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Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 06, 2017, 07:31:08 AMI think you shouldn't be so quick to judge it.

Quote from: AmpharosAndy on June 06, 2017, 07:28:12 AMShoot. This means I'll have to actually plan Sun soon :S + Ultra Sun/Moon sound pretty stupid. At least B2/W2 was acceptable.

Quote from: AmpharosAndy on June 06, 2017, 07:44:20 AMHow stupid a title sounds isn't really much of a judgement haha.

But it makes a lot of sense now that you point that out (not that I know what Ultra Beasts are, I've just heard of them).

Quote from: Sir Dino on June 06, 2017, 07:45:55 AMB2/W2 made sense, they had slightly better animations from the previous one and the plot had a great storyline.

i was actually hoping to see a remake made for the switch? you know, because its literally a handheld console? the fact that ultra sun/moon was added to end of the direct, AFTER pokken tournament, felt like an afterthought and kinda pisses me off. like i get that they were trying to promote pokken, but c'mon. nintendo's main series is arguably their best seller, they could have totally sold it if they had started off with introducing us to US/UM
but overall i guess it shouldn't be too bad. the trailer was cute, and i'm kinda interested to see how they lead with the ultra beasts this time around
_{god i can't wait for more excruciating long tutorials...}

Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 06, 2017, 07:54:45 AMDouble post, but suddenly with the advent of the fusion between Solgaleo / Lunala and Necrozma, Colress being in Alola doesn't seem so bizarre. Since he was a big part of the Kyurem fusions from B2W2.

Quote from: Dudeman on June 06, 2017, 09:41:11 AMas I've been told

Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 06, 2017, 12:55:03 PMUnpopular opinion: Lillie is annoying at the beginning, kind of okay in the second half, but at no point is she anywhere as good as Hau

Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 06, 2017, 12:55:03 PMUnpopular opinion: Lillie is annoying at the beginning, kind of okay in the second half, but at no point is she anywhere as good as Hau

Quote from: braixen1264 on June 07, 2017, 10:33:21 AMhau was a piece of shit #teamlillie

Quote from: Yug_Guy on June 07, 2017, 05:10:05 PM(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/73KzDdUCS2k/hqdefault.jpg)

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on June 07, 2017, 02:55:15 PMIf someone had to be gay I think hau would be

He's pretty fun to be around ingame imo

Quote from: daj on June 07, 2017, 03:13:43 AMI still want my Gen 4 remakes though </3

Quote from: Waddle Bro on June 10, 2017, 11:43:57 AMultra sun and ultra moon going to be the best pokemon games to date remember black and white 2 just watch

Quote from: Dekkadeci on June 10, 2017, 02:03:47 PMThe trailer has shots of the protagonist wearing an angular, black-and-white ring, reminiscent of the Necrozma extensions on "Solgaleo" and "Lunala". Let's call it the "Ultra Ring".

Quote from: K-NiGhT on August 06, 2017, 09:06:55 AMNot a fan at the moment. They tried to just put both forms together. I wouldn't be surprised if there's another form that's just a recolor of Midnight form with Middays hair.

Quote from: DocDoom2 on August 06, 2017, 01:23:39 PMLet's hope it is better than Midnight form in competitive because I think Lycanroc is an awesome Pokemon in general.

Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 06, 2017, 10:43:56 AMI get that they tried to merge the two forms together, but the end result is a Lycanroc form that looks too much like the Midday form and doesn't feel very unique. Not what I would've liked to see revealed.

Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 06, 2017, 03:24:59 PMI bet it'll get a third move the other 2 forms don't already have. And I currently believe it'll be as lame as Midnight form's exclusive move of Counter.

Quote from: Dudeman on August 10, 2017, 10:36:09 AMWHAT THE FUCK GAME FREAK

Quote from: Dudeman on August 10, 2017, 10:36:09 AMNews flash: Lycanroc Dusk Form is event-only and evolves from an event-only Rockruff. Rockruff caught in-game will not evolve into Lycanroc Dusk Form.




WHAT THE FUCK GAME FREAK

Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 18, 2017, 04:47:43 PMKommo-o's exclusive Z-move actually looks like it kicks huge butt! It basically pulls off a Z-Celebrate (Attack, Special Attack, Defence, Special Defence, and Speed all go up +1 stage) and an attack at the same time. I suspect Kommo-o will move up one tier thanks to this Z-move (but since stuff like Z-Conversion Porygon-Z only hit UU to BL, I suspect Kommo-o may end up in the same place).

QuoteI suspect it'll be a Dragon-type special attack, but the only proof I have that it's a Dragon attack is that it was super-effective on a Flying Dragon (Salamence) and a Ground Dragon (Garchomp) (note that this proves that it isn't a Fighting-type attack), and I don't have proof that it's a special attack.

Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 18, 2017, 04:47:43 PMI suspect it'll be a Dragon-type special attack, but the only proof I have that it's a Dragon attack is that it was super-effective on a Flying Dragon (Salamence) and a Ground Dragon (Garchomp) (note that this proves that it isn't a Fighting-type attack), and I don't have proof that it's a special attack.

Quote from: Dudeman on August 18, 2017, 05:12:39 PMThe more solid proof you should have is that the trainer does the Dragon-type Z dance before the move. I thought that was obvious.

Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 18, 2017, 04:30:49 PMThey better not put the music from that first video into the actual game

• They're Necrozma forms and probably have Necrozma's Pokedex number.
• The names of the Necrozma forms apparently translate to "Necrozma Mane of Twilight" and "Necrozma Wings of Dawn", respectively.
• Two similar screenshots are in the latest issue of Corocoro depicting Necrozma in a cloudy shape with its arms spread wide, posing to absorb Solgaleo in one screenshot and Lunala in another.
• The Necrozma forms are known to have access to Sunsteel Strike and/or Moongeist Beam.

• Nebby is involved in the in-story absorption process somehow. I'd like to think it's as Solgaleo/Lunala, but there's the slight possibility that Necrozma also evolves from Cosmoem (in the Ultra games only).
• The Necrozma forms are meant to be temporary, and Necrozma will eventually separate from Solgaleo/Lunala--note that "Twilight" and "Dawn" are transitory time periods.
• Solgaleo and Lunala have considerable autonomy as members of the Necrozma forms, and have some say in where the form goes.
• However, Solgaleo and Lunala do not like being in Necrozma forms, and Necrozma often forces them to do things against their will.
• Even though Necrozma seems fairly associated with black holes (black colouration, general resistance to damage, violent tendencies, habit of firing lasers a la Hawking radiation), the Necrozma forms may be more analogous to wormholes, especially for the reasons below...
• Necrozma's role in the (un?-)natural order is to force day and night back into a regular schedule. Solgaleo and Lunala's Pokedex entries indicate that they bring in daytime and nighttime unnaturally, possibly for the sheer heck of it. "Necrozma Mane of Twilight" possibly forces Solgaleo to drag itself away so nighttime can start, and "Necrozma Wings of Dawn" likely brings in the dawn and ends Lunala's influence.

• UB "Burst" is exclusive to Pokemon Ultra Sun and looks like a flamboyant ball-and-stick humanoid that can throw its jelly-ball head around. It does look a bit like it has a Nihilego for a head, though...
• UB "Assembly" is a walking brick wall/tower with eyes. It is exclusive to Pokemon Ultra Moon.
• Note that neither of the above will be those Ultra Beast Pokemons' real species names, though--these are code names, just like the "Lighting" for UB-03 Xurkitree.

• All Lycanroc forms get access to the Z-Move "Splintered Stormshards". It's based on Stone Edge, it's an attack, it apparently can't even OHKO Tapu Koko the frail-o, and it wipes out all terrain as an effect. Terrain's pretty temporary in general so this seems somewhat overrated to me, but at least something isn't getting hit as hard by Tapu Bulu or someone can finally Spore Tapu Fini...

• A new Ultra Beast Pokemon, UB Adhesive, has been revealed. It's a Poison-type, and in a break from Ultra Beast design convention, it's a cutie that I could easily believe is native to Alola based on looks alone.
• All of the new Ultra Beasts have Beast Boost. UB Assembly is Rock/Steel. UB Burst is Fire/Ghost. UB Burst has a new attack, "Mind Blown", that rips out 50% of its maximum HP for supposedly massive results.
• There's a new (villain?) team called the Ultra Recon Squad. Apparently, Necrozma removed the light from their homeland. It's unknown whether they're native to Ultra Space or their homeland got moved to there.
• Ultra Space is split into several abodes, one each for most old Ultra Beasts. Seems like all we got to see is Nihilego Land back in Pokemon Sun & Moon. IMO, Buzzwole Land looks prettier than Pheromosa's (although both are in broad daylight).
• The most important land in Ultra Space storyline-wise is the Ultra Megalopolis, the home base of the Ultra Recon Squad and a city that definitely took design cues from Necrozma.

• Necrozma (but possibly only its fused forms) can learn Photon Geyser, an attack which is physical or special depending on whether Necrozma's attack or special attack is higher, respectively. Now that's a type of attack Game Freak has never come up with before. Will it use the physical or special icon in-game?
• Solgaleo and Dusk Mane Necrozma get access to the Z-Move "Searing Sunraze Smash" (I like the Japanese name, "Sunshine Smasher", better). It's based on Sunsteel Strike and it similarly ignores opposing abilities.
• Lunala and Dawn Wings Necrozma get access to the Z-Move "Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom" (I like the Japanese name, "Moonlight Blaster", better). It's based on Moongeist Beam and it similarly ignores opposing abilities.
• You can get free items and the ability to use Z-Moves twice in a battle from your Rotom Dex. Better befriend it, though.

Quote from: Dekkadeci on October 12, 2017, 12:23:32 PMSeems like the hype train will continue without 1/3 of its riders. More Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon news confirmed today:

• Necrozma (but possibly only its fused forms) can learn Photon Geyser, an attack which is physical or special depending on whether Necrozma's attack or special attack is higher, respectively. Now that's a type of attack Game Freak has never come up with before. Will it use the physical or special icon in-game?
• Solgaleo and Dusk Mane Necrozma get access to the Z-Move "Searing Sunraze Smash" (I like the Japanese name, "Sunshine Smasher", better). It's based on Sunsteel Strike and it similarly ignores opposing abilities.
• Lunala and Dawn Wings Necrozma get access to the Z-Move "Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom" (I like the Japanese name, "Moonlight Blaster", better). It's based on Moongeist Beam and it similarly ignores opposing abilities.
• You can get free items and the ability to use Z-Moves twice in a battle from your Rotom Dex. Better befriend it, though.

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 12, 2017, 05:50:47 PM-I actually like the American names better; the Japanese ones are a little too plain, IMO.

Quote from: Dudeman on October 18, 2017, 10:24:53 PMI mean...this is really, REALLY old news, isn't it?

Quote from: SlowPokemon on November 02, 2017, 04:07:03 PMI'm sorry but how the fuck does that not warrant a spoiler tag

Quote from: Dudeman on November 02, 2017, 10:04:40 PMWOAH OKAY I probably shouldn't be freaking out about this next thing BUT

ARCHIE AND MAXIE HAVE THEIR ORIGINAL RSE DESIGNS

WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEEEEEAN

Quote from: SlowPokemon on November 03, 2017, 05:13:46 AMIt probably has to do with Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon being an "alternate world" — likely the world that the original Ruby and Sapphire took place in rather than the one Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire took place in. If you remember, the Delta Episode has some mildly meta explanations and includes references to another version of Hoenn, implied to be the original Ruby and Sapphire.

Quote from: Dekkadeci on November 09, 2017, 03:36:05 PMWith that being said, BDS hasn't relayed everything, so here's stuff I've learned from the leaks:

Heavy USUM Spoilers--this assumes you've read BDS's spoiler

Poipole

• It's apparently one of the choices for Starter Pokemon in its home parallel universe.

Naganadel

• This guy learns Nasty Plot. It has somewhat crummy defences, but if you can force a switch...

Zeraora

• The newest Mythical Pokemon has a new move called "Plasma Fists". It's a physical Electric attack with 100 BP, and it apparently "turns Normal attacks into Electric attacks" afterwards (the words it says afterwards sound like Ion Deluge to me).
• Hilariously, its ability is Volt Absorb (so is its Hidden Ability), so the Ion Deluge-like effect of "Plasma Fists" might actually do something pretty useful. I've read one comment that it's "the world's (worst) spinblock(er)".

Ultra Necrozma

• This is a form change, and only Dusk Mane Necrozma and Dawn Wings Necrozma, in both cases with Ultranecrozium Z equipped, can assume this form. Poor old regular Necrozma doesn't get to.
• This form change occurs mid-battle, a la Mega Evolution.
• Ultra Necrozma's ability is Neuroforce, which increases the power of its super-effective attacks an unknown amount. Even if we assume it's Expert Belt: the ability, that still rocks often enough.
• It has a new Z-Move, "Light that Burns the Sky". It has 200 BP and it's based on Photon Geyser. It has both the ability-ignoring effect of Sunsteel Strike/Moongeist Beam and the attack-or-special-attack use of Photon Geyser. That Z-Move already reminds me of Ormagöden (http://brutallegend.wikia.com/wiki/Ormag%C3%B6den) from Brütal Legend and how that god-beast is "Cremator of the Sky".
• If you want what I've pieced together about the lore surrounding (Ultra) Necrozma, go read the storyline spoilers below.

Storyline

Yeah, it's like SM but with a twist

• Necrozma is so dangerous that Lusamine tries to take it down (for selfish reasons).
• Necrozma once showered the homeland of the Ultra Recon Squad (the Ultra Megalopolis) with light, but their ancestors apparently wanted even more of its power and made it "lose a part of its body" trying to extract said power. (Man, this sounds like Kyurem all over again.) Now Necrozma's in a wild rage, ravenously devouring any light it sees and pining for massive light sources. The Ultra Recon Squad imprisoned it in a tower in an attempt to restrain it, but that clearly isn't working out.
• The "part of its body" that Necrozma lost apparently turned into sparkling stones that people refined into Z-Power Rings. It seems that an Ultranecrozium Z crystal in a Z-Power Ring is a good enough substitute for that missing body part that Necrozma can attain its light-producing Ultra Necrozma form again. Well, that form change is only temporary, so maybe Ultranecrozium Z crystals with Z-Power Rings are indeed poor substitutes...
• Necrozma absorbs Nebby (Cosmoem evolves only into Solgaleo/Lunala confirmed) and becomes Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma. As Necrozma hungers greatly for light, Solgaleo/Lunala is apparently nearly completely under its control, constantly emitting light that Necrozma devours.
• Necrozma eventually absorbs Nebby further and transforms into Ultra Necrozma. It's implied that Ultra Necrozma is the form Necrozma used to have before it lost that "part of its body".
• Afterwards, Team Rainbow Rocket appears. Apparently, Ultra Necrozma made enough Ultra Wormholes to bring them into Alola (quite possibly by accident in Ultra Necrozma's point of view). With the possible exception of Ghetsis and Giovanni, this team is made of villainous team leaders who were recruited just as they won. Faba wants to join.
• Yes, Nebby and Necrozma are separated after you meet Ultra Necrozma for the first time.
• The Solagaleo/Lunala you ride belongs to the Ultra Recon Squad.
• Colress makes the N-Solarizer (for making Dusk Mane Necrozma) and N-Lunarizer (for making Dawn Wings Necrozma). (Man, this sounds like Kyurem-Black and Kyurem-White all over again.)
• Ultra Beasts are painted in a more sympathetic light, only wanting to go home again. Scientists aim to calm them down instead of forcibly restrain them this time.
• Necrozma is painted in a more sympathetic light later in the story, especially after it attains its Ultra Necrozma form. The player character is depicted as someone who can calm it down and provide it large amounts of light peacefully. The Ultra Recon Squad presents itself and Necrozma as beings who were separated from light and who shouldn't have been.
• There's a hilarious story involving a trainer and his/her Guzzlord, "Mr. Glutton", if you delve into the story dump hard enough. Apparently, on their home planet (I'm not kidding--the trainer says "their planet"), Guzzlords eat garbage and toxic waste (along with anything else). Thank goodness, as their home planet is a dump with hideously poor air quality.
• Totem Pokemon auras apparently originate from (past? Ultra?) Necrozma's light. Necrozma apparently dumped the auras in Alola when it visited in the past.
• While stories in USUM tell of how Necrozma was banished by light, one character speculates that "maybe people were just giving it the light it needed". Or maybe people just couldn't recognize Ultra Necrozma as the same entity as pitch-black, plain old Necrozma or even the Necrozma appendages on Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma.
• Based on everything I've read, my speculation is that Ultra Necrozma is based either on a supergiant star or a naked singularity. The emphasis on Necrozma being Ultra Necrozma(-like) in the past leans towards the supergiant interpretation, but the fact that Ultra Necrozma is playable and Ultra Necrozma's ability being Neuroforce instead of Prism Armor leans towards the naked singularity interpretation. (Think of Prism Armor as clothes/an event horizon.)

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New Z-Moves

• Mimikyu's new Z-Move is "Let's Play Forever". It uses Play Rough as a base, it's 190 BP, and it's a physical Fairy attack. That's pretty much it. Boo, I thought it would repair Mimikyu's Disguise or something funky. I think it contacts the opponent.

More Details About Previously Revealed Attacks

• Mind Blown is 150 BP, a Fire-type special attack, and predictably rips out 50% (rounded down) of its user's maximum HP upon use. I have a feeling the user can KO itself to pull off this attack. Its Z-Move power is 200 BP.
• Photon Geyser, besides being a coolio Psychic attack, has 100 BP.

Movepool Changes

• New mons with Sticky Web include Araquanid, Ribombee, and Slurpuff. Screw Galvantula, I'm using new Webs setters instead.
• New mons with Strength Sap include Victreebel, Jumpluff, and the Oddish line. Jumpluff's gonna get annoying.
• Sadly, there are no new Rapid Spinners.
• Thanks to move tutors, a ton of things know Defog now. I'm the most excited about Landorus(-T), Tornadus(-T), Thundurus(-T), Rotom(-W/etc.), Tapu Koko, Altaria(-Mega), Hydreigon, Whimsicott, Klefki, Silvally, Florges, Blaziken(-Mega), Xerneas, Yveltal, and Lunala getting this move. Poison Heal Gliscor and Multiscale Dragonite also being able to learn Defog is neat.
• Tapu Koko and Tapu Bulu still don't learn any physical Fairy attacks. Auuuuugggghhhh...
• Ultra Beast movepools are still rather shallow. Kartana is still the only Ultra Beast to learn Defog. Celesteela still doesn't get good recovery.
• Well, Kartana does learn a speed-boosting move now: Tailwind. Fear the speed-boosting Kartana!

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Quote from: K-NiGhT on November 22, 2017, 08:23:11 PMWent into this with next to no knowledge of the game, and they didn't even bother to change most of the dialogue. I feel like most other 3rd versions have done a better job of making it feel like a fresh experience but this is kinda dumb.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on November 23, 2017, 07:51:58 AMOmggg in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, apparently if you go to the Game Freak office holding a transferred Pokémon from the 3DS port of Pokémon Silver, the director says this:

"When we were having trouble fitting all the data in for Gold and Silver, and we were really in a pinch, this amazing guy came along and made a program for us that solved all our problems. He went on to become the amazing president of a real big company soon after that, too."

Quote from: Dekkadeci on November 24, 2017, 11:12:16 PMEcho, I've been on Showdown and Smogon for USUM and I'll have to disagree with some of those evaluations:

Spoiler

Stakataka: Gigalith doesn't learn Trick Room and doesn't have a nuke 150 BP STAB. Stakataka has both (well, Gyro Ball has 150 BP against a lot of opponents given Stakataka's rock-bottom speed). It's a bit of a one-trick pony, as it doesn't have enough bulk to set both Stealth Rock and Trick Room, and not getting recovery sucks, but it tears holes in teams significantly more easily than Gigalith does.

Naganadel: Loads of people on Smogon are screaming that it should be banned to Ubers. I keep consistently being in "Do Not Ban" camps, but I do agree that Naganadel is powerful.

Blacephalon: I think you're looking at it wrong, Echo. I think it's more like what Victini and Darmanitan always dreamed they could be (well, except Victini has better bulk)--an absolute Fire-type nuke with a high-BP STAB. 107 base speed, while a flawed speed tier, is still better than Victini's base 100 speed and Darmanitan's lower-than-that. Blacephalon's frail enough that I don't tend to think of the first use of Mind Blown as having drawbacks.

Dusk Lycanroc: Mega Aerodactyl wishes it had powerful priority. Dusk Lycanroc has that in Tough Claws-boosted Accelerock, so it has a fairly good niche right there.

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Quote from: SlowPokemon on November 23, 2017, 07:51:58 AMOmggg in Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, apparently if you go to the Game Freak office holding a transferred Pokémon from the 3DS port of Pokémon Silver, the director says this:

"When we were having trouble fitting all the data in for Gold and Silver, and we were really in a pinch, this amazing guy came along and made a program for us that solved all our problems. He went on to become the amazing president of a real big company soon after that, too."

Quote from: Dekkadeci on November 24, 2017, 11:12:16 PM*snip*

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 25, 2017, 11:36:01 AMNaganadel is kind of weird because it can do a lot of stuff, but all of its sets have major flaws. Scarf? Not enough initial power. Specs? Gets revenged killed easily before it sets up, and walled easily regardless. Nasty Plot? Is extremely frail and pretty much has no opportunities to set up in the first place.

Blacephlaon is good, but tricky to use, and being walled by Tyranitar doesn't help it at all. Probably best with Scarf so it doesn't have to worry much about being outsped/revenge killed or having a lack of initial power.

Quote from: Echo on November 26, 2017, 03:45:00 AMNasty Plot is the set you want for Naganadel. Not entirely because of Nasty Plot specifically, but rather how Dragonium-Z solves the flaws you're thinking of with the Choice items. In practice, it gives you the needed power boost initially, then snowballs from there because Beast Boost gives you the Speed to avoid being revenge-killed (turning Draco Meteor into a no drawback, 100% accurate, +1 Speed move is super fair). Setup opportunities might change later as people adjust their teams, but for now enough people are playing stuff that'll get threatened by Sludge Wave/Flamethrower for you to sack a Pokemon and bring in Naganadel (Ferrothorn, Scizor, etc.).  Naganadel's defense is below average, but it's not paper-thin to the point where'll you get KO'd by entry hazards and a priority move (excluding like Ice Shard), so it more often than not can get the turn it needs even if you do take a hit.

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 26, 2017, 12:36:20 PMThe problem is that that still only works against frail teams. You still lack the +1 power that you need to get a guaranteed KO something (cause if you don't, you're dead), still lack in your ability to set up a Nasty Plot, and are still outsped by revenge killers before you get that speed boost.

EDIT: Wait, was it actually just banned from OU? How predictably laughable. :<

Quote from: Echo on November 23, 2017, 02:40:52 AMStakataka/UB Assembly: Just use Gigalith. Pretty much the same thing but gives a free Sandstorm

Quote from: FireArrow on November 28, 2017, 10:33:19 PMAre they really comparable? Gigalith is a sandsetter with SR and Explosion. Stakataka is a wall breaker/trickroom sweeper with gyro ball.

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 26, 2017, 12:36:20 PMWait, was it actually just banned from OU? How predictably laughable. :<

Quote from: Waddle Bro on June 10, 2017, 11:43:57 AMultra sun and ultra moon going to be the best pokemon games to date remember black and white 2 just watch