. Stop me from being lynched (which it kind of did)
2. Get me wolfed instead of THC (which sadly it did not)
According to Brainy, davy was on board with me false claiming it, so I didn't see a real issue. He's obviously the real Guru.
So far, BDS, Olimar, and E Gadd are the only 3 people that are on the table for my suspicions, although I don't have much of a lead either way on them.
E Gadd's been a liiiittle quiet lately, just showing up at the end of the last day phase to sneak in a vote for Tras. Olimar and BDS have been pretty aggressive, but I don't know if anything's enough to cast a vote yet.
Can confirm
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 19, 2017, 06:02:23 PMOkay why did you bold four people in your post, that's just confusing.
Sorry, that was formatting. None were votes.
@Olimar the reason I haven't made a public claim is because it won't do anything to say "I'm a human" because everyone's human in this game. But for what it's worth, I'm human & have never had an item this entire game. Brainy can confirm this, too. In reference to your paragraph about me, that makes sense, but I'm almost not strategic enough to think up something like that. I would've gone for him as soon as I found out to prevent any alliance whatsoever from forming, simply because no one else could've done anything about it (to my knowledge?) and no one would've known he was a blue, either.
@blue I've been quiet because I've been working on article reviews, trying to finish them up (24 in total) so I could devote more time to music & storywriting (and consequently, TWG)
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 19, 2017, 06:22:43 PMSorry, that was formatting. None were votes.
That makes muuuuuch more sense, I was confused XD
With five players unconfirmed, this leaves the following ten possible wolf duos:
Trasdegi/BDS
Trasdegi/Olimar
Trasdegi/Blueflower
Trasdegi/E. Gadd
BDS/Olimar
BDS/Blueflower
BDS/E. Gadd
Olimar/Blueflower
Olimar/E. Gadd
Blueflower/E. Gadd
I find the following duos less likely:
Trasdegi/Blueflower: Blueflower voted Tras to save himself last day phase, trading a wolf for a wolf doesn't seem to be the smartest idea. Also, Tras was voting Blueflower after THC was not an option anymore, meaning that if they were partners, Tras was willing to sacrifice Blue.
BDS/Olimar: Olimar is consistently posting that he cannot imagine BDS being a wolf unless BDS is playing god tier wolf. I don't think wolf Olimar would put such certainty in his partner.
BDS/Blueflower: After THC was not a lynch option anymore, BDS went after Blueflower. I don't think wolf BDS would want to kill his partner so easily.
BDS/E. Gadd: That entire first section brought way too much attention to the two of them. Additionally, I don't think a wolf duo would have dragged out a conversation for so long and I don't think wolf BDS would have started a (a that point pretty likely to succeed) lynch on his wolf partner.
Olimar/E. Gadd: Olimar has been consistently going after E. Gadd since day 1. This one is not as unlikely as the rest of the list, since E. Gadd was never in danger of getting lynched due to Olimar's vote.
That leaves the following five wolf duos as more likely in my opinion.
Trasdegi/BDS
Trasdegi/Olimar
Trasdegi/E. Gadd
Olimar/Blueflower
Blueflower/E. Gadd
I'm going to grab lunch now. I will continue posting after that.
Wasn't E. Gadd the one who voted for Tras and sent him to his grave? He didn't have to vote for him at all
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 17, 2017, 03:16:01 PMAlso, suspicions of me are totally warranted and I understand the reasoning. Just realize that it's been a few years since I've played this game and I'm trying my best.
Let's start with this. I'm surprised that you understand the reasnoning for suspicions of you, because I sure don't. The only reasoning I have seen is that you thought BDS was needlessly dragging out the conversation with E. Gadd rather than vice versa, and I honestly agree with you. Was there some other reason why people were suspicious of you?
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 12, 2017, 03:51:39 PMDid, like, everyone skip over this post lol.
This caught my attention as well. Brainy claimed Control freak, but E. Gadd, BDS and THC were seemingly more interested in the conflict between E. Gadd and BDS. E. Gadd and BDS, why did the two of you not respond in the topic to Brainy's claim?
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 14, 2017, 08:09:16 PMThoughts at the moment:
I think it's safe to say that those leading the charge most vehemently against BrainyLucario to be the most wolfish. While it's natural to be suspicious of his actions, he was pretty clearly forcing it. Like I said earlier, he wanted himself to be lynched for some other reason, and the wolves went along with it because they get a free day. Unless the wolves are especially crafty (or inactive), they almost certainly jumped onto this bandwagon./
Thoughts?
This is a good human post. Could be a good human or a good wolf playing like a good human. Not much more to say about this.
BDS, you are playing very aggresive this game. First, that argument with E. Gadd was certainly not in human's best interest, and even though everyone seems to put the blame on E. Gadd, you could also have started contributing to the important thing at that moment, namely starting an alliance. Last phase, you have been aggressively attacking THC, and condemning THC and Brainy for their actions, which were, in my opinion, good or at least decent human plays. I do not see why such aggressive play would be neccessairy if you are human. As a wolf, however, it is benificial if humans don't trust the wolves more than the alliance, and BDS has certainly been working towards making humans not trust the alliance, and he has even succeeded in making Olimar trust him.
Then in this phase, you've made another noteworthy post:
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 19, 2017, 10:00:33 AMIMO, given this new information, I think Blueflower and Olimar are the most suspicious. At least in my opinion, the Fitness Guru is a more valuable role to the humans, so it would've been logical to assume that, if Blue was a human, and the wolf thought he was a special, Blue would've been the one wolfed (especially because of THC's earlier actions that reflected incompetency, which would benefit the wolves as well)... but, as you can see, he wasn't.
Olimar because I had though it would be logical to lynch either he or Davy regardless of what the first lynch was (as a way to play it safe), and now that we know that Davy is off the table, that, I think, puts Olimar more on the spot.
This post is just... empty? The only possible wolves among living players from human BDS's perspective are Blueflower, E. Gadd and Olimar. Saying that two out of them are most suspicious isn't really anything surprising. Then, he notes that he would have expected that blue would be wolf'd for being the better special. This reasoning is based on his own interpretation of the wolves' interpretation of the strength of the special roles, which I don't think is a really good basis for a suspicion. His suspicion for Olimar is even worse. He wanted to lynch either Olimar or me 'to play it safe', which is a bad reason on its own, and even worse considering BDS himself is a likely candidate to be lynched just 'to play it safe'.
Olimar, for starters, I'm very pleased with how you have been playing so far. Most of your posts have been helpful for driving the game further, which is not only benificial for the humans, but also for the game as a whole.
That being said, though:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 17, 2017, 07:09:37 PMNo. This is absolutely NOT how you play TWG. You have it 100% backwards. You are supposed to not give out information like that under any circumstances. The wolves know basically all of the roles now. Good job.
This post is just awful. First, it is a better play to reveal a special role (which will then get killed by the wolves), then to lynch that special. Sure, THC could have tried to make himself look less suspicious, but once the lynch was falling on him, revealing the role was a much better play then letting him get lynched. Also, after THC's reveal, and considering that there was a revive that was most likely going to be targeting Lkjhgfdsa, the wolves would be hitting a confirmed each night anyway, so confirming more humans beyond that wouldn't have helped the wolves further. Most importantly though, had you compared the number of confirmable humans to the number of remaining wolves, you should have been able to realise that we would be able to put the wolves in the situation we have now regardless of how many specials claimed as long as 1) the mocha holder would survive the night and 2) no special gets lynched during the day. I can't really say this post is indicative for you being a wolf, but what I do want to know is: why?
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 19, 2017, 05:18:51 PMBlueflower false-claimed the guru role. This could have been a preparatory move made to use as an escape from the lynch, since it almost came down to him. In regards to the Baklava, davy: there's a part of your post I don't get:Unless there's something I'm not seeing, why wouldn't the hungry wolf just give the baklava to the fat wolf? This would give the fat wolf an extra life in case they got lynched, making the humans waste a second lynch on him in the process. It seems like a hella safe move that would be easy to write off as "oh I just randomly received the baklava, how weird! I guess I can't be a wolf!"
So, this next thing is not really a suspicion, but more food for thought. When I posted the thing about the baklava, I had briefly considered other options, but didn't really think too hard about it. Here, Olimar says that it is possible that the hungry wolf gave the baklava to the fat wolf, and I must concur that that is a good strategy. However, considering Olimar suggested it, could it be that he came up with it and executed the plan himself? Olimar and Blueflower are compatible partners: Olimar didn't go for the Blueflower lynch yesterday despite being suspicious of him since day 1. Also, after some digging in the chatlog, I found this:
Spoiler
Olimar12345 - afgelopen zondag om 03:29
Hm let's see
So brainy used the item that keeps you alive
So there are three items left in play, assuming that lkjhgfdsa didn't have an item
(And odds say he didn't)
Chances are the Baklava was passed
For a second there I thought that could be used to clear a human role, but it could have also been passed to the hungry wolf as a safety precaution.
So Olimar was even aware of this strategy before I started talking about the baklava. Like I said, not really a reason to be suspicious of him, but definately food for thought.
And finally, there's this:
Spoiler
Prince Kay of the Milky Way - vandaag om 03:05
Yep
Question: did you or did you not think the Tras lynch was a good idea?
Olimar12345 - vandaag om 03:07
You can read my posts, I mentioned it pretty clearly
before all of the roles were revealed I thought it was a pretty scetchy move since there wasnt much that he did to be suspicious
Prince Kay of the Milky Way - vandaag om 03:08
(If he really was a wolf I promise not to rub it in.)
Olimar12345 - vandaag om 03:08
but now in hindsight it was probably a safer move since he was in the vanilla human/wolf pool
Once again, this is just... why? You knew Tras was in the vanilla human/wolf pool because otherwise Brainy wouldn't have voted for him. The fact that you now know that for sure shouldn't affect your opinion of the lynch.
E. Gadd contributions mostly boil down to the thing with BDS at the start, revealing the log with Brainy, figuring out that THC was a special and giving the reason for his inactivity. I have to agree though that the fact that he figured out that THC was a special is indicative of him being a human.
My leans on these four players are now as follows:
BDS: Wolf lean.
Olimar: Very slightly wolf lean.
Blueflower: Neutral.
E. Gadd: Human lean.
I'm not really inclined to vote BDS this phase seeing as he is not really compatible with any of the living players. I'd like to chat with the four of you this evening before deciding on my vote.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 20, 2017, 06:22:18 AMWasn't E. Gadd the one who voted for Tras and sent him to his grave? He didn't have to vote for him at all
Yes, but at that point it was already a kitb between Blueflower and Tras, so even if he didn't vote, Tras might have died. If your partner is at a 50/50 to die, bussing your partner isn't the worst of ideas.
I've been leaning for Olimar for a while now. So, for now. My vote will be placed on Olimar
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 20, 2017, 07:49:16 AMI've been leaning for Olimar for a while now. So, for now. My vote will be placed on Olimar
Reasoning?
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 07:52:24 AMReasoning?
Mostly for the points you mentioned. I also figure a middle of the road would be a good solid lynch
Okay, I've been rereading my pm's for a bit about the claims and whatnot and the Corndog theft that occured. Here's my theory.
What if BDS is the fat wolf? Then it wouldn't make any sense for the baklava to be passed to him night 1. The corndog was taken away Night 1, so from the wolves perspective, they wouldn't have thought to give him the baklava seeing as to their knowledge, he'd still have an item. The item then could've been kept until a second night phase and passed on to him if the item he did have happened to be taken. Davy's action to remove it from the game also put a stop to that as well. They also could've passed the baklava but what are the chances of that when they have two items at their side?
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 06:57:08 AMLet's start with this. I'm surprised that you understand the reasnoning for suspicions of you, because I sure don't. The only reasoning I have seen is that you thought BDS was needlessly dragging out the conversation with E. Gadd rather than vice versa, and I honestly agree with you. Was there some other reason why people were suspicious of you?
I mean I literally lied and claimed to be the Guru to prevent myself from being lynched in the last day phase. It's a pretty big red flag. I explained my reasoning for it earlier, but if you don't believe me and still are suspicious, I understand.
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 06:57:08 AMI'd like to chat with the four of you this evening before deciding on my vote.
Also I use Discord and Skype, usernames in my profile. I don't do group chats so don't add me to any. Feel free to message me whenever.
Changing vote to BDS
IMPORTANT LOG!!!!! Between me and blue
Spoiler
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:30 AM
Heyo
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:31 AM
안녕하세요
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:31 AM
I don't speak Korean
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:31 AM
Hiya
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:32 AM
are you Korean?
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:32 AM
Nope
Braix wanted me to learn it
so i did
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:32 AM
What a guy
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:33 AM
mhm. so, who do you recommend we lynch today?
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:33 AM
Truthfully I was thinking Olimar
But then I remembered a conversation we had closer to the start of the game
That's making me rethink
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:34 AM
What about a BDS vote? Thoughts?
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:34 AM
Likely a good choice
His behavior has felt off all game
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:35 AM
what was the conversation?
between you and olimar, that is
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:35 AM
It was back when we were all saying
Not the control freak in the thread
And you claimed control freak
But before we knew for sure that you were the only one
Remember that?
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:36 AM
did you post it? or was this private?
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:36 AM
no this was private
I can find it if you think it'd be interesting
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:37 AM
if you would plz. We need all the info we can get
TheBlueBulbear - Today at 10:37 AM
Basically at the time he hadn't claimed in the thread
And I knew that we were waiting for everyone
So I messaged him telling him that he should catch up on TWG because he hadn't posted yet
And he said something like "I haven't even read my role PM yet oops"
And I believe this statement because he had posted like
once
and it was right after the thread was made in night 1
Now if he were a wolf
He almost certainly would have gotten his role PM, a PM from his partner saying like
yo what's up
And then multiple PM's like "dude where are you we have to decide who to wolf"
But he didn't look at his PM's so that leads me to believe that he wasn't a wolf to begin with
And he only got one role PM saying "you're a human"
okay yeah whoops there was no Night 1, forgot about that
my point still stands
BrainyLucario - Today at 10:40 AM
True, and on top of that, when he was a wolf with me, we messaged each other on Discord almost instantly. So the chances that the other wolf didnt try to get into contact with him asap is a little suspicious.
Posting this info in the thread, don't think you'll object
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 20, 2017, 08:19:07 AMI mean I literally lied and claimed to be the Guru to prevent myself from being lynched in the last day phase. It's a pretty big red flag. I explained my reasoning for it earlier, but if you don't believe me and still are suspicious, I understand.
That quote was before you claimed guru, though:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386594#msg386594 (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386594#msg386594) - This is where you say you understand the reasoning for suspicions of you.
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386621#msg386621 (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386621#msg386621) - This is where Brainy claims you are the guru.
Oh oops, I was thinking of the wrong part of the game, my fault.
My reasoning back then was that I could understand why I would draw suspicions because my posts haven't been like super well put together and I wasn't as active as I thought I should have been.
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 06:57:08 AMBDS, you are playing very aggresive this game. First, that argument with E. Gadd was certainly not in human's best interest, and even though everyone seems to put the blame on E. Gadd, you could also have started contributing to the important thing at that moment, namely starting an alliance.
Again, my actions were perfectly in line with a day start game. E. Gadd overreacted, so I pursued that as a suspicion. It didn't pan out, obviously, so I'm not pursuing it any more, especially in regards to more recent information coming to light.
QuoteLast phase, you have been aggressively attacking THC, and condemning THC and Brainy for their actions, which were, in my opinion, good or at least decent human plays. I do not see why such aggressive play would be neccessairy if you are human. As a wolf, however, it is benificial if humans don't trust the wolves more than the alliance, and BDS has certainly been working towards making humans not trust the alliance, and he has even succeeded in making Olimar trust him.
I disagree with your assessment that they were good plays, and Olimar did as well; thus, I don't think I need to explain any of my resulting actions as well. I suppose that's why Olimar seems to trust me, and it seems likely that, had you been more active around that part of the game, us three would have formed a mini "trust circle" because we're the most experienced players in the game.
QuoteThis post is just... empty? The only possible wolves among living players from human BDS's perspective are Blueflower, E. Gadd and Olimar. Saying that two out of them are most suspicious isn't really anything surprising.
I don't even know what to say about that because that's the same generic argument people always seem to hit me with regardless of my role.
QuoteThen, he notes that he would have expected that blue would be wolf'd for being the better special. This reasoning is based on his own interpretation of the wolves' interpretation of the strength of the special roles, which I don't think is a really good basis for a suspicion.
I think it is; if the wolves had an item, they would want to get rid of the Fitness Guru as soon as possible so that the Fat Werewolf isn't affected, which is very likely what happened, assuming Blueflower is a wolf. The Foodie can't really harm the wolves in the same way (or in any way at all), basically being a not-very-useful seer when everybody has already claimed items. That's not really a subjective interpretation.
QuoteHis suspicion for Olimar is even worse. He wanted to lynch either Olimar or me 'to play it safe', which is a bad reason on its own, and even worse considering BDS himself is a likely candidate to be lynched just 'to play it safe'.
That's a perfectly logical argument and I've used it before (as a human) to save games where information is sparse or there is a high degree of uncertainty; I don't doubt that you should have noticed my "lynch x, then lynch y next phase to cover all our bases" strategy before?
also obviously i'm not going to recommend myself for a lynch
that's just silly
And one last thing:
QuoteThis caught my attention as well. Brainy claimed Control freak, but E. Gadd, BDS and THC were seemingly more interested in the conflict between E. Gadd and BDS. E. Gadd and BDS, why did the two of you not respond in the topic to Brainy's claim?
Because I was waiting for any counterclaims, and something else more pressing was occurring concurrently. Did you just expect me to say "Claim to Brainy!" or something when it wasn't an immediate issue that needed to be dealt with? What would you expect either of us to do in that situation; drop everything (or rather, something relevant) for Brainy's tenuous claim and
do nothing?
this is a warning. Be careful discussing role PMs and using them to make deductions. A player's supposed interaction or lack thereof with their role PM is not alignment indicative
I would love to respond to BDS's post, but I didn't see it until now, and I really need to go to sleep.
This is the awful situation where every possible lynch option just seems bad. I'll vote blueflower this phase and I'm planning to vote Olimar the day after that and BDS the day after that.
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 02:26:14 PMThis is the awful situation where every possible lynch option just seems bad.
I mean, the only lynch I genuinely and 100% support is a blueflower lynch. Olimar is just a deduction/"cover our bases" kind of lynch to me. Like I said, if you weren't confirmed, I'd probably (probably?) have picked you over Olimar to be the wolf out of you two.
Going to stick my vote on BDS then. I already explained my reasoning for Olimar and I'm stuck between the two remaining, so I'll just go with the more aggressive choice.
As they would say on LLF: (https://last-life.net/forums/images/smilies/face_morton2.gif)
Blueflower
Guess there's no chance to defend myself to Davy, waited all day and got no messages on Discord or anywhere else. So much for "I want to chat with you this evening before deciding my vote." At least talk to the person you're going to vote for. :-\
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't have all the time in the world right now, but here are several responses to some more recent posts:
@E.Gadd
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 19, 2017, 07:42:42 PM@Olimar the reason I haven't made a public claim is because it won't do anything to say "I'm a human" because everyone's human in this game. But for what it's worth, I'm human & have never had an item this entire game. Brainy can confirm this, too. In reference to your paragraph about me, that makes sense, but I'm almost not strategic enough to think up something like that. I would've gone for him as soon as I found out to prevent any alliance whatsoever from forming, simply because no one else could've done anything about it (to my knowledge?) and no one would've known he was a blue, either.
Duh, I was just organizing all players, dead or alive. I wasn't implying in any way that you were any more or less suspicious due to a lack of a claim.
@davy:
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 06:57:08 AMThis post is just... empty? The only possible wolves among living players from human BDS's perspective are Blueflower, E. Gadd and Olimar. Saying that two out of them are most suspicious isn't really anything surprising. Then, he notes that he would have expected that blue would be wolf'd for being the better special. This reasoning is based on his own interpretation of the wolves' interpretation of the strength of the special roles, which I don't think is a really good basis for a suspicion. His suspicion for Olimar is even worse. He wanted to lynch either Olimar or me 'to play it safe', which is a bad reason on its own, and even worse considering BDS himself is a likely candidate to be lynched just 'to play it safe'.
This is interesting. I didn't really read into this much when it was posted, so I'll have to go check that out again.
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 06:57:08 AMThis post is just awful. First, it is a better play to reveal a special role (which will then get killed by the wolves), then to lynch that special. Sure, THC could have tried to make himself look less suspicious, but once the lynch was falling on him, revealing the role was a much better play then letting him get lynched. Also, after THC's reveal, and considering that there was a revive that was most likely going to be targeting Lkjhgfdsa, the wolves would be hitting a confirmed each night anyway, so confirming more humans beyond that wouldn't have helped the wolves further. Most importantly though, had you compared the number of confirmable humans to the number of remaining wolves, you should have been able to realise that we would be able to put the wolves in the situation we have now regardless of how many specials claimed as long as 1) the mocha holder would survive the night and 2) no special gets lynched during the day. I can't really say this post is indicative for you being a wolf, but what I do want to know is: why?
I think the context is important to consider for this post of mine. At the time I was just getting frustrated that we were needing to resort to public claims to save the specials rather than people playing the game correctly. An example is below:
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 16, 2017, 04:43:12 PMI'm getting A bad suspicion on Tras. Mostly for his post in the discord server. Saying we should pick someone to lynch randomly. Blue also marks me as suspicious but that's mostly due to the fact that they fake claimed to me and admitted it whenever I was pretending to be the Control Freak
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 16, 2017, 06:01:25 PMBrainy post the discord log you're referring to for tras.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 16, 2017, 07:40:34 PMActually nevermind, I think that was just a joke.
Just an over abundance of misleading lynch posts from the specials and confirmd's imo. Regarding the good in this scenario, I actually did acknowledge it in my next substantial post after having more time to sit down and think about things:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 19, 2017, 05:18:51 PM...Looking on the bright side of our info leakage, we can use this to narrow down who to safely lynch.
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 06:57:08 AMOnce again, this is just... why? You knew Tras was in the vanilla human/wolf pool because otherwise Brainy wouldn't have voted for him. The fact that you now know that for sure shouldn't affect your opinion of the lynch.
Times change. My lack of suspicion on Tras was higher at the beginning of the phase. Of course as the specials were revealed one-by-one, the odds of Tras being a wolf increased. I would just like to remind you that the other options I suggested were already suspicious due to other reasons, so in my opinion at that time they were still better options.
Also, I still don't think we should be forgetting about E.gadd (since there seems to not be as much mention of him in these last posts). I don't really have much more to say about him since my last post (since he hasn't said much since then), so I'll just post a link to that for those of you who might not have read it:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386707#msg386707
I'm on the fence between E.Gadd and Blueflower again, and while I would like to hold off on voting for a little while until I have more time to get into this, I'll place my vote on
Blueflower now jic I don't get the time to come back before the phase ends. I would be open to a future BDS lynch if the argument there was or becomes stronger. Finally, and not to sound narcissistic, I feel like I've been playing a rather logical game thus far. Being a vanilla human with no item is a pretty generic role though, so while I wouldn't agree with or advise it, I'd understand if I was chosen to be lynched.
Current vote count:
Blueflower: 3 (BDS, davy, Olimar)
BDS: 2 (Blue, Brainy)
Bbl
ty olimar
if this doesn't end the game i'll still try to lynch you tho
Davy, isn't it odd that two vanilla humans are voting for blue?
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 20, 2017, 04:41:46 PMDavy, isn't it odd that two vanilla humans are voting for blue?
No? I already made my intention to vote for Blue fairly clear, and while I suppose Olimar's vote
might be a little odd, I'm willing to disregard unless we find out Blue isn't a wolf or the game otherwise doesn't end.
Truthfully I see either BDS or Olimar (or both) just trying to bandwagon on Davy's "I have to go to bed so I'll just vote Blue for now." type thing. Neither are providing really good reasoning for doing so without an excuse like Davy's.
You guys are making it too easy to procrastinate getting actual work done.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 20, 2017, 04:41:46 PMDavy, isn't it odd that two vanilla humans are voting for blue?
Not to answer for Davy, but like regardless of who it is, a non-confirmed human is dying tonight. You could raise that argument on anyone I or BDS votes for.
@Blue and BDS pls see my suspicion posts as this is nowhere near the first time I've suggested a bluefowerlynch.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 20, 2017, 04:57:50 PMYou guys are making it too easy to procrastinate getting actual work done.
^^^
Quote@Blue and BDS pls see my suspicion posts as this is nowhere near the first time I've suggested a bluefowerlynch.
i said "might"
Which is why I think he's not the wolf
The wolves are probably bandwagoning on this is what Im saying
I'm tempted to agree. Assuming I'm a wolf, either the game ends after you lynch me, or some other player should be advocating for me (besides Brainy, who's a confirmed human). So, I have to ask, if I'm a wolf, who is/was my partner, and why?
Additionally, if you lynch me, and the game doesn't end (which it won't), what's the next step?
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 20, 2017, 06:43:17 PMif I'm a wolf, who is/was my partner, and why?
Probably Tras.
QuoteAdditionally, if you lynch me, and the game doesn't end (which it won't), what's the next step?
Probably lynch Olimar, which is something I've said before.
I voted to lynch Tras though.
Oooooo lotsa stuff has happened and my head is spinninggggg...
Hoo boy... so what's the vote count? Lemme go and tally it up, and I'll respond to Shtuff momentarily. While I do all this, is there anything specific people want me to address?
Votes:
3- blueflower
2- BDS
Whale foo. My inclinations say BDS, but if I go with BDS, it'll be a KitB. But I also think blue isn't so suspicious as BDS, meaning I don't quite want him to die yet. AUGHHHHHH
I responded to Brainy in the discord server, but I'll put it here too:
Bandwagoning is voting for a player just because somebody else is voting for them. Your implications of BDS and I casting bandwagon votes isn't convincing because we've both expressed reasons for our vote in addition to having a history with said suspicions.
@davy I never reacted to Brainy's claim because I wasn't quite sure how to react, and decided against it in the face of the current circumstances (my thing with BDS).
Hmmmmm.....
Oh, right, I never explained my BDS rationale. Brainy seemed pretty legit with his reasoning behind the Baklava v. Corn Dog stuff. Tbh, I still think it's Olimar (from reasons explained), HOWEVER, seeing as that vote won't contribute to anything, I'm going to go reassess the blue accusations once more, and go from there. Safety on E. Gadd Industries in case I don't get back.
@Olimar I didn't imply anything?
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 20, 2017, 07:31:03 PM@davy I never reacted to Brainy's claim because I wasn't quite sure how to react, and decided against it in the face of the current circumstances (my thing with BDS).
Hmmmmm.....
Oh, right, I never explained my BDS rationale. Brainy seemed pretty legit with his reasoning behind the Baklava v. Corn Dog stuff. Tbh, I still think it's Olimar (from reasons explained), HOWEVER, seeing as that vote won't contribute to anything, I'm going to go reassess the blue accusations once more, and go from there. Safety on E. Gadd Industries in case I don't get back.
Again, if you want to talk about anything, contact info is in my profile.
The big thing here is that the only thing I'm finding against blueflower is the thing where he was against BDS over me. And while that makes sense, that is only one thing.
@egadd: that response was to brainy's "looks like bandwagoning" post. That should have been obvious.
@Blue: perhaps you could help yourself to the group chat rather than beg for individuals. Really not sure why this is even remotely a big deal.
@Olimar: oooooo oops. Sorry about that
*sighhhh* I wish I didn't have to be asleep in 16 minutes (strict parents are the best, no?). This really stinks. I'm in a crappy situation, and no matter what I do, I'm screwed. Either personally or by others. :///////////// I'm so going to regret this later on...
BDS
This makes it random.
Blueflower999 has been lynched. It is now Night 3. Night 3 ends in 48 hours on September 23 at 12:00 AM Central Time.
\o/
Sorry Olimar. You're next, I guess.
Okay, E. Gadd, BDS and Olimar, the three of you are the last unconfirmed players remaining. Each of you should convince the confirmed human that the other two are more likely to be a wolf than you (or that you are less likely to be a wolf than the other two). If you do so before this phase ends, the wolfing target can have a say in it as well.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:36:31 PMAgain, my actions were perfectly in line with a day start game. E. Gadd overreacted, so I pursued that as a suspicion. It didn't pan out, obviously, so I'm not pursuing it any more, especially in regards to more recent information coming to light.
Ok, fair.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:36:31 PMI disagree with your assessment that they were good plays, and Olimar did as well; thus, I don't think I need to explain any of my resulting actions as well.
However, Olimar explained here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386773#msg386773) that his response came from his frustration at that time. He later acknowledged that the special claims were helping the humans.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:36:31 PMI suppose that's why Olimar seems to trust me, and it seems likely that, had you been more active around that part of the game, us three would have formed a mini "trust circle" because we're the most experienced players in the game.
Why the hell would I agree to that "trust circle"? Since the three of us are most experienced, that is just an invitation for one of us to go unnoticed when they are a wolf. I don't see why you should trust experienced players more than inexperienced players. In fact, I think that you should trust experienced players less than inexperienced players because experienced players are better at hiding their wolfishness.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:36:31 PMI think it is; if the wolves had an item, they would want to get rid of the Fitness Guru as soon as possible so that the Fat Werewolf isn't affected, which is very likely what happened, assuming Blueflower is a wolf. The Foodie can't really harm the wolves in the same way (or in any way at all), basically being a not-very-useful seer when everybody has already claimed items. That's not really a subjective interpretation.
Ok, fair.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:36:31 PMThat's a perfectly logical argument and I've used it before (as a human) to save games where information is sparse or there is a high degree of uncertainty; I don't doubt that you should have noticed my "lynch x, then lynch y next phase to cover all our bases" strategy before?
I noticed it. It only works however if you are a confirmed human or if you include yourself in the cover your bases strategy (like how tras voted himself two games ago). If you try to cover all bases under the assumption that you are a human while you might as well be a wolf, you are not really covering all bases, thus it is a bad strategy.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:36:31 PMalso obviously i'm not going to recommend myself for a lynch
that's just silly
I'm not saying you should have recommended yourself for a lynch, I'm saying you shouldn't use such a bad reasoning for a lynch when the same bad reasoning can be used against you.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 12:36:31 PMBecause I was waiting for any counterclaims, and something else more pressing was occurring concurrently. Did you just expect me to say "Claim to Brainy!" or something when it wasn't an immediate issue that needed to be dealt with? What would you expect either of us to do in that situation; drop everything (or rather, something relevant) for Brainy's tenuous claim and do nothing?
No, I expect you to do the same thing I did: ask for players to claim not control freak, as is standard protocol. You didn't need to drop everything, you could have done that in the same post as where you were replying to E. Gadd or you could have made an additional post.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 20, 2017, 06:56:07 PMProbably Tras.
From your perspective, Tras should be literally the worst possible partner for blueflower. I'm not surprised you didn't answer blueflowers why question.
My main argument against you is this: You have been claiming that you are a veteran player and that therefore your actions are correct, but your actions are unfitting for a veteran player. And since you are not nocturne (who does this shit all the time), the only reason why I would see you do this is to undermine the authority of the confirmed humans and get the unconfirmed humans on your side, which is something that would benifit a wolf much more than a human.
And now I'm really salty that I didn't vote BDS last phase.
I told you
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 21, 2017, 02:53:22 AMI told you
You told us what? There are no cardflips, so for all you know blueflower could have been the
first wolf to get lynched. Please try to consider more than one possibility rather than be more eager to condem based on others.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 20, 2017, 07:47:56 PM@Olimar: oooooo oops. Sorry about that
*sighhhh* I wish I didn't have to be asleep in 16 minutes (strict parents are the best, no?). This really stinks. I'm in a crappy situation, and no matter what I do, I'm screwed. Either personally or by others. :///////////// I'm so going to regret this later on...
BDS
This makes it random.
I'll make a fancier post later, but egadd last-seconding a KiTB should not be overlooked.
Me acknowledging my alive-ness.
I have a Discord log that shows sorta how I feel about everything -
Mafia Server - #twg_xcvi-great_minnesota_get_together
[20 September 2017, EST]
BlackDragonSlayer - Yesterday at 8:13 PM
| @Lkjhgfdsa_77 Any input on this matter? I'll be leaving in a couple minutes to go get dinner, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about all this.
| Especially because Brainy won't say anything and Davy is away.
Lkjhgfdsa_77 - Yesterday at 8:23 PM
| uhh
| to be honest I really lost track of everything after I died
| I read through all of the posts just to be up to date
| if my claims can help, let me know
| also, imo blue claiming guru for like a day then coming back was pretty sketchy
| as in retracting the claim
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 8:31 PM
| It was a false claim used to avoid being lynched. He said somewhere that the intention was to help get himself wolf'd over thc, (which didn't work) but
| take from that what you will.
Lkjhgfdsa_77 - Yesterday at 8:34 PM
| I know what it was
| it just seemed a little suspicious
I've been thinking about the Blue thing though... It seems less suspicious knowing that Brainy talked to him and that it was a move for the humans, although it didn't exactly pan out.
@Olimar Yeah it shouldn't be overlooked, just like everything else in the game:
-I wasn't around until right near the end due to church & homework
-The whole lynching situation was bad either way, and my leanings toward both made me a victim of circumstance
-I wasn't going to just vote with the majority to prevent a KitB, and likewise I wasn't going to just sit there with a safety on myself while a person I didn't want to be lynched quite yet be lynched
Olimar, I swear if you keep trying to push for an E. Gadd lynch I'm voting for you next phase
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 21, 2017, 05:26:40 AMOlimar, I swear if you keep trying to push for an E. Gadd lynch I'm voting for you next phase
You seem to be very certain that E. Gadd is human. Could you explain why that is?
Quote from: davy on September 21, 2017, 06:33:07 AMYou seem to be very certain that E. Gadd is human. Could you explain why that is?
He's spent a lot of time discussing with me IRL about the game. Even pointing out Info that I failed to see. He's gone through too much trouble to be a wolf. Plus may I also remind you that Both Olimar and BDS may be wolves. So if they both go after E. Gadd. He also hasn't done anything to spark my suspicion, or anyone else's if I'm being honest, yet Olimar still thinks it better to lynch him over BDS
Plus might I add he usually posts his vote late, showing no real time deviation. And there is literally still 3 hours till phase end for his votes, so he's not really sneaking in at the last second. Which is why I believe this should be cleared of suspicion.
At the risk of sounding like a douche, I'm working full time as a teacher while still having college assignments. We're all busy.
I'll post more when I get on a computer.
Quote from: davy on September 21, 2017, 01:44:25 AMHowever, Olimar explained here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386773#msg386773) that his response came from his frustration at that time. He later acknowledged that the special claims were helping the humans.
QuoteAt the time I was just getting frustrated that we were needing to resort to public claims to save the specials rather than people playing the game correctly
That doesn't seem like it disagrees with anything I said.
QuoteWhy the hell would I agree to that "trust circle"? Since the three of us are most experienced, that is just an invitation for one of us to go unnoticed when they are a wolf. I don't see why you should trust experienced players more than inexperienced players. In fact, I think that you should trust experienced players less than inexperienced players because experienced players are better at hiding their wolfishness.
It's in quotes for a reason, though I probably should have said "trust" circle instead because, rather, I was referring to the fact that we would all know that we're competent players, and thus, we would be more likely to cooperate with each other versus players who might have no idea what we're talking about in certain situations. Also, given the fact that I am advocating lynching Olimar right now, I don't think that would have somehow make any one of us less likely to be detected as a wolf by the others (if anything the other way around since there likely would have been more conversation going on outside of the little bits in the public chat).
QuoteI noticed it. It only works however if you are a confirmed human or if you include yourself in the cover your bases strategy (like how tras voted himself two games ago). If you try to cover all bases under the assumption that you are a human while you might as well be a wolf, you are not really covering all bases, thus it is a bad strategy.
I'm not saying you should have recommended yourself for a lynch, I'm saying you shouldn't use such a bad reasoning for a lynch when the same bad reasoning can be used against you.
Again, like I said:
1. I wouldn't advocate for my own lynch, so from my perspective, it's a sound argument.
2. I think I've been fairly human (or at the
very least, neutral) throughout the game, with the only slight against me being the same argument that people keep lobbing at me regardless of my role.
QuoteNo, I expect you to do the same thing I did: ask for players to claim not control freak, as is standard protocol. You didn't need to drop everything, you could have done that in the same post as where you were replying to E. Gadd or you could have made an additional post.
I had assumed that would have been fairly self-explanatory, but then again, maybe I'm just too used to procedure.
QuoteMy main argument against you is this: You have been claiming that you are a veteran player and that therefore your actions are correct, but your actions are unfitting for a veteran player.
I disagree with that conclusion! I don't think I've done anything out of line for what would be expected of me!
QuoteAnd since you are not nocturne (who does this shit all the time), the only reason why I would see you do this is to undermine the authority of the confirmed humans and get the unconfirmed humans on your side, which is something that would benifit a wolf much more than a human.
The only (reasonable) comparison I could see to Noc is what happened toward the beginning of the game, but then again, I've already talked about that. All of my other actions, I feel, are equally justified, especially my reactions to what I considered to be bad play on the part of others.
Why is this phase 48 hours?
So that it ends Friday night instead of Thursday night
y tho
Highly unnecessary imo.
I guess it makes sense: more day phase on a weekend = more activity, ig
But what do I know?
Weekends start on Friday though, so there goes that day :/
I think we've gotten pretty much all the necessary discussion taken care of (at least, I've said what I wanted to say, and I don't think anybody else wants to add to what they've already said), and now I have a huge gap of time available that I probably won't have over the weekend.
ninja'd
So that I don't have to stay up on a random thursday
Gives you guys a chance to breathe and look over the thread again without worrying about New action
this blows
^^^
worst host
Riot?
i legit think noc actually made a mistake by making the phase this long and is trying to cover for himself by saying it was intentional
I legit think you're wrong
lickysomething has died. It is now day 4. Day 4 ends in 24 hours, on September 24 at 12:00 AM CST, regardless of when the actual update comes.
•BrainyLucario
•ThatHiddenCharacter
•Trasdegi
•davy
•BlackDragonSlayer
•Olimar12345
•BlueFlower
•E. Gadd Industries
•Lkjhgfdsa_77
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on September 22, 2017, 10:53:13 PMI legit think you're wrong
idk maybe
Quotelickysomething has died.
who now
QuoteDay 4 ends in 24 hours
what now
BDS
Wow, talk about unlucky. I mean as a confirmed human he basically had a target on his head but lol @ getting wolf'd twice in one game. They must really not like him lol.
I'll post in a bit my spiel about suspicions and votes, but we're really just playing the process of elimination game at this point.
We're playing a dangerous game at this point, because if there are 2 wolves, one mislynch and we lose
TWC Post
Nocturne, day phases need to be at least close to 48 hours. I understand that you have problems ending the phase late outside of the weekends, so I suggest you change the phase end time to a time more convenient for you. Tras is already dead, and I don't feel like waking up at 7 to catch the phase update anyway.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2017, 09:02:06 AMwell ok then
guess my earlier post means nothing
Honestly, to me I don't really think your earlier post means anything. We are disagreeing about your playstyle this game which I described as wolfish while you see it as normal BDS playstyle. I don't think either of us are going to convince the other.
Additionally, I see no reason to vote Olimar or E. Gadd over you. Neither of them has done anything that stands out as wolfish in my idea, and E. Gadd has that thing about THC pointing towards his humanity.
Also, I've really been enjoying Olimar's suspicion lists and other relevant posts, which is why I want to keep him alive for the final phase.
Quote from: davy on September 23, 2017, 11:00:27 AMWe are disagreeing about your playstyle this game which I described as wolfish while you see it as normal BDS playstyle. I don't think either of us are going to convince the other.
I'm telling you though: stuff like this happens all the time regardless of my role. That's a fact. I'm not sure how that makes me any more wolfish than Olimar (I agree with you on E. Gadd, hence why I want to lynch Olimar).
Sooo... is the phase not ending at midnight anymore?
Thoughts coming in a sec
My thoughts: There isn't much I have to say at the moment, other than I am mostly split in my suspicions between Olimar and BDS. And for the same reasons as before, as none of my suspicions have really been changed. My thing is this: I'm leaning more in favour of Olimar as a lynch candidate than BDS, given that BDS's argument with myself makes sense in the context of himself being a human making a joke. Olimar, however, seems reluctant to let it go despite the fact that both BDS and I have explained it many times. So as of now, I am inclined to vote for Olimar unless someone persuades otherwise.
BDS mostly due to the off vibe you give me and the lingering suspicion that you're the fat werewolf and blue was the hungry one
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 23, 2017, 03:38:27 PMI am inclined to vote for Olimar unless someone persuades otherwise.
Speaking of which:
OlimarI predict Olimar will vote for me in response, but, oh well.
ninja'd
T_T
BDS, this is usually the time where you persuade me to change my vote.
Whale, we could have an insta which would end the phase early. I'm refraining from voting just so nothing final happens yet
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 23, 2017, 03:39:46 PMBDS mostly due to the off vibe you give me and the lingering suspicion that you're the fat werewolf and blue was the hungry one
like literally what
doesn't being a vanilla human who got an item make much more sense than being a wolf who got one
i can't remember if noc even clarified that the wolves could start with an item or not
why does my item have anything to do with being a wolf anyway
stop being so ridiculous
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 23, 2017, 03:41:22 PMBDS, this is usually the time where you persuade me to change my vote.
I can't when you're acting so unreasonable and charging right ahead with things despite the fact that everything you're saying is so illogical!
Does, like, nobody still think E.Gadd is suspicious except me? Because it seems like he's not even being considered even though he's got the same odds of being a wolf as BDS and I do...
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 23, 2017, 03:48:40 PMDoes, like, nobody still think E.Gadd is suspicious except me? Because it seems like he's not even being considered even though he's got the same odds of being a wolf as BDS and I do...
I don't think he's a wolf. I think he definitely would have wolfed THC if he knew he was a special.
Maybe I'm underestimating E. Gadd, but I don't think he would have thought to keep THC alive to make himself more human. I can't remember a time when that was a thing that actually happened in a game (keeping a special alive expressly for the purpose of looking human, unless it was an obvious ruse), now that I think of it. I mean, he could have kept THC alive for completely different reasons, but then again, that would still just be grasping at straws for us.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2017, 03:52:11 PMI can't remember a time when that was a thing that actually happened in a game (keeping a special alive expressly for the purpose of looking human, unless it was an obvious ruse), now that I think of it.
To clarify, this refers to when the person who's a special (or pretending to be one) knows that the wolf knows they're a special, not when the wolves (correctly or randomly) guess who a special is and wolfs them.
@Olimar I don't guess so, dealing with the whole THC thing. But I am still unconfirmed, so I have that small chance that I'm fooling everyone and playing better than I ever have before.
@BDS Brainy is referring to the whole corn-dog thing. I'm pretty sure wolves can obtain items, but I'll go back to review that in the game post
Ninja'd x2
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 23, 2017, 03:52:11 PMI don't think he's a wolf. I think he definitely would have wolfed THC if he knew he was a special. Maybe I'm underestimating E. Gadd, but I don't think he would have thought to keep THC alive to make himself more human. I can't remember a time when that was a thing that actually happened in a game (keeping a special alive expressly for the purpose of looking human, unless it was an obvious ruse), now that I think of it. I mean, he could have kept THC alive for completely different reasons, but then again, that would still just be grasping at straws for us.
Under the circumstances though it would make waaay more sense to save THC for the next night. Lkjhgfdsa was getting claims that night and was publicly known, so e.gadd and his partner could have easily seen that as night 2 plan.
Ninja'd
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 23, 2017, 03:57:25 PM@BDS Brainy is referring to the whole corn-dog thing. I'm pretty sure wolves can obtain items, but I'll go back to review that in the game post
Yeah, I knew that. I don't know why you thought I didn't. :P
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 23, 2017, 03:58:07 PMUnder the circumstances though it would make waaay more sense to save THC for the next night. Lkjhgfdsa was getting claims that night and was publicly known, so e.gadd and his partner could have easily seen that as night 2 plan.
Ninja'd
Fair enough. But does that make E. Gadd any more likely to wolf THC the next night than anyone else? If anything, that
might indicate a blueflower/E. Gadd pairing. Also, considering the number of confirmed humans, I don't doubt that bussing might actually be a viable strategy without cardflipping (did E. Gadd vote for blue? I can't remember; I'm too busy for remembering! :P), because if one of the partners picks up suspicion, the other could vote for them to reduce their number of logical pairings.
Just reviewed the game post, and it explicitly states that the
Hungry werewolf cannot receive a random item (because Baklava), but the Fat werewolf does not have such a specification
Dang, I keep getting ninja'd
@BDS Idk, just responding to your response XD
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 23, 2017, 03:58:07 PMUnder the circumstances though it would make waaay more sense to save THC for the next night. Lkjhgfdsa was getting claims that night and was publicly known, so e.gadd and his partner could have easily seen that as night 2 plan.
I guess I'll combine this with the above post. I'll be straight up honest here, I wouldn't've thought about that unless my partner had more experience. Thinking like a wolf, I would've gone for THC because he wasn't publicly known to be a blue, so less awareness of hitting a big role
@BDS I voted for you, making KitB
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 23, 2017, 04:03:46 PM@BDS I voted for you, making KitB
I suppose that might make you a viable partner for Blueflower, then. Thoughts, anybody else?
Not necessarily. E. Gadd's uncertainty on who to vote for isn't that suspicious given the circumstances
Safety on Me
I've already discussed the thing that BDS said in Discord, but I'll put it here: I just thought BDS was more suspicious than Blueflower, and quite frankly, this is just because he and Brainy had cooked up this scheme to keep davy out of wolf-fire by having Blue falseclaim to be Blue
Phase has been extended for 18 hours
TBH, I don't think their is much to talk about now. It's mostly just a non confirmed elimination. Which is why I'm voting for Olimar
why did you suddenly change your mind
Reasons. mostly due to the fact that I find Olimar's constant finger pointing at E. Gadd as a bit more suspicious. It's also based on some past games and stuff that he's been in
Why is it suspicious that I keep e.gadd in mind? There's a 1/3 chance that we could lynch both BDS and myself and still lose the game. Like I've said before, I think you're letting personal feelings skewer your common sense and good judgement here. Just because he's your friend doesn't mean he cannot be a wolf, especially when there is potential circumstantial evidence in that favor.
You see it's not personal feelings that dictate my opinion on if he's a wolf. It's his actions and his way of doing things that make me think he's more human than the rest of you. Davy even thinks he has a human lean
First of all, davy did not say that he thought E.Gadd had a human lean. All Davy said in his most recent post was that he would rather vote BDS over egadd and myself.
Secondly, "even ___ thinks he's a human" while incorrect, is still not helpful. You're piggybacking off of (what would be) his suspicion. Think for yourself!
The difference here is that Davy can explain what he thinks and back it up with quotes and actions, etc. All you ever seem to post is the "I agree" or "for personal reasons" bit.
I'll be on my pc in a bit to make what might be my final suspicion post, then hopefully vote. I would recommend removing one of your votes on me so that I don't get wolf-rushed before then.
Quote from: davy on September 20, 2017, 06:57:08 AMMy leans on these four players are now as follows:
BDS: Wolf lean.
Olimar: Very slightly wolf lean.
Blueflower: Neutral.
E. Gadd: Human lean.
@Olimar
I'll just save you lynch for next day phase, BDS sorry pal.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
y tho
yeah
and i'm using process of elimination too
so i don't get why you pick me instead of somebody else
speaking of which i might change my vote to e. gadd anyway
Why?
I think you and Blueflower could easily make viable partners; plus, the reason why I thought you were human isn't really as valid any more given what Olimar already mentioned earlier (i.e. THC probably wasn't the definitely optimal wolfing that night anyway, so if you already knew he was a special, it wouldn't matter anyway).
Your reasoning is just as valid now as it was before Olimar mentioned the whole THC thing, but as I said, I would've targeted him first anyways, so he would've gone silently without anyone knowing. Idk how experienced blueflower is with being a wolf (assuming he was), but (projecting myself as a wolf) things wouldn't've changed unless he talked me out of it.
A lot of this has already been said, so I'll quote the old stuff in with the new(er) stuff.
Reasons to lynch E.Gadd:-The dead horse that was the E.Gadd-BDS bit that made E.Gadd look super desperate for a BDS lynch:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 12, 2017, 07:22:48 PMEgadd - Pointlessly dragging out that convo on pages 2-3 with BDS was pointless banter, like he was just stirring up shit just to stir shit. Suspicious.
noticeable quotes
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 12, 2017, 02:11:24 PM@BDS so what qualifies you to be a veteran, first of all? And secondly, why should I be inclined to follow your instincts? Just because you may be a veteran doesn't mean you're instantly human.
Also,1. But at the VERY beginning with little/no base behind the vote?
ex. of pointlessness.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 12, 2017, 02:01:09 PMThat's a thing people do in day start games. Speaking of, E. Gadd...
Doubting/needlessly questioning a TWG veteran (with a couple day start games played as well), followed up by making a random, irrelevant post? Not looking too good for you. This, at least, is a somewhat more serious vote than the last.
nail on the head (and a good tl;dr)
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 17, 2017, 06:22:35 PMIt's because it was such a gross misunderstanding that spanned a page and a half, and nothing else can rival it in size. Just because you realize now that it was a mistake doesn't mean it didn't happen lol. This is a game where we can only analyze what you post, after all, and with a lot of posts questioning BDS's ability to play TWG it looked like you were trying to create drama to lynch him for.
-Not wolfing THC immediately was a good wolf move, as said before:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 19, 2017, 05:18:51 PME.Gadd found out THC's role after THC accidentally mentioned it in the Discord server. After thinking about it, if E.Gadd is a wolf, I think not wolfing THC would be an incredibly smart wolf strategy. Think about when this happened: THIS log, containing THC's private role reveal to E.Gadd took place last Tuesday, 9/12. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386613#msg386613) On Wednesday, 8/13, Lkjhgfdsa publicly claimed to be the Control Freak. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386272#msg386272) With two special human roles to his knowledge, lynching the public role would not only look like a typical wolf move, but it could also be used to gain THC's trust (i.e. "see, you didn't get wolf'd, I'm on your side!" etc.). Basically THC's (a blue human's) trust and E.Gadd's humanity could be gained by not lynching THC before his role was made public.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 23, 2017, 03:58:07 PMUnder the circumstances though it would make waaay more sense to save THC for the next night. Lkjhgfdsa was getting claims that night and was publicly known, so e.gadd and his partner could have easily seen that as night 2 plan.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 23, 2017, 04:03:46 PMI'll be straight up honest here, I wouldn't've thought about that unless my partner had more experience. Thinking like a wolf, I would've gone for THC because he wasn't publicly known to be a blue, so less awareness of hitting a big role
This is a legitimate possibility; your potential wolf partner probably made that call lol.
-Got defensive when he thought I was insinuating that he was suspicious because he hadn't publicly claimed human, which I wasn't: (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386707#msg386707)
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 19, 2017, 07:42:42 PM@Olimar the reason I haven't made a public claim is because it won't do anything to say "I'm a human" because everyone's human in this game. But for what it's worth, I'm human & have never had an item this entire game. Brainy can confirm this, too. In reference to your paragraph about me, that makes sense, but I'm almost not strategic enough to think up something like that. I would've gone for him as soon as I found out to prevent any alliance whatsoever from forming, simply because no one else could've done anything about it (to my knowledge?) and no one would've known he was a blue, either.
-Last-second insta'd Tras to save blueflower. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386634#msg386634)
-This right here:
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 23, 2017, 03:38:27 PMMy thoughts: There isn't much I have to say at the moment, other than I am mostly split in my suspicions between Olimar and BDS. And for the same reasons as before, as none of my suspicions have really been changed. My thing is this: I'm leaning more in favour of Olimar as a lynch candidate than BDS, given that BDS's argument with myself makes sense in the context of himself being a human making a joke. Olimar, however, seems reluctant to let it go despite the fact that both BDS and I have explained it many times. So as of now, I am inclined to vote for Olimar unless someone persuades otherwise.
For starters, no shit you're "stuck between BDS and Olimar," because besides yourself these are the only options. Like, what a pointless post. Secondly, you still seem to think that just because you screwed up early on that because you recognize it and say "oops sry mbad" we should all disregard it. I've already commented on this, but you suspecting me of being a wolf for not forgetting a mistake of yours like this looks more like you trying to cover your tracks rather than to kill a wolf.
Reasons to lynch BDS:-His playstyle. He's usually careful and doesn't fuck up as a wolf, at least in the games I've played with him (like Get in the Fucking Bag, in which he also didn't get found out until the end).
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 19, 2017, 05:18:51 PMBDS scares me right now because I don't find him suspicious, other than for the fact that he has been put into the same pool of vanilla humans/wolves. I worry that he could be playing a god-tier wolf game, but that suspicion has no basis other than past game experiences.
So he could be playing really well and I'm just not good enough to pick up on anything from him.
Reasons not to lynch me:Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 19, 2017, 05:18:51 PMQuote from: BrainyLucario on September 19, 2017, 07:24:49 AMI'd like to point out that the only real contribution Olimar has given to this game is accusations and continually saying that my humanity is off
Oh really?
Need I direct you towards my actual suspicion posts, of which none are like your and msf's lazy rip-off of what was BDS's less serious, time-crunched post:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386237#msg386237
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386597#msg386597
Logs posted:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386606#msg386606
another log is below
Logs requested:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386526#msg386526
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386550#msg386550
Trying to get activity and claim backings going in a civil way:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386555#msg386555
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386574#msg386574
Trying to get activity and claim backings in a less-than-civil way:
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386577#msg386577
Me not rushing a lynch and trying to prevent KiTB's
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386237#msg386237
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386607#msg386607
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386615#msg386615
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386618#msg386618
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9644.msg386623#msg386623
Need I go on?
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 24, 2017, 10:29:38 AM@Olimar
Whoops, I thought he was referring to this:
Quote from: davy on September 23, 2017, 11:00:27 AMHonestly, to me I don't really think your earlier post means anything. We are disagreeing about your playstyle this game which I described as wolfish while you see it as normal BDS playstyle. I don't think either of us are going to convince the other.
Additionally, I see no reason to vote Olimar or E. Gadd over you. Neither of them has done anything that stands out as wolfish in my idea, and E. Gadd has that thing about THC pointing towards his humanity. Also, I've really been enjoying Olimar's suspicion lists and other relevant posts, which is why I want to keep him alive for the final phase.
Current vote count:
BDS 2 (davy, Brainy)
Olimar 1 (BDS)
E.Gadd 1 (Olimar)
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 24, 2017, 01:40:37 PMspeaking of which i might change my vote to e. gadd anyway
I mean, there are already two votes on me, so I guess I don't have anything to lose.
E. Gadd
And why should I vote for myself or create a KitB for which I could be killed, y'know?
Self-preservation dictates that I should vote BDS
Lemme finish what I'm doing and I'll give a response to Olimar's stuff (I have an Academic team meet tomorrow to study for, & so does Brainy, so we'll be away for most of tomorrow evening)
Congratulations, I think you just insta'd me.
Well, what other option was there?
And that's an insta
Well chances are 1/3 that BDS was a wolf, so maybe the game will end?
Hopefully, in any matter.
It won't.
Where's Noc?
he's somewhere
BDS has died. It is now night 4. Night 4 ends at 6 pm cst on September 25. Also, life suddenly got busy, I think this is my last twg for a while
Olimar's the wolf then....I should have stuck with my gut
The fuck?? Um, please do not fuck this up. E.Gadd is obviously the remaining wolf. Did you even read my large-ass post??
I swear if your gut says to do something, it means you should do the opposite. Basically everything you've done this game should vouch for that...
Remaining players: please please please do not let up here. E.gadd is trying to play the innocent "I'm not good enough at twg to be a wolf like this" card. Review the updatin' game where he and Davy were wolves. Once Davy was killed he was more than capable of standing his ground and the wolves ended up winning (I saw more of that game, being the host). I bet you that he was given a brief guideline on what to do if __ should happen (which is how he plays as a wolf) from the other wolf once it was obvious they were being lynched.. Don't let the inexperience factor be his trump card.
Davy has died. It is now day 5. Day 5 ends in 48 hours
OMG BRAINY THE ENTIRE GAME RESTS IN YOUR HANDS
PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS: why in the holy mother of fuck would I (as a wolf) leave you alive over davy?? As a wolf I would have a much easier time trying to convincing davy to vote for E.Gadd than you. You've tried to lynch me multiple times and you've never once suspected E.Gadd. Hell, literally just last phase you voted me JUST FOR SUSPECTING E.GADD). THIS IS LITERALLY WHY YOU ARE STILL ALIVE; BECAUSE E.GADD KNOWS YOU WILL NOT VOTR FOR HIM.
PLEASE SEE THIS OBVIOUS WOLF PLAY AND DON'T COST US THE GAME. YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REDEEM YOURSELF
E.Gadd. Please end it, brainy.
Olimar12345
Olimar
Way to cost us the game. Bad move after bad move. MVP wolf right here.
If he is a wolf congrats to him. No salt on my part. He did his job and convinced me. Good game everyone! That was a lot of fun!
Dude, you've backed yourself into a corner XD but you definitely are MVP wolf for lasting the whole game :)
Quote from: BrainyLucario on September 25, 2017, 07:23:07 PMIf he is a wolf congrats to him. No salt on my part. He did his job and convinced me. Good game everyone! That was a lot of fun!
Good thing he convinced you with "feeling" while my evidence sits here and rots. You are truly a wolf MVP.
olimar12345 has died. The game is over. Humans win! Post game coming shortly.
Yeyyyyyyy
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