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Title: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on December 29, 2016, 03:36:14 AM
THE OFFICIAL WIND WAKER PROJECT to keep the title brief since everyone knows what "Wind Waker" refers to.


Here we go! The critically acclaimed tenth installment in the The Legend of Zelda series.
Spoiler
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/72/ZeldaWindWakerGCNCoverArtUS.jpg)
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Notes:
- All bad sheets currently on site will be fixed or replaced by the end of this project. However, you may submit new sheets for currently unarranged songs as well.
- Here's a playlist you can use: [Youtube playlist] (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3E7B876342ECE5C0) Be sure you arrange from the original GameCube version of the OST, not the HD remake.
- Track names are listed below. Keep in mind they may not match up exactly with the playlist. Feel free to ask for any clarification.
- Composer info: see [here] (http://vgmdb.net/forums/showpost.php?p=24913&postcount=38) and [here] (http://vgmdb.net/forums/showpost.php?p=36520&postcount=58)
- Game/copyright info:
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
~
Nintendo © 2002
http://www.NinSheetMusic.org/
- Template is here: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/17ubfjyohp9n26g/WW%20Template.mus?dl=1)
- Files will be accessible here: [Dropbox] (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h9g62syu4k8n6dm/AACXl4TPon6p3zRTasKsA-Jza?dl=0)



Color code:
Red - on site, but needs to be fixed or replaced
Orange - in progress
Blue - arranged and ready for checking (find sheet in dropbox folder!)
Green - accepted
Green - on site, does not need to be fixed

List of tracks

DISC 1
01   Title - Static
02   Menu Select - Sebastian
03   The Legendary Hero - Latios212
03   The Legendary Hero (Duet) - Olimar12345
04   Outset Island - Latios212
04   Outset Island (Two pianos) - The Deku Trombonist
05   Inside a House - Sebastian
06   Grandpa's House - Latios212
07   Fencing Instruction - Sebastian
08   Beedle's Shop
09   A Mysterious Giant Bird Attacks
10   Tetra Discovered - BrainyLucario
11   The Forest of Outset Island - Static
12   Bokoblin Migration
13   Battle
14   Encounter with Tetra - Olimar12345
15   Aryll's Kidnapping
16   Grandma
17   Departure - Onionleaf
18   Pirates
19   Inside the Pirate Ship - Static
20   Forsaken Fortress Invasion 1 - Sebastian
21   Forsaken Fortress Invasion 2
22   Forsaken Fortress
23   Imprisonment - Sebastian
24   Reunion with Sister - Olimar12345
25   Rendezvous with the Ship 1
26   Rendezvous with the Ship 2 - Sebastian
27   Rendezvous with the Ship 3 - Sebastian
28   Windfall Island
29   Zunari's Store - Sebastian and Olimar12345
30   Dawn
31   The Great Sea
32   Maritime Battle
33   The Second Maritime Battle
34   Get Treasure Box
35   Open Treasure Box
36   Get Item
37   Get Small Item
38   Dragon Roost Island
39   Dragon Roost Cavern
40   Mini-Boss - Lkjhgfdsa_77
41   Game Over - Static
42   Gohma Appears
43   Gohma Battle First Half
44   Gohma Battle Second Half
45   Boss Clear Fanfare
46   Get Heart Container
47   Get Orb - Sebastian
48   Wind's Requiem (Baton) - Olimar12345
49   Wind's Requiem - Olimar12345
50   Get Baton Song
51   Yacht Game - FireArrow
52   Yacht Game Goal
53   Yacht Game Failure
54   Song of Passing (Baton) - Olimar12345
55   Song of Passing - Olimar12345
56   Forest Haven
57   Inside Forest Haven - Lkjhgfdsa_77
58   The Deku Tree's Crisis
59   The Deku Tree and the Koroks - FireArrow
60   Forbidden Woods - Sebastian
61   Kalle Demos Appears
62   Kalle Demos
63   Ceremony in the Woods
64   Song of the New Year's Ceremony
65   The Great Sea is Cursed - Sebastian
66   Sacred Shrine
67   Jabun
68   Tower of the Gods Appears
69   Tower of the Gods
70   Command Melody (Baton) - Olimar12345
71   Gohdan Appears
72   Gohdan - FireArrow
73   To Hyrule - Sebastian
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DISC 2
01   Sealed Hyrule Castle - Sebastian
02   Get Master Sword - Onionleaf
03   Hyrule Castle - Sebastian
04   Phantom Ganon
05   Aryll's Rescue 1
06   Aryll's Rescue 2
07   Aryll's Rescue 3
08   Aryll's Rescue 4
09   Aryll's Rescue 5
10   The Tower of Forsaken Fortress
11   Helmaroc King Appears
12   Helmaroc King
13   Ganondorf on Forsaken Fortress
14   The Miracle Stone Shows One's True Nature
15   Hyrule King Appears
16   Zelda's Awakening - Onionleaf
17   Princess Zelda's Theme - RustyJustice
18   Ballad of Gales (Baton) - Olimar12345
19   Ballad of Gales - Olimar12345
20   Fairy Spring - RustyJustice
21   The Fairy Queen - Olimar12345 (edit replacement)
22   Dungeon
23   Earth God's Lyric (Baton)
24   Sage Laruto
25   Medli's Awakening
26   Earth God's Lyric
27   Earth Temple - Bloop
28   Jalhalla Appears
29   Jalhalla - Bloop
30   Medli's Prayer - Latios212
31   Wind God's Aria (Baton)
32   Sage Fado
33   Makar's Awakening
34   Wind God's Aria
35   Wind Temple - Onionleaf
36   Molgera Appears
37   Molgera - Maelstrom
38   Makar's Prayer - Latios212
39   Hero of the Wind - Sebastian
40   Ganon's Castle - Lkjhgfdsa_77 and Olimar12345
41   Gohma First Half (2nd Time)
42   Gohma Second Half (2nd Time)
43   Kalle Demos (2nd Time)
44   Jalhalla (2nd Time)
45   Molgera (2nd Time)
46   Illusionary Room
47   Puppet Ganon First Half
48   Puppet Ganon (Puppet Mode)
49   Puppet Ganon (Transformation)
50   Puppet Ganon (Spider Mode)
51   Puppet Ganon (Snake Mode) - Sebastian
52   Puppet Ganon Second Half
53   Ganondorf Battle First Half
54   Ganondorf Battle - Maelstrom
55   Farewell Hyrule King - mastersuperfan
56   Ending - Sebastian
57   Staff Credits - Nutella511
58   Epilogue - Maelstrom
59   Aryll's Theme
60   Game Demo - Maelstrom
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Topics of Interest (maybe?)
Deciding the Next Official Arrangement Project 3(?) (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9045.0)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on December 29, 2016, 03:37:25 AM
I will take the following:
- Grandpa's House (already done)
- Outset Island (solo)
- The Legendary Hero (solo)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 29, 2016, 03:39:22 AM
Here is the first:

[GCN] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

Hyrule Castle     (http://goo.gl/Nzw6x1) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ufovawvzi2eks2/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Hyrule%20Castle.mus?dl=1)



I'll also be taking these:
Disc 1:
02) Main Select
05) Inside a House
07) Fencing Instruction
20) Forsaken Fortress Invasion 1
23) Imprisonment
26) Rendezvous With the Ship 2
27) Rendezvous With the Ship 3
60) Forbidden Woods
65) The Great Sea is Cursed
73) To Hyrule
Disc 2:
01) Sealed Hyrule Castle
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Static on December 29, 2016, 05:12:45 AM
I'd like to take "Inside the Pirate Ship", "The Forest of Outset Island", and "Game Over" for now. I may ask for more in the future, but these are ones I'd definitely like to claim.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: nutella511 on December 29, 2016, 06:04:44 AM
Perfect timing. I'd like to claim Makar's Prayer, Staff Credits, and Princess Zelda's Theme. Also, Dragon Roost Island is already on site.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on December 29, 2016, 10:55:14 AM
Yay, Wind Waker. Feedback, here we come.

Hyrule Castle:
- Perhaps write the opening line as a cadenza? I know it is in time in the original, but that's not how it 'feels' when listening to it. Well, for me anyway. Do whatever.
- Any reason you didn't include the bass note on beat one of bar 6 and every 2 bars after? It punctuates it nicely, adds weight (it's not like it's a happy tune) and breaks things up. And it's not like the chord has to be there on beat one, there are still 3 beats left in the bar to hammer out D minor.
- Bar 7: E flats, not D Sharps (they want to resolve down to the tonic). Also, G natural in the chords on beats 3 & 4 of the LH, not F sharp. And I'm not sure why there's a quaver triplet rest in the 3rd beat, it sounds quite smooth and connected to me.
- Bars 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19: Same thing.
- Bars 16 & 20: There are 3 beats of rests missing in the RH.
- Respell the Ab in bar 21 as G# (chromatic neighbor note).
- The LH of bar 29 would be clearer in two layers. (Whole note A & E, and then use the other layer for D-> C#).

The staves on page 2 are bigger than the ones on page 1. I think here I would normally inquire as to why you'd reduce the staff size when using my template which contains an already reduced staff size, but that would be beating a dead horse and I don't really care. Just be consistent, whatever it is you're going to do.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 29, 2016, 03:08:44 PM
YES, Deku!

- Perhaps write the opening line as a cadenza? I know it is in time in the original, but that's not how it 'feels' when listening to it. Well, for me anyway. Do whatever.
I could do that. I mainly left it this way because, as you said, it's in time.
It's not quite as punctual as the rest of the song though, so I could put a 'feely' marking at the beginning. In my opinion, I don't believe this section constitutes a cadenza.
I normally use cadenzas if the introduction or another section of a piece is really wild or dissonant. For example:
http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/100

- Any reason you didn't include the bass note on beat one of bar 6 and every 2 bars after? It punctuates it nicely, adds weight (it's not like it's a happy tune) and breaks things up. And it's not like the chord has to be there on beat one, there are still 3 beats left in the bar to hammer out D minor.
I left it out to avoid the hassle of jumping around, but I like what you said about adding weight since it's not a happy tune. I think this will enhance the piece! Fixed.

- Bar 7: E flats, not D Sharps (they want to resolve down to the tonic). Also, G natural in the chords on beats 3 & 4 of the LH, not F
And I'm not sure why there's a quaver triplet rest in the 3rd beat, it sounds quite smooth and connected to me.
- Bars 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19: Same thing.
Aye, my bad. Fixed.

- Bars 16 & 20: There are 3 beats of rests missing in the RH.
Hmmm, very weird. Must've been an export issue. Finale usually auto-inputs rests. Fixed.

- Respell the Ab in bar 21 as G# (chromatic neighbor note).
Oh, ok. I was going by the D diminished, but that works better. Fixed.
Curious, is this similar to the reason we use C/Eb/F# in C Minor key instead of the diminished (C/Eb/Gb)? These chord variants always seem to trip me up, even when I think I use the correct chords/get them right.

- The LH of bar 29 would be clearer in two layers. (Whole note A & E, and then use the other layer for D-> C#).
Sounds good to me! This should help the performer far better than the previous notation of this measure. Fixed.

The staves on page 2 are bigger than the ones on page 1. I think here I would normally inquire as to why you'd reduce the staff size when using my template which contains an already reduced staff size, but that would be beating a dead horse and I don't really care. Just be consistent, whatever it is you're going to do.
Oh, crap. That must've been a glitch on my end. This is a roughly new template that I've been using for my sheets (I got this template from a previous arrangement project [Latios/Ben said it was a Deku template if I recall correctly]) and the last sheet I arranged consisted of one page at 90%. I simply forgot to blow it back up and the second page was a different size. That was my bad. I'll go ahead and blow both pages back up to 100% and respace the measures/systems.
I just wanted to clarify that I didn't intend to minimize the size purposely. :P

Here is the file with the changes (I fixed everything you pointed out except for the cadenza. I did, however, include a 'freely' expression text at the first measure and then an 'a tempo' expression text when the introduction transitions into the melody):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ufovawvzi2eks2/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Hyrule%20Castle.mus?dl=1

Thanks for the feedback, Deku! Just like old times. : )
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on December 29, 2016, 03:22:22 PM
I'm glad that Wind Waker was chosen. Wind Waker was one if the first Zelda games that I played and it really means a lot me. I'll take Inside Forest Haven for now.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on December 29, 2016, 04:59:51 PM
Updated with everything said above!

... Staff Credits ...
That's one heck of an undertaking. Are you sure?
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 29, 2016, 05:10:56 PM
[GCN] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

02 Menu Select     (http://goo.gl/Nzw6x1) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/qwl5m1kja5aupyt/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Main%20Select.mus?dl=1)

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 29, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
02 Main Select

*Menu Select
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 29, 2016, 05:35:20 PM
(http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Oops-Brain-fart.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 29, 2016, 05:53:30 PM
02 Menu Select

-The first system is indented, but there is no "Piano" text. Add that in.
-The composer for this one is Koji Kondo. Kenta Nagata is the arranger (I guess you could include them both, but Kondo is the big one).
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 29, 2016, 06:10:20 PM
Double post: Since I already have a few of these done,  I'll claim the remaining baton songs:
48 Wind's Requiem (Baton)
49 Wind's Requiem
54 Song of Passing (Baton)
55 Song of Passing
70 Command Melody (Baton)
18 Ballad of Gales (Baton)
19 Ballad of Gales
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 29, 2016, 06:15:56 PM
-The first system is indented, but there is no "Piano" text. Add that in.
Aye. Fixed.

-The composer for this one is Koji Kondo. Kenta Nagata is the arranger (I guess you could include them both, but Kondo is the big one).
Ah, makes sense. I'll put in both of them.

I also fixed the name on the file.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ozoo5pzxnfx8hmw/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Menu%20Select.mus?dl=1

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on December 29, 2016, 06:19:34 PM
I'll do Medli's Prayer.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 29, 2016, 06:56:36 PM
I'll take Farewell Hyrule King.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on December 29, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
If there are still songs not taken when I finish CPP & SMS replacements, I'll do one.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: nutella511 on December 29, 2016, 09:33:39 PM
That's one heck of an undertaking. Are you sure?

I'm sure. I've been looking for my next big project. I also just got a midi keyboard to help with it.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on December 29, 2016, 10:16:40 PM
As soon as I get my laptop back I am sure to go ham on this
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Bloop on December 29, 2016, 10:16:56 PM
hey maybe i'll finally participate in an arrangement project

I think I'll take Jalhalla Theme and Earth Temple. I may work on some of the other boss themes as well, but I'd rather finish the others before I claim those.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on December 30, 2016, 12:12:29 AM
I'll take:

51   Yacht Game
59   The Deku Tree and the Koroks
72   Gohdan
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on December 30, 2016, 01:42:24 AM
Quote from: Sebastian
Oh, ok. I was going by the D diminished, but that works better. Fixed.
Curious, is this similar to the reason we use C/Eb/F# in C Minor key instead of the diminished (C/Eb/Gb)? These chord variants always seem to trip me up, even when I think I use the correct chords/get them right.
Try and think less about note combinations and more about the underlying theory. For example having a tonic diminished chord in a minor key (or even a major key) given the context, just doesn't make sense. But if you look past the repeated chords and look at it a bit more horizontally and in the context of voice leading, then you'll see that it's just a chromatic neighbour note. Look for elements of theory and let that guide you, not individual notes.

Also in the middle of the 2nd or 3rd line on page 2 (I forgot where, I'm on my phone) where the bass note changes from E flat to E natural on the bar line, a courtesy accidental would help.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 30, 2016, 02:04:39 AM
Farewell Hyrule King (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2vqnqb6fwn30ubs/AAByV3N0sxY0Wbc8aSlPzTfWa?dl=0)

Hoo boy, that took a lot longer than I thought it would. (Those chords at the end were awful to arrange, I tell you; they didn't have any pattern as to what notes were and weren't included.) A few concerns of mine:

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on December 30, 2016, 02:51:16 AM
It'd be nice if someone could check/correct my enharmonic spellings, because I'm unsure for most of them.

Measure 39: Gb -> F# (out of all the tricky accidentals this was the easy part :3)

Deku is probably gonna call me out on this, but change 26 to a Db. G minor -> Gdim -> F# dim 7 -> G minor makes sense and I don't care about no neighboring chromatics.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 30, 2016, 03:39:30 AM
Here are the ones I claimed:

[GCN] - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
-Command Melody (Baton) [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Command%20Melody%20%28Baton%29/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Command%20Melody%20%28Baton%29.mus) [Midi] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Command%20Melody%20%28Baton%29/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Command%20Melody%20%28Baton%29.mid) [PDF] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Command%20Melody%20%28Baton%29/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Command%20Melody%20%28Baton%29.pdf) [NEW]
-Ballad of Gales [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ballad%20of%20Gales/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ballad%20of%20Gales.mus) [Midi] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ballad%20of%20Gales/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ballad%20of%20Gales.mid) [PDF] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ballad%20of%20Gales/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ballad%20of%20Gales.pdf) [NEW]
-Wind's Requiem [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%27s%20Requiem/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%27s%20Requiem.mus) [Midi] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%27s%20Requiem/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%27s%20Requiem.mid) [PDF] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%27s%20Requiem/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%27s%20Requiem.pdf) [NEW]
-Song of Passing [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Song%20of%20Passing/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Song%20of%20Passing.mus) [Midi] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Song%20of%20Passing/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Song%20of%20Passing.mid) [PDF] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Arrangements/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Song%20of%20Passing/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Song%20of%20Passing.pdf) [NEW]

All but "Command Melody" include both the baton and normal versions.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on December 30, 2016, 03:48:21 AM
Fifth Day of Hanukkah
Arranged Inside Forest Haven (https://youtu.be/AcMWbGRKsdw) from Wind Waker. I spent a lot of time finalizing the arrangement for the Official Wind Waker Arrangement Project so it's a bit more polished than my other Arrangements of Hanukkah. There are still a few things that will need fixing -
 - every time the left hand plays the repeating marimba pattern, change the clef to treble, and switch back to bass when it's put on the right hand (retain tonal value)
 - put 8va on m1-4 (retain tonal value)
 - m21 - change to 2/4 measure (keep first two beats) and if possible get playback to play the percussion

Inside Forest Haven||The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
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85%, made for the WW Official AP and finalized it.mid (https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpycq1z51j560xe/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20Forest%20Haven.mid?dl=0)
.mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fbb1zymb5yw51w4/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20Forest%20Haven.mus?dl=0)
.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7ur1an0sdz91e6/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20Forest%20Haven.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 30, 2016, 06:09:17 PM
[GCN] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

Inside a House     (http://goo.gl/Nzw6x1) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nh726zwd0t5jdr/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20a%20House.mus?dl=1)

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Brassman388 on December 31, 2016, 12:25:49 AM
A worthy attempt, but simple is always better.

I put my revisions on another grand staff under the original.

mus (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36750916/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20a%20House.mus)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Brassman388 on December 31, 2016, 12:38:08 AM
  • It'd be nice if someone could check/correct my enharmonic spellings, because I'm unsure for most of them.
  • I'd also like some feedback on my pedal markings (mainly m25 and m26) since I'm not sure whether to hold it the whole measure or change it in between. I'm also not sure whether or not I should be including the pedal at all at m33+ since it blurs the low notes.

Your accidentals are all used correctly. My personal preference is to not use parentheses. Implied accidentals like when going back to the A-flat to the A-natural don't really merit the use of parentheses.

Pedal markings are a little trickier; you're right on thinking that using the pedal on the lower ranges is messy or blurry, but what does the original recording say? How close do you want to get it to the recording? I change stuff all the time because most studio performances are doctored especially when it comes to piano; so in turn, I change things to fit either my needs or the needs of the performer.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Onionleaf on December 31, 2016, 03:21:25 AM
I'll take the following:

D1 17 - Departure
D2 02 - Get Master Sword
D2 16 - Zelda's Awakening
D2 35 - Wind Temple

These should keep me preoccupied for the whole time of this project. :)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 31, 2016, 04:06:34 AM
A worthy attempt, but simple is always better.

I put my revisions on another grand staff under the original.

mus (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36750916/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20a%20House.mus)
Actually, that's what I originally had. I got the current idea from Olimar (through Latios). I believe that the way I had it is better. It puts the melody on the on-beats instead of the off-beats and I feel it is correct, simple or not.
Also, the changes you made with the staff/clefs etc. don't account for all the voice incorporations and it doesn't make it that much easier.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 31, 2016, 04:45:46 AM
Double post.

Try and think less about note combinations and more about the underlying theory. For example having a tonic diminished chord in a minor key (or even a major key) given the context, just doesn't make sense. But if you look past the repeated chords and look at it a bit more horizontally and in the context of voice leading, then you'll see that it's just a chromatic neighbour note. Look for elements of theory and let that guide you, not individual notes.
Ah, makes sense.

Also in the middle of the 2nd or 3rd line on page 2 (I forgot where, I'm on my phone) where the bass note changes from E flat to E natural on the bar line, a courtesy accidental would help.
Sweet. I'll go ahead and update that asap.


Farewell Hyrule King (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2vqnqb6fwn30ubs/AAByV3N0sxY0Wbc8aSlPzTfWa?dl=0)

Hoo boy, that took a lot longer than I thought it would. (Those chords at the end were awful to arrange, I tell you; they didn't have any pattern as to what notes were and weren't included.) A few concerns of mine:

  • It'd be nice if someone could check/correct my enharmonic spellings, because I'm unsure for most of them.
  • I'd also like some feedback on my pedal markings (mainly m25 and m26) since I'm not sure whether to hold it the whole measure or change it in between. I'm also not sure whether or not I should be including the pedal at all at m33+ since it blurs the low notes.
Yo, LOVE THIS SONG. You've got a beautiful arrangement here!

Couple of things:
- M. 1-16 (LH): The first notes of each of these seem to have more force than the others. Maybe you could accent them.
- M. 17-21 (LH): You're missing the added octave. For example:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6tbk9mxkjgpqshg/Screenshot%202016-12-30%2022.41.13.png?dl=1)
- M. 22 (LH): There is an Eb in there you're missing.
- M. 17-24 (LH): Same as M. 1-16. Seems like some of these notes are almost being pounded; that's how accented they are, especially the eighth notes on beat 4 of M. 23.

But yeah. I love it! I am gonna add this song to my three-ring binder for sure. :P
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 04:51:34 AM
I agree with where on the beat mlf had it before, but maybe I don't get this because I completely disagree:
Also, the changes you made with the staff/clefs etc. don't account for all the voice incorporations and it doesn't make it that much easier.

How about a compromise?

[MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/nsm/NSM%20subs/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20a%20House12345.mus)
The way Brassman organized the ostinato was worlds easier to read than the monotony that was there before, but I agree with mlf that it sounds more like down beats than constant syncopation.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 31, 2016, 05:00:21 AM
That works.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on December 31, 2016, 05:06:23 AM
Deku is probably gonna call me out on this, but change 26 to a Db. G minor -> Gdim -> F# dim 7 -> G minor makes sense and I don't care about no neighboring chromatics.
Source material: Bar 31 (http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/998)
i - V/V - viio7 - i

Just because the RH twiddles includes some material which echoes LoZ underground and obscures the harmonies a bit, doesn't change that the melody screams A major.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 05:20:15 AM
i was just testing you quick change it back to an A# msf
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on December 31, 2016, 05:26:35 AM
Menu Select - Sebastian:
- The pianist will use pedal how they feel like it, so do you really need to write 'pedal recommended'? It just sounds odd.
- Any reason you put the bass note A up an octave halfway through bar 2?
- You've already marked at the beginning that the bottom two staves are for the LH so why have the lines every bar or so? It's redundant.
- Make sure the 16th rests are on spaces, not on lines.
- Maybe it's just me but the way you've written the LH with the cross staffing and all that looks a bit...all over the place? I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say here but I'm sure there's a solution out there that's a bit easier to read. Now that I think about it, none of that cross staffing is necessary. Stick the whole counter melody in the middle staff. It only goes down 2 ledger lines in treble clef, and down 3 ledger lines for an F in one spot which is certainly not hard. When you've got cross staffing going down to the bass clef, but it's a ledger line or 2 above, it doesn't make sense.


Ballad of Gales - Olimar
-do i swipe left or right
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 05:33:40 AM
Ballad of Gales - Olimar
-do i swipe left or right

u do u boo
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on December 31, 2016, 06:01:30 AM
Inside Forest Haven - Lkjhgfdsa_77:
It's got quite a few transcription errors in the marimba part, particularly in the harmonies, so go over those with a fine tooth comb. I can take a look sometime, but I don't have the time right now.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Brassman388 on December 31, 2016, 06:28:33 PM
I agree with where on the beat mlf had it before, but maybe I don't get this because I completely disagree:
How about a compromise?

[MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/nsm/NSM%20subs/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Inside%20a%20House12345.mus)
The way Brassman organized the ostinato was worlds easier to read than the monotony that was there before, but I agree with mlf that it sounds more like down beats than constant syncopation.

Hmm, okay. I'm here to help somewhat, haha.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on December 31, 2016, 07:11:12 PM
Ohoho well hello there brassman
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Brassman388 on December 31, 2016, 07:44:01 PM
Yo.

I'm on break and FINALLY have time to work on stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 31, 2016, 08:25:49 PM
Farewell Hyrule King (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2vqnqb6fwn30ubs/AAByV3N0sxY0Wbc8aSlPzTfWa?dl=0) (same link)

- M. 1-16 (LH): The first notes of each of these seem to have more force than the others. Maybe you could accent them.

Done. Also accented some of the notes in Layer 1 since sometimes they're equally forceful.

- M. 17-21 (LH): You're missing the added octave. For example:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6tbk9mxkjgpqshg/Screenshot%202016-12-30%2022.41.13.png?dl=1)

Must've missed them the first time through. Added. (With the exception of m18 because I still don't hear it there.)

- M. 22 (LH): There is an Eb in there you're missing.

It's still difficult for me to hear, but I think you're right. Added.

- M. 17-24 (LH): Same as M. 1-16. Seems like some of these notes are almost being pounded; that's how accented they are, especially the eighth notes on beat 4 of M. 23.

Instead of adding accents, I changed the mezzo forte to a forte in m19-20 since those two measures seem to be particularly strong. I think the crescendo is good enough for m21-23, but I did add accents on the two eighth notes in m23.

But yeah. I love it! I am gonna add this song to my three-ring binder for sure. :P

Thanks! ^.^

(I also played around a bit more in the second half, changing the pedal markings in m27, m29, and m31, and changing the dynamics to be stronger.)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 31, 2016, 09:17:46 PM
Menu Select - Sebastian:
- The pianist will use pedal how they feel like it, so do you really need to write 'pedal recommended'? It just sounds odd.
I was hoping to add some pedal marking in there. I thought this sounded decent. I can edit in a different one.

Menu Select - Sebastian:
- Any reason you put the bass note A up an octave halfway through bar 2?
That's the harp.

Menu Select - Sebastian:
- You've already marked at the beginning that the bottom two staves are for the LH so why have the lines every bar or so? It's redundant.
Ok. Fixed.

Menu Select - Sebastian:
- Make sure the 16th rests are on spaces, not on lines.
Ok. Fixed.

Menu Select - Sebastian:
- Maybe it's just me but the way you've written the LH with the cross staffing and all that looks a bit...all over the place? I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say here but I'm sure there's a solution out there that's a bit easier to read. Now that I think about it, none of that cross staffing is necessary. Stick the whole counter melody in the middle staff. It only goes down 2 ledger lines in treble clef, and down 3 ledger lines for an F in one spot which is certainly not hard. When you've got cross staffing going down to the bass clef, but it's a ledger line or 2 above, it doesn't make sense.
I mean, personally, I don't find it hard to read, but that's just me. I don't know about anyone else. I could go ahead and edit it so that it's all on the middle staff. It doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

Done. Also accented some of the notes in Layer 1 since sometimes they're equally forceful.
👍

Farewell Hyrule King (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2vqnqb6fwn30ubs/AAByV3N0sxY0Wbc8aSlPzTfWa?dl=0) (same link)
Must've missed them the first time through. Added. (With the exception of m18 because I still don't hear it there.)
It's still difficult for me to hear, but I think you're right. Added.
Awesome.

Instead of adding accents, I changed the mezzo forte to a forte in m19-20 since those two measures seem to be particularly strong. I think the crescendo is good enough for m21-23, but I did add accents on the two eighth notes in m23.
That works! Great work.

(I also played around a bit more in the second half, changing the pedal markings in m27, m29, and m31, and changing the dynamics to be stronger.)
Sweet. Looks great.

I'm here to help somewhat, haha.
Awesome! It's great to have you back.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 01, 2017, 12:52:18 AM
Quote from: Sebastian
That's the harp.
Well yes, it's all harp. But with the way you've written the rest of it, that note should be in the bottom staff. And either way, it's an octave too high.

Quote from: Sebastian
I was hoping to add some pedal marking in there. I thought this sounded decent. I can edit in a different one.
"Two hands with 10 fingers recommended"
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on January 01, 2017, 01:40:55 AM
10 fingers each? Whoa! :o
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 01, 2017, 05:01:21 AM
Well yes, it's all harp. But with the way you've written the rest of it, that note should be in the bottom staff. And either way, it's an octave too high.
Well, yes. I meant the high harp. There are two As being played: An A a tenth below middle C and an A a 3rd below middle C. The A I added is the 16th note A which is a third below middle C. I don't start adding the bass until it strikes on beat 3 which starts in M. 3.

"Two hands with 10 fingers recommended"
I guess we'll start outlawing pedal markings then. :P
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 01, 2017, 05:18:07 AM
I don't start adding the bass until it strikes on beat 3 which starts in M. 3.
Why? The bass note is much more important. That's what makes that particular syncopation stand out and gives it some meaning. Without it there's no kick and it just floats by on its merry way.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 01, 2017, 05:26:16 AM
Why? The bass note is much more important. That's what makes that particular syncopation stand out and gives it some meaning. Without it there's no kick and it just floats by on its merry way.
Alright then. I can add it.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 12:00:17 AM
The Deku Tree and the Koroks: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eyb9s0acwnc96um/Deku%20Tree.mus?dl=1)

I don't know why I volunteered for that I hate this song. Probably could of been more meticulous but eh
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on January 02, 2017, 04:11:44 AM
Tentatively claiming these, as in I think they're all pretty short and I'll be able to do them all fairly quickly
A Mysterious Giant Bird Attacks
Tetra Discovered
Battle
Dawn
Get Heart Container
Phantom Ganon?
HELMAROC KING
Hero of the Wind
Puppet Ganon (Snake Mode) again...
Game Demo
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 02, 2017, 05:03:46 AM
The Deku Tree and the Koroks: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eyb9s0acwnc96um/Deku%20Tree.mus?dl=1)

I don't know why I volunteered for that I hate this song. Probably could of been more meticulous but eh
I'll take a shot at doing some cleaning up and get back to you.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 07:02:42 AM
Would be much appreciated. Looks pretty shit atm
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 03, 2017, 02:35:06 PM
Would be much appreciated. Looks pretty shit atm
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84117653/Assistance/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20The%20Deku%20Tree%20and%20the%20Koroks.mus

Notes:
- General note fixes around the place. Nothing I particularly feel like mentioning but there were some tricky bits.
- I haven't cleaned up the layout because some of that might depend on what happens with the stuff you haven't read yet.
- I think it might need some more dynamics. I added some in.
- I had some fun with repeats and got it down to 3 pages. Let me know if you think I've lost the plot.
- In the section from bar 2 onwards, I'm not sure what you're aiming for as far as re-articulating (or not re-articulating) the held bass notes. Eg bar 2-3 is 4 minims but then in bar 7-8 it's just held. And then in bar 16 it's not.
- In bar 22 the harp gliss starts somewhere near beat 1 but I just shuffled it over to beat 2 to make it work. I'm not  what you want to do to capture the twinkle in the RH. I tried a trill but that sounds dumb, as do octaves. I guess there's always the multiple fingering trick for hammering out a repeated note but that could be a bit lame. Then again, that bar and half is somewhat lame. Go figure.
- I transcribed bar 24-25. Up to you how you want to arrange it.
- New time sig at 28 onwards. I also moved all the accompaniment in to the bottom staff. I know the RH is going to wind up playing it some of the time but I like seeing repeated material look consistent on the page.
- Bar 41: There's not much you can do to make 4 bars of held chord interesting. Tell the player to use vibrato? Shake the piano perhaps? Hopefully it won't scream "TILT" and start flashing red lights and sirens.
Anyway, starting it a couple of beats late and throwing a gliss in was the best I could think of.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 09:20:51 AM
- I had some fun with repeats and got it down to 3 pages. Let me know if you think I've lost the plot.

Normally I'm against repeat loops like that, but given how ludicrously repetitive the end bit gets I think it's a fair exception.

Quote
- In the section from bar 2 onwards, I'm not sure what you're aiming for as far as re-articulating (or not re-articulating) the held bass notes. Eg bar 2-3 is 4 minims but then in bar 7-8 it's just held. And then in bar 16 it's not.

That's just what I heard. Probably imagining things.


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- In bar 22 the harp gliss starts somewhere near beat 1 but I just shuffled it over to beat 2 to make it work. I'm not  what you want to do to capture the twinkle in the RH. I tried a trill but that sounds dumb, as do octaves. I guess there's always the multiple fingering trick for hammering out a repeated note but that could be a bit lame. Then again, that bar and half is somewhat lame. Go figure.

Oh so that's what's going on. I heard it as two voices on top of each other that go into unison halfway through. I didn't even bother transcribing the twinkle because I though it would be pain to play without really adding much.

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- I transcribed bar 24-25. Up to you how you want to arrange it.

I kind of liked what I had before, although I had no idea there were so many notes in that sustained voice. I'll get around to arranging it some day....

Quote
- New time sig at 28 onwards. I also moved all the accompaniment in to the bottom staff. I know the RH is going to wind up playing it some of the time but I like seeing repeated material look consistent on the page.

Curious as to why you think a compound meter is better. Probably becuase I looked at it as more of a syncopation than a 2 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 3. As for putting everything in the bottom, I wanted to keep the arrangement at a fairly easy difficulty level so I prefered just omitting the middle voice in areas where the L.H. would have to make big jumps. If you don't think it's an issue though then I don't mind; I'm not too fond of this piece so I don't feel strongly one way or the other.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 04, 2017, 12:52:35 PM
Normally I'm against repeat loops like that, but given how ludicrously repetitive the end bit gets I think it's a fair exception.
Yeah same here. I just thought I'd try something different.

That's just what I heard. Probably imagining things.
I didn't think any of the notes were re-articulated (as in the only articulated bits were the note changes).

Oh so that's what's going on. I heard it as two voices on top of each other that go into unison halfway through. I didn't even bother transcribing the twinkle because I though it would be pain to play without really adding much.
Well there's that too. There are a couple of voices on the whole tone-based run, and then the harp gliss with it's own harmony. I just went for something that is clear and works.

I kind of liked what I had before, although I had no idea there were so many notes in that sustained voice. I'll get around to arranging it some day....
It's your arrangement so you do whatever you want with it. I'm just sharing my thoughts or approaches and you don't have to follow them or anything.

Curious as to why you think a compound meter is better. Probably because I looked at it as more of a syncopation than a 2 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 3. As for putting everything in the bottom, I wanted to keep the arrangement at a fairly easy difficulty level so I preferred just omitting the middle voice in areas where the L.H. would have to make big jumps. If you don't think it's an issue though then I don't mind; I'm not too fond of this piece so I don't feel strongly one way or the other.
A couple of things. Firstly I kinda thought it felt a bit like 7/8 + 5/8. Second, there's no beat that it's bouncing off (when tambourine comes in a couple of bars in it just highlights the same pattern). And I also thought it better highlighted the relationship between that and the 10/8 later on. But again, your sheet, up to you.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 04, 2017, 08:20:25 PM
[GCN] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

Fencing Instruction     (http://goo.gl/Nzw6x1) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7zlso6voqj87eri/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Fencing%20Instruction.mus?dl=1)

Odd piece, but easy nevertheless.

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 05, 2017, 07:36:24 AM
Not sure if you knew, but if you let Finale do its default measure distribution, it fits on one page with room to fiddle.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 05, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
Yeah, I knew that. 5-5-6-6-5 looked a little tight, especially since there are two layers, clef changes, and 8vas in some spots.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Bloop on January 06, 2017, 10:30:09 PM
Jalhalla
[MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100796699/Nieuwe%20map/Wind%20Waker/Jalhalla.mus)

Is it really necessary to also arrange the "[insert boss] 2nd time" themes? I feel like it'll be almost the same arrangement as the original boss themes.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on January 06, 2017, 10:37:49 PM
If memory serves the flashbacks sound pretty different
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Bloop on January 06, 2017, 11:36:40 PM
If memory serves the flashbacks sound pretty different
Well they do, but note-wise they're pretty much the same.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on January 06, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
I haven't listened closely, but:
- No one has to arrange the second version. The list is there, but we're not going for 100% completion.
- If they're that similar you can probably incorporate it into your sheet (a few different ways this can happen).
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 07, 2017, 12:50:44 AM
I'll take
Disc 1:
20) Forsaken Fortress Invasion 1
22) Forsaken Fortress.
23) Imprisonment.
26) Rendezvous With the Ship 2
27) Rendezvous With the Ship 3
73) To Hyrule
Disc 2:
01) Sealed Hyrule Castle
Question: This song is basically a decrepit version of Hyrule Castle, but with just the Introduction and the Conclusion. You think I should just not do it or..? Either way works for me.

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on January 07, 2017, 06:41:52 AM
Why is my name in the op
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on January 07, 2017, 06:45:44 AM
Because you claimed like ten songs?
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on January 07, 2017, 08:26:03 AM
No I mean like randomly in the op not next to a song
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on January 07, 2017, 06:30:21 PM
because I can't type
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 07, 2017, 10:35:33 PM
[GCN] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

Forbidden Woods     (http://goo.gl/Nzw6x1) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zqozhn7hdue7era/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Forbidden%20Woods.mus?dl=1)

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 08, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
[GCN] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

Forsaken Fortress Invasion 1     (http://goo.gl/Nzw6x1) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/j6gmz2bh47upfmr/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Forsaken%20Fortress%20Invasion%201.mus?dl=1)

I. Hate. This. Song.

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Brassman388 on January 08, 2017, 07:52:31 PM
Turn those sharps in the 2nd tenorline into naturals and you'll be in business.

The flute line could use some work as well. That's where I would use double sharps.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 08, 2017, 10:23:51 PM
Turn those sharps in the 2nd tenorline into naturals and you'll be in business.
Are you referring to the double sharps?
I mean, this song is really weird. I don't know if there is any "correct" way.
I used Fx because I think it'd be weird to have G naturals and C#s in the same measure (it seems to contradict the V [G#min]; same with the Fx and B#/C# combo in M. 9.

The flute line could use some work as well. That's where I would use double sharps.
The only double sharp(s) that sounds reasonable in the flute section would be in M. 22--a Cx vs. D nat.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Brassman388 on January 09, 2017, 12:02:10 AM
At this point, you want the most logical and smoothest line possible, despite the theory behind the chord structure.

That's up to you, though. From a performer's standpoint, it's a bit hard to read.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 09, 2017, 05:48:54 AM
At this point, you want the most logical and smoothest line possible, despite the theory behind the chord structure.

That's up to you, though. From a performer's standpoint, it's a bit hard to read.
Very, very true. I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 09, 2017, 01:48:33 PM
Forsaken Fortress 1:
-The top note of the RH in bar 18 should land on beat 2. Ie the triplet should start one beat 1 with the rest included
-The run in bar 22 should start an 8th after beat 2. (So the last note falls on beat 4). Also, maybe respell the Cnat as a B#?
-Beaming. I don't usually mention beaming because people have their own preferences, but if I take a quick glance at the bass riff in bar 1, it isn't immediately visually obvious that the B falls on beat 4. Yes there are enough beats in the bar, and yes if you count it out it obviously falls on beat 4, but it doesn't look like it.

I'll have a closer look at the harmonies and accidentals when I'm more awake. I suspect there may be a couple of craftily obscured voices in there.

Eg there's an upper A natural in bar 15
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 09, 2017, 06:05:56 PM
-The top note of the RH in bar 18 should land on beat 2. Ie the triplet should start one beat 1 with the rest included
Lol, I could not get these freakin' flutes rhythmically correct to save my life. xD
There, I fixed that.

-The run in bar 22 should start an 8th after beat 2. (So the last note falls on beat 4). Also, maybe respell the Cnat as a B#?
Ah, thanks so much. I was killing myself over this mess lol. Fixed.


Also, maybe respell the Cnat as a B#?
I could, but I was actually planning on changing them all anyway. According to Brassman, they're theoretically correct, but not very helpful to a performer's eye.
I'll wait to change them until you get back to me on this (I love your opinion):
I'll have a closer look at the harmonies and accidentals when I'm more awake.


-Beaming. I don't usually mention beaming because people have their own preferences, but if I take a quick glance at the bass riff in bar 1, it isn't immediately visually obvious that the B falls on beat 4. Yes there are enough beats in the bar, and yes if you count it out it obviously falls on beat 4, but it doesn't look like it.
Actually, I do get what you're saying. Well, let me explain the notation of the drum beat. I wanted to make them all the same note length since that's how they are in the original. So I notated them as eighths (the eighth rests clearly show the beats, most importantly the third). I was originally gonna do this:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/97iel9s2yscgxz7/Screenshot%202017-01-09%2011.55.19.png?dl=1)
But
1. It looks oddly beamed.
2. I want them all the same length-- eighth notes.
Same with this (another idea I had):
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vkw2srwklsojpwi/Screenshot%202017-01-09%2011.55.29.png?dl=1)
In my opinion, I think the current way is the easiest to read (since the quarter notes seem to add to the ambiguity) and closest to the original. Just my opinion though.

Eg there's an upper A natural in bar 15
I purposely left that out to match the dyad notation consistency shown in the song before this point.

Updated version:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j6gmz2bh47upfmr/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Forsaken%20Fortress%20Invasion%201.mus?dl=1
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on January 09, 2017, 10:38:41 PM
BrainyLucario has contacted me to claim the following:
34   Get Treasure Box - BrainyLucario
35   Open Treasure Box - BrainyLucario
36   Get Item - BrainyLucario
37   Get Small Item - BrainyLucario
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 10, 2017, 01:18:33 AM
Actually, I do get what you're saying. Well, let me explain the notation of the drum beat. I wanted to make them all the same note length since that's how they are in the original. So I notated them as eighths (the eighth rests clearly show the beats, most importantly the third). I was originally gonna do this:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/97iel9s2yscgxz7/Screenshot%202017-01-09%2011.55.19.png?dl=1)
But
1. It looks oddly beamed.
2. I want them all the same length-- eighth notes.
Same with this (another idea I had):
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vkw2srwklsojpwi/Screenshot%202017-01-09%2011.55.29.png?dl=1)
In my opinion, I think the current way is the easiest to read (since the quarter notes seem to add to the ambiguity) and closest to the original. Just my opinion though.
Erm...I didn't say anything about changing note lengths, just break the beam.

Edit: and if you're going to talk purely about readability, the first picture is easiest by far.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 10, 2017, 03:29:33 AM
and if you're going to talk purely about readability, the first picture is easiest by far.

qft
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 10, 2017, 03:34:50 AM
Erm...I didn't say anything about changing note lengths, just break the beam.
Ok.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 11, 2017, 09:14:43 AM
Right, let's see here.... accidentals.

I'm trying to cover as many possibilities here as I can think of so this might get a bit long winded and pointless. I'm sure I would've missed some things, or maybe reached the odd silly conclusion but that's the fun of discussing stuff.

Bar 3: I know what you're thinking with the Fx, but what do you gain? It's not like the Fx is explicitly functioning as a chromatic neighbour note or as a part of a vii/V or V/V. And then 2 beats later we have an A coming in a tone higher. Only it's apparently not a major second, but a diminished 3rd and it's not really obvious why. On a side note, it's also worth mentioning that (in general, this isn't necessarily gospel) raised notes tend to want to resolve upwards and lowered notes tend to want to resolve downwards (for example, that's why augmented 6th chords are spelled the way they are). But then lo and behold, 2 bars later the Fx resolves down to an E. I'm also aware that you could interpret bar 3 as borrowing from augmented 6th harmony, but I'm not sure that fits. Either way, flip a coin.

Bar 8: I don't really have an issue with this one because it's a resolving 4-3 suspension.

Bar 9: I'm not sure about this one. The Diminished 7th moving down by semitone to the major 6th in bar 11 can look a bit odd. And back to bar 9 the Fx moving out to the A doesn't really look like it sounds (perf 5th -> maj 6th). Bearing in mind that the bass voice keeps moving down by half step, I'm inclined to go for a lowered spelling rather than a raised one (Ie Cnat, Gnat & A nat). You could also look at the A/B# as belonging to the viio7 chord of C# minor but I'd be hesitant to do that because of how it sounds. Yes there's a C# down the bottom but it's an ostinato and therefore has limited harmonic function. And when you listen to that bar, it definitely doesn't sound like vii harmony and it is important to let your ear guide you in these things. Another option is to spell the Anat as a Gx, but you might give Brassman a heart attack.

Bar 12: G natural? (major 6th -> minor 6th)

Bar 13: The bass line is moving down to the A, so you could show tendency that with a Bb instead of an A# (Yes I know that'd give you a false relation with the Bnat in the  LH, but it is an ostinato. Besides, I'm just throwing around ideas). Then you'd have Gnat moving up to Ab in the top voice. I think what you do with this bar depends on whether you want to have a Gnat or Fx in the bar before. They're linked so whatever you do has to follow.

Bar 14: The arrival note really sounds like the A in the bass voice, so it might make more sense to have a Gnat instead of the Fx. Yeah I know I mentioned the possibility of augmented 6th chords before, but I'm going with how it sounds.

That wasn't quite as coherent as I would've liked but hopefully there's some food for thought. The two important things to note are: 1) Trust your ear. It will pick up things that staring at the page won't; and 2) Experiment. Play around with some spellings, leave them for a day or two, come back to them and see what you think. Look at other music in the mean time and see how it treats chromatic movement, you never know where ideas can come from. For easy to follow chromatic voice leading that moves pretty quickly through funky harmonies, Gesualdo is good fun.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Brassman388 on January 11, 2017, 04:41:13 PM
You just compressed, like, three to four weeks of theory. 

Hahaha.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 12, 2017, 05:34:30 PM
Thanks for the response and sorry for my late response! I forgot.

I'm trying to cover as many possibilities here as I can think of so this might get a bit long winded and pointless. I'm sure I would've missed some things, or maybe reached the odd silly conclusion but that's the fun of discussing stuff.
No problem. Discussing is an excellent learning experience for us both.

Bar 3: I know what you're thinking with the Fx, but what do you gain? It's not like the Fx is explicitly functioning as a chromatic neighbour note or as a part of a vii/V or V/V. And then 2 beats later we have an A coming in a tone higher. Only it's apparently not a major second, but a diminished 3rd and it's not really obvious why. On a side note, it's also worth mentioning that (in general, this isn't necessarily gospel) raised notes tend to want to resolve upwards and lowered notes tend to want to resolve downwards (for example, that's why augmented 6th chords are spelled the way they are). But then lo and behold, 2 bars later the Fx resolves down to an E. I'm also aware that you could interpret bar 3 as borrowing from augmented 6th harmony, but I'm not sure that fits. Either way, flip a coin.
Pretty much. Basically what I told Brassman earlier. Either way works.
I believe the advantage of having a G natural is to give the performer an easier time, so I guess I'll go ahead and change it.

Bar 8: I don't really have an issue with this one because it's a resolving 4-3 suspension.
Awesome.

Yes there's a C# down the bottom but it's an ostinato and therefore has limited harmonic function. And when you listen to that bar, it definitely doesn't sound like vii harmony and it is important to let your ear guide you in these things. Another option is to spell the Anat as a Gx, but you might give Brassman a heart attack.

This was one of my main reasons for not putting a C natural-- because of the C# in the left hand; however, your point is excellent. In all honesty, I was reluctant to put an Fx because of the ostinato in the left hand. It was too repetitive, but I still put a Fx just to be safe. 

Bearing in mind that the bass voice keeps moving down by half step, I'm inclined to go for a lowered spelling rather than a raised one (Ie Cnat, Gnat & A nat).

This makes the most sense in my opinion. I'll go ahead and incorporate this spelling.

Bar 12: G natural? (major 6th -> minor 6th)
Aye. Fixed.

Bar 13: The bass line is moving down to the A, so you could show tendency that with a Bb instead of an A# (Yes I know that'd give you a false relation with the Bnat in the  LH, but it is an ostinato. Besides, I'm just throwing around ideas).
Once again, same thing as M. 9-- I wanted to avoid the Bb/B in the same measure, but I did update the accidentals since I updated them in the last measure.

Bar 14: The arrival note really sounds like the A in the bass voice, so it might make more sense to have a Gnat instead of the Fx. Yeah I know I mentioned the possibility of augmented 6th chords before, but I'm going with how it sounds.
Ok then. Fixed.

That wasn't quite as coherent as I would've liked but hopefully there's some food for thought.
Your insight was helpful. Thank you.

1) Trust your ear. It will pick up things that staring at the page won't
This is usually what I do and it seems to lead me wrong more than right. Since I knew this would be a tough song accidental-wise, I thought I'd depend less on my ear and chromatic movement and more on analyzing the notes/chords and, as you say, "staring at the page." I guess that didn't work out for me this time though lol.

2) Experiment. Play around with some spellings, leave them for a day or two, come back to them and see what you think. Look at other music in the mean time and see how it treats chromatic movement, you never know where ideas can come from.
I'll probably do more of this then. Sounds like a good plan.

For easy to follow chromatic voice leading that moves pretty quickly through funky harmonies, Gesualdo is good fun.
AHHH, Gesualdo is fantastic. I really enjoy vocal music like the compositions he composed.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on January 14, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
[GCN] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker

To Hyrule     (http://goo.gl/Nzw6x1) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5ggtsuik90fjoy/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20To%20Hyrule.mus?dl=1)

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on January 16, 2017, 11:52:12 PM
The MIDI soundfont for "To Hyrule" is Choir Aahs instead of piano.



Inside Forest Haven - Lkjhgfdsa_77:
It's got quite a few transcription errors in the marimba part, particularly in the harmonies, so go over those with a fine tooth comb. I can take a look sometime, but I don't have the time right now.
I would assume you mean the repeating part (don't think that there's any other marimba anyway). I haven't spent some time looking at it yet, but after another listen I can at least hear some parts mainly in the fourth beat that a percussion notation would be better.

Edit (24 Jan 2017) - After finally beating Wind Waker myself I will tentatively claim Mini-Boss and Ganon's Tower.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Maelstrom on February 26, 2017, 09:24:01 PM
Anyone still working on their sheets?
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on February 26, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
Hey everyone: if you've claimed something, try to get it in here ASAP.

Ninjad
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on February 26, 2017, 11:00:43 PM
Well dang I need to do a lot of arranging sometime soon. I've got a lot of school stuff to deal with atm tho >:(
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on February 27, 2017, 02:01:03 AM
Same. Spring break is next week. I'll try to get them done then.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Maelstrom on February 27, 2017, 03:42:50 AM
Accepted:
Menu Select - Sebastian
Inside a House - Sebastian
Grandpa's House - Latios212
Fencing Instruction - Sebastian
Forsaken Fortress Invasion 1 - Sebastian
Wind's Requiem - Olimar12345
Song of Passing - Olimar12345
Command Melody (Baton) - Olimar12345
To Hyrule - Sebastian
Hyrule Castle - Sebastian
Ballad of Gales - Olimar 12345

PROGRESS!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on February 27, 2017, 06:15:16 AM
Anyone still working on their sheets?
Hey everyone: if you've claimed something, try to get it in here ASAP.
Coming right up!

Outset Island :) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/n2aap0qfv2v7l9f/141%20-%20Outset%20Island.mus?dl=1)

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on February 27, 2017, 08:15:43 PM
I need to un-claim all my stuff.  I did have two smaller ones done, but that was on my brother's laptop and he deleted them because he hates me
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on March 04, 2017, 03:53:30 AM
Edit (24 Jan 2017) - After finally beating Wind Waker myself I will tentatively claim Mini-Boss and Ganon's Tower.

Started Ganon's Tower for the Wind Waker arrangement project. With use of repeats I was able to get this down to 16 measures. I have a basic layout of the sheet, but it will need some work. The piano chords throughout the entire piece will need major overhauling, and the second half will need playability fixes that could easily be fixed by just bringing the low note up an octave. I want to have a better notation for the ornamentation of the vocals, I used grace notes whenever possible but I can't figure out what to use for the ornaments at the beginning of m10 and m14. An inverted mordent even with a flat can't cover a major third...

Ganon's Tower||The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
40
55%, chords need a lot of work.mid (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ubjnay2r8sedwf/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ganon%27s%20Tower.mid?dl=0)
.mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhavj1a8ubz6bma/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ganon%27s%20Tower.mus?dl=0)
.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/lrni4wyw613mke6/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ganon%27s%20Tower.pdf?dl=0)

Arranged Mini-Boss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF24XSYYiDw) for the Wind Waker Arrangement Project. Between the melody, strummed string harmonies, and bassline, there weren't many problems with the arranging. However, when the strummed strings drop out at 0:39 (m29), it seems a little bland and a replacement "filler" would be nice. In addition, the lower countermelody at 0:56 (m41) seems too low and it sounds odd when put at the same octave as the higher part. At the same spot, I wanted to distinguish the Cb Minor scale after the C Major rise four measures before, which lands on its diminished fifth / augmented fourth (F#/Gb) but there was already a Fn right before... I ended up using a double flat (as well as Cb) and if there's a better way to do it let me know. As always there are some minor formatting errors (as well as my slide notation... do people do that?) as well as a lack of a better way to let the performer know that the dotted eighth / sixteenth (dotted quaver / semiquaver) is meant to be played softer than the melody. Note that I didn't arrange the string hits in the repeat under the impression that they just happen when Link hits an enemy; if I should add them in let me know.

Mini-Boss||The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
50
78%, not sure if I should arrange a part but it's good to go.mid (https://www.dropbox.com/s/odpxle05pquqrfi/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Mini-Boss.mid?dl=0)
.mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv54i64b947qvu9/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Mini-Boss.mus?dl=0)
.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyzg8mttjf6pyh4/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Mini-Boss.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 04, 2017, 11:23:16 AM
 Not sure with the whole percentage thing means, but since you posted them I'll make a few comments.

Ganon's Tower
-If you move Kenya Nagata's name under Koji Kondo's, it won't jut all the way out to the title.
-Only able to see the PDF right now, what's up with the text "treble clef" and "bass clef?" Those need to not be there.
-The 8vb you have written in the LH is impossible to play on the piano, since those low Eb, D's (etc.) are the lowest on the instrument already.
-Use a bass clef for the RH in the first system. 
-The LH in the second system has way too wide intervals to be reachable on the piano. You could probably play the highest notes with the RH, so try putting them in later two of the RH.
-"Preserve pitch unless otherwise noted?" What does that even mean lol.

There's probably a lot more to say, but that should give you something to do for now.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on March 05, 2017, 01:46:45 AM
a few comments

A lot of what you said is mentioned in the little description before the quote-ception. I will often upload my arrangements as works in progress and I have created two numbers per arrangement to help people gauge how much I have worked of will work on an arrangement. The first is LDA (Lkj's Degree of Abandonment); 0 means that I will do anything to work on it and 100 means that I will never touch it again. The second is the completion percentage along with vague notes.

When working with an in-progress arrangement, I will sometimes use text in place of actual notation. "Preserve pitch" means that when adding in a clef change or ottava marking, one should keep the exact pitch of the note, in contrast with "preserve written placement" which would be to keep its position on the staff. As you should be able to tell I have NotePad so if you would like to fix these for me (and contribute to NASF (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9000.0)) you are free to do so.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 05, 2017, 05:35:32 PM
A lot of what you said is mentioned in the little description before the quote-ception.

Um no, it looks like just this:

Quote
The piano chords throughout the entire piece will need major overhauling, and the second half will need playability fixes...

Also, as a side note: Trying not to sound rude, I really don't need an in-depth reason and analysis as to why it needs work (Although I do thank you for explaining that numbering thing to me). I (we) just need you to submit arrangements when they're complete so that we don't waste our time reviewing an arrangement just to get the slap-in-the-face response that "oh, it's like that because it isn't done yet."

When working with an in-progress arrangement, I will sometimes use text in place of actual notation. "Preserve pitch" means that when adding in a clef change or ottava marking, one should keep the exact pitch of the note, in contrast with "preserve written placement" which would be to keep its position on the staff. As you should be able to tell I have NotePad so if you would like to fix these for me (and contribute to NASF (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9000.0)) you are free to do so.

Try this. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=685.0)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Onionleaf on March 08, 2017, 09:01:23 AM
**dumps pile on desk**

2.02 Get Master Sword [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108749630/Arrangements/Zelda/Get%20Master%20Sword.mus)
2.16 Zelda's Awakening [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108749630/Arrangements/Zelda/Zelda%27s%20Awakening.mus)
2.35 Wind Temple [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108749630/Arrangements/Zelda/Wind%20Temple.mus)

These might need a bit more work here and there... I'm sleepy... poke me awake some time if you ever need me to fix these.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on July 31, 2017, 06:17:57 PM
This is the final call for people with arrangements still in progress. We are hoping to finish this project up soon so get your arrangements in asap!

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on August 04, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
Accepted:
55   Farewell Hyrule King - mastersuperfan


59   The Deku Tree and the Koroks - FireArrow:
- I transcribed bar 24-25. Up to you how you want to arrange it.
Just fix this and this arrangement is good to go.
Also, one optional thing-- dynamics. What do you think of adding a couple more dynamics? You could add a forte at the top of the crescendo in M. 22 and then decrescendo back down after. And then down again in M. 26. Totally up to you though.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 15, 2017, 11:36:13 AM
Cancelling my claims, I wouldn't be able to finish them at the moment
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 20, 2017, 05:15:02 PM
This is the final FINAL call for people with arrangements still in progress to finish them and post them.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on November 21, 2017, 05:59:35 AM
**dumps pile on desk**

2.02 Get Master Sword [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108749630/Arrangements/Zelda/Get%20Master%20Sword.mus)
2.16 Zelda's Awakening [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108749630/Arrangements/Zelda/Zelda%27s%20Awakening.mus)
2.35 Wind Temple [MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108749630/Arrangements/Zelda/Wind%20Temple.mus)

These might need a bit more work here and there... I'm sleepy... poke me awake some time if you ever need me to fix these.
Sorry for the late late response, but I can't find these files on my computer and the links are broken...
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on November 21, 2017, 06:15:26 AM
Also, as a side note: Trying not to sound rude, I really don't need an in-depth reason and analysis as to why it needs work (Although I do thank you for explaining that numbering thing to me). I (we) just need you to submit arrangements when they're complete so that we don't waste our time reviewing an arrangement just to get the slap-in-the-face response that "oh, it's like that because it isn't done yet."

Try this. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=685.0)
Hello, Lkjhgfdsa? For your sheets to be included in the project, we need submission-ready copies of your claims.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Onionleaf on December 22, 2017, 05:00:05 AM
Sorry for the late late response, but I can't find these files on my computer and the links are broken...

Sorry for my even later response, I have been super busy. :-\

Get Master Sword: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1ncjiv2dpzl2l2/Get%20Master%20Sword.mus?dl=1)
Wind Temple: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/d06y4e8c8owgkyj/Wind%20Temple.mus?dl=1)
Zelda's Awakening: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/s5kphxwmf6i0lpq/Zelda%27s%20Awakening.mus?dl=1)

(Let me know if you'll have any queries, though I'll be out of town 23-30 Dec.)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 22, 2017, 05:04:33 AM
Sorry for my even later response, I have been super busy. :-\

Get Master Sword: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/m1ncjiv2dpzl2l2/Get%20Master%20Sword.mus?dl=1)
Wind Temple: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/d06y4e8c8owgkyj/Wind%20Temple.mus?dl=1)
Zelda's Awakening: [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/s5kphxwmf6i0lpq/Zelda%27s%20Awakening.mus?dl=1)

(Let me know if you'll have any queries, though I'll be out of town 23-30 Dec.)

Added to the DB folder. Thanks!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on December 23, 2017, 02:26:15 PM
Hello, Lkjhgfdsa? For your sheets to be included in the project, we need submission-ready copies of your claims.
Sorry, I must have missed this in the recent posts thing and only saw it now. However, I made some note and formatting edits to the sheet, so -

-If you move Kenta Nagata's name under Koji Kondo's, it won't jut all the way out to the title.
Done.

Quote
-Only able to see the PDF right now, what's up with the text "treble clef" and "bass clef?" Those need to not be there.
-The 8vb you have written in the LH is impossible to play on the piano, since those low Eb, D's (etc.) are the lowest on the instrument already.
-Use a bass clef for the RH in the first system. 
-"Preserve pitch unless otherwise noted?" What does that even mean lol.
Removed / fixed with actual correct notation.

Quote
-The LH in the second system has way too wide intervals to be reachable on the piano. You could probably play the highest notes with the RH, so try putting them in later two of the RH.
After a re-arrange of the piano pattern (which turned out to be way more consistent with itself), I decided to bump the low bass note up an octave in the second part so it could be played as a single chord with the left hand. Because 3-note-to-3-note grace note patterns are a bit challenging, I put the low bass in the second layer and in parenthesis. For some reason the grace notes in the two layers don't line up, but I couldn't find a way to fix that.

Files -
Ganon's Tower||The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
50
80%, a bit messy but ready for submission to the project.mid (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ubjnay2r8sedwf/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ganon%27s%20Tower.mid?dl=0)
.mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/bhavj1a8ubz6bma/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ganon%27s%20Tower.mus?dl=0)
.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/lrni4wyw613mke6/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ganon%27s%20Tower.pdf?dl=0).musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vakdfq0ec844rzf/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Ganon%27s%20Tower.musx?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 24, 2017, 05:10:07 AM
I finished "Rendevous with the Ship 2" and added it to the DB folder.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 24, 2017, 08:03:06 PM
Accepted:
2-40 Ganon's Castle - Lkjhgfdsa_77 and Olimar12345
Some reworking of this sheet, but all the kinks have been worked out.

2-16 Zelda's Awakening - Onionleaf

1-19 - Inside the Pirate Ship - Static
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 26, 2017, 03:00:47 AM
I finished "Ending" and added it to the DB folder.

EDIT: I also finished "Zunari's Store" and added it to the DB folder.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on December 26, 2017, 05:12:08 AM
Newly accepted:

04   Outset Island - Latios212
60   Forbidden Woods - Sebastian
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 26, 2017, 05:19:04 AM
woah this still exists
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on December 26, 2017, 05:38:01 AM
Finished two others: "Imprisonment" and "Get Orb." Added those to the DB folder.

woah this still exists
ikr lol
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on December 26, 2017, 07:47:09 PM
Newly accepted this morning:

59   The Deku Tree and the Koroks - FireArrow

29   Jalhalla - Bloop
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: BrainyLucario on January 11, 2018, 10:06:51 PM
I'll take Tetra Discovered if no one else has
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Latios212 on January 13, 2018, 05:40:33 AM
Accepted:

04   Outset Island (Two pianos) - The Deku Trombonist (minor edits)
11   The Forest of Outset Island - Static
26   Rendezvous with the Ship 2 - Sebastian
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 15, 2018, 05:45:10 AM
Wind Temple - Onionleaf

Wow this is quite a challenging one to arrange (and transcribe), so thumbs up for giving it a shot. Hajime Wakai certainly threw us a curveball with this one.

Here are the links to my edited version. I didn't go through the whole thing, just made some suggestions for you to go on with if you'd like.
Musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/du7lsykdn93827w/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple.musx?dl=1) | Mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/j9lxk9qq0c2344b/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple.mus?dl=1)

Notes
- The tempo was one beat off (picky, I know). I'm not sure how you worked it out, but when I use a tempo tapping tool I try and go for as long as possible. Ideally a whole minute.
- I edited the expression text a little bit to what I thought was a better fit. Feel free to change it back. Just a note on text boxes though: I noticed that the 'marcato a melodia' text was in a box which was attached to the page. Whenever I write text that is related to the music itself, I always go to Text -> Assign New Text to Measure. That way, if you need to adjust your layout, copy something to another document or whatever it is, the text will remain glued to that bar. I just find it makes things much simpler. Or depending on what you need another alternative is to make a new expression with the expression editor.
- I made some formatting adjustments, it should look a lot better in general. I know there are some colliding items on the second page but I only really focused on the first 3 lines on the first page.

- Okay, onto the arrangement itself. I think that having both of the ostinatos present doesn't work. For one, I think it sounds cluttered. It works in the original track because of the nature of the flute sound and also that the other instruments have quite different timbres so no-one is stepping over anyone's toes. Secondly, the echo line then has to disappear to make way for any other more interesting parts that come along. So in that regard it feels (and looks like) like something that's just there to fill the space. Ideally the piano arrangement should be able to stand up on its own, without needing to have heard the original track to make sense of it. And I think this is one of those instances.
- And with the ostinato gone I got rid of the slur markings over the interjections in the RH, I didn't think they really served a purpose.
- I also made a couple of note changes in the RH from bars 5-12. Mainly transcription things and maybe one or two little things to bring out the 'melody' a bit more. I know that part is a nightmare to transcribe. And bar 9-12 needed to be moved one 8th note to the right. I might have another look at this bit in a couple of days and see if something needs tweaking.
- I just had a quick look at the section at bar 13 and it sounds a bit muddy and is in need of revision. As it is, the melody and ostinato are tripping over each other and share notes a few too many times for my liking. Have a play with it, see what you can come up with. It would also be worth considering the overall structure of the arrangement and mapping out the different section. Do you want the ostinato to be present throughout the entire sheet and give it a sort of relentlessness or is better to take it out in some sections to give some breathing room and some contrast? There's lots that can be done with this sheet and I think the nature of the original track forces you to be creative in some ways.

Let me know you have any questions/issues/whatever. I can look at the rest another time if you'd like.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 15, 2018, 10:09:13 PM
For the arrangement project:

[GCN] - The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
-Encounter with Tetra [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/9wr2cp2juk3h8di/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Encounter%20with%20Tetra.mus?dl=1) [Midi] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/an64tesb0eqmphs/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Encounter%20with%20Tetra.mid?dl=1) [PDF] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewrwzkvrf0maxiy/%5BGCN%5D%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda-The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Encounter%20with%20Tetra.pdf?dl=1) [NEW]
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 17, 2018, 05:52:04 AM
Encounter with Tetra

- In bar 3 where you've got the 8va, I'd extend it a little so that you can actually see a line with an end point just to clear it up a little. Like this:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/496eyj3n0bexc0x/LoZ%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Encounter%20With%20Tetra%20%281%29.png?dl=1)

- There's a stray C# in bar 4 when you've used Db everywhere else in this section. Actually, personally I'd use C# instead because the last 8 bars have echoes of Dmaj. And so does bar 6. Then the opening spelling are all based on modes of D.

- In bar 5 the xylophone plays an F# under the C on beat 3.

- The melody in bar 7 isn't right, it goes G-F#-G-F#. Also, the A on beat 4 is part of the melody (apart from being in the same instrument) so that would belong better in the RH. Like this: (https://www.dropbox.com/s/c7t2hov5hqqoist/LoZ%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Encounter%20With%20Tetra%20%282%29.png?dl=1)

- Any reason you didn't include the lower A (bass pizz.) on beat 1 of bar 9?

- I would consider using tenutos for the last bar-and-a-beat because just as a gentle wake up to whoever is reading it that in a sea of staccati, these are long.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 17, 2018, 06:32:46 AM
-Actually, I intentionally left out the bracket because I thought it looked tacky and unnecessary. Plenty of piano pieces write figures like that.

-I originally put Db in those parts because that whole section is based on augmented triads, and I used Db aug. Now that I look at it though, A aug might make more sense in some places.

-Missed that F#, I'll add that in.

-Not entirely correct about measure 7. The A on beat four is plated by the xylophone, which is playing an arpeggiated part. You can tell because two measures later you hear this part without the music-box thing above it. I agree with the G though, and I think I was hearing the xylophone part there.

-The missing A in measure 9 was an oversite. Added. Thanks.

-Nice suggestion with the tenutos, I added them.



The above links should work for the updated version.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on January 17, 2018, 07:10:06 AM
Gohdan (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wbjklsqw08q5pqy/Gohdan.mus?dl=1)

Lots of things in this you guys might want to shoot me over.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 17, 2018, 01:56:39 PM
-Actually, I intentionally left out the bracket because I thought it looked tacky and unnecessary. Plenty of piano pieces write figures like that.
Hmm, obviously we've been reading from different books. I was under the impression that it was only done that way maybe for the last note of a piece, but not necessarily. I have seen plenty of single notes done the way I mentioned. But your sheet, up to you.

The A on beat four is plated by the xylophone, which is playing an arpeggiated part.
Sorry, my bad.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: mikey on January 17, 2018, 07:07:07 PM
Gohdan (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wbjklsqw08q5pqy/Gohdan.mus?dl=1)

Lots of things in this you guys might want to shoot me over.
I understood that reference
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 18, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
Just enough time to make a small start on Gohdan before I go to bed.
Mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yrkjsoveqjhbzny/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Gohdan.mus?dl=1) | Musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5fcuemyfjcer20i/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Gohdan.musx?dl=1) (yeah I know I haven't tidied it up)

That 5/4 bar near the end isn't meant to be there. You added a couple of 8th note rests earlier (one at the start of 62 and another one a couple of bars later). It should look roughly like it does in the link above.

I also messed around a bit with 37-40. I think that's a spot where you can break out of the fugue thing and branch out into a different texture. At the moment parts of the arrangement sound a bit empty and in need of more breadth and I think that's a place where you can do something about it relatively easily.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on January 18, 2018, 09:11:07 PM
I guess my dream of 3 pages was never meant to be.

Any other spots you want more filled out? The first section I wanted to preserve the canon so I opted to leave the out the bass. The rest of the piece was just trying to keep it playable. The last section I thought about imitating the percussion or figuring out where in the bass I could use octaves but I got lazy.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 19, 2018, 04:24:46 AM
Okay I've looked through the first page. The links are the same as the ones in my previous post.

- I added a couple of staccatos I thought we're missing. Take a look, see what you think. A couple of them were kind of borderline "ehhh do I do it or not"
- Bar 12, RH there is a rest on beat 4, the Eb is not rearticulated. I know it's a little ambiguous there but you can definitely hear it when it comes again in the LH in bar 16.
- The run in bar 20 sounds a little odd in that register, considering it's quite high in the original. But I guess it works and it does run quite smoothly into the next bar, which is something. Might be worth seeing what someone else makes of it.
- Bar 22 LH, Beat 4 has a D, not a C as was there before.
- Bar 24 RH, I fixed a small rhythm grouping error.

I guess my dream of 3 pages was never meant to be.
I do page formatting at the very end, after all the notes have been sorted out. THE DREAM AIN'T DEAD YET!!!!

The last section I thought about imitating the percussion or figuring out where in the bass I could use octaves but I got lazy.
Sounds like you've already got a rough idea of what you can do with it, so why not give that a shot?

I know it's tough with some sheets: you start them and then you don't want to finish them and it gets tedious and frustrating and not that fun. But please do try and put your best into it before positing it for feedback. It makes reviewing a lot easier and apart from anything else, it's always more satisfying knowing that what you put up was the best you could do.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Onionleaf on January 22, 2018, 09:12:29 AM
Wind Temple - Onionleaf

Hi Deku, thanks for taking the time to leave feedback. It always helps when a fresh (and more experienced) pair of eyes review my drafts. :)

Here are the most recent files following from your notes and revisions: MUSX (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vqsu0ggxrqhissu/Wind%20Temple%20x%20v2.musx?dl=1) MUS (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ti5q20ndap08x52/Wind%20Temple%20v2.mus?dl=1)

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- I edited the expression text a little bit to what I thought was a better fit. Feel free to change it back. Just a note on text boxes though: I noticed that the 'marcato a melodia' text was in a box which was attached to the page. Whenever I write text that is related to the music itself, I always go to Text -> Assign New Text to Measure. That way, if you need to adjust your layout, copy something to another document or whatever it is, the text will remain glued to that bar. I just find it makes things much simpler. Or depending on what you need another alternative is to make a new expression with the expression editor.

Oh cool, I learnt something new today! I'll definitely be using this option in the future.

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- I just had a quick look at the section at bar 13 and it sounds a bit muddy and is in need of revision. As it is, the melody and ostinato are tripping over each other and share notes a few too many times for my liking. Have a play with it, see what you can come up with. It would also be worth considering the overall structure of the arrangement and mapping out the different section. Do you want the ostinato to be present throughout the entire sheet and give it a sort of relentlessness or is better to take it out in some sections to give some breathing room and some contrast? There's lots that can be done with this sheet and I think the nature of the original track forces you to be creative in some ways.

You did a great job with improving the first three lines, I don't think my edits to the following sections could surpass that. To clean up the messy parts, it made most sense to leave the RH playing the melody line all throughout the piece. I also tidied up the flute sections closer to the end so that they're similar to both the original song and your interpretation in the first section.

You are most welcome to tinker with this sheet further to bring out more contrast and "mysteriousness". (Maybe I'll have a go at playing this sheet tomorrow to see how it could be played differently)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on January 23, 2018, 04:47:33 AM
- The run in bar 20 sounds a little odd in that register, considering it's quite high in the original. But I guess it works and it does run quite smoothly into the next bar, which is something. Might be worth seeing what someone else makes of it.

Yeah I was moving down the LH in the next section down an octave so it actually sounds decent on piano, and I figured I'd move that along with it since it flows so nicely and lets the RH sustain its note fot the full duration.

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I do page formatting at the very end, after all the notes have been sorted out. THE DREAM AIN'T DEAD YET!!!!

yayyyyyyyy

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Sounds like you've already got a rough idea of what you can do with it, so why not give that a shot?

I know it's tough with some sheets: you start them and then you don't want to finish them and it gets tedious and frustrating and not that fun. But please do try and put your best into it before positing it for feedback. It makes reviewing a lot easier and apart from anything else, it's always more satisfying knowing that what you put up was the best you could do.

Currently trying to add in percussion. The whole octave thing I was confused about, somehow didn't catch that the bass line was jumping octaves in the last part ooops .-. If there's anywhere else you want me to try and fill out let me know.

And yeah, sorry about my Deku Tree arrangement, that was a pile of hot shit I should of never left you guys with. I can assure you though this one is, for better or worse, is mostly my best work. Only thing I really got lazy on was leaving out the percussion in the last bit, anything else wrong is a genuine lack of skill. ;p
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on January 25, 2018, 07:30:10 AM
And yeah, sorry about my Deku Tree arrangement, that was a pile of hot shit I should of never left you guys with.
No sweat, I know shit happens sometimes. Heck, even hot shit.



Here are the most recent files following from your notes and revisions:

MUSX (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vqsu0ggxrqhissu/Wind%20Temple%20x%20v2.musx?dl=1)
MUS (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ti5q20ndap08x52/Wind%20Temple%20v2.mus?dl=1)

Definitely looks much better. Here are a couple more thoughts .musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e2l0cf6zuy4e5w/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple%20v2.musx?dl=1)
- Bars 13-20 look much better. I just had a couple of suggestions to add. First, the upbeat to bar 12 is an octave lower than the rest of the melody and it sounds a bit like it leads in to the bass line. So with that in mind, I dropped it another octave and put it in the left hand. It does two things: gives it a little kick and also prepares your ear for the sudden octave drop in the ostinato. Prepares it a little bit anyway, it's still a bit sudden.

Here's a suggestion for something you could do if you wanted to keep the ostinato in the same octave: Link. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/slpazhp8ayu82tr/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple%20v2.1.musx?dl=1) I think I like it a bit better where you have it because it sounds less shrill and more mellow but I just thought I'd throw that in as food for thought.

- Bars 21-28 I went and did something completely different for some contrast (no ostinato!), as well as fixing up the chords. Again, up to you what you do. One of the thoughts I had while doing that section was that I wasn't quite sure what benefit you get by having the tremolos there. They add difficulty and although I'm guessing a bit, I'm thinking that pulling off the crescendi/decrescendi would be on the tricky side for our average amateur pianist NSM user.

- I didn't do much with bar 29 to the end. I fixed up the flutey bits. There are a few different approaches you could take with the ending: You can try and keep the ostinato in the right octave for a smoother transition back to the start. You can put the chords in the RH in between the flute bits (you could drop beat 1 of the flute bits in favour of putting the chords there in bars 30, 32, 34) to keep the tension (mine sounds a bit light). Or you could get rid of the ostinato altogether and just keep the heavy feel going in the LH. Or combine both a bit like I did in bars 13-20. Or you could think up something else altogether!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on January 27, 2018, 08:43:44 AM
Take Two (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yymknh87cyc9tnf/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Gohdan.mus?dl=1)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Onionleaf on January 30, 2018, 07:36:23 AM
- Bars 21-28 I went and did something completely different for some contrast (no ostinato!), as well as fixing up the chords. Again, up to you what you do. One of the thoughts I had while doing that section was that I wasn't quite sure what benefit you get by having the tremolos there. They add difficulty and although I'm guessing a bit, I'm thinking that pulling off the crescendi/decrescendi would be on the tricky side for our average amateur pianist NSM user.

Yeah, that middle section threw me off, and I had no idea what would be the best way to keep the tension going so the tremolos seemed most fitting but would be difficult to play. The contrast sounds great!

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- I didn't do much with bar 29 to the end. I fixed up the flutey bits. There are a few different approaches you could take with the ending: You can try and keep the ostinato in the right octave for a smoother transition back to the start. You can put the chords in the RH in between the flute bits (you could drop beat 1 of the flute bits in favour of putting the chords there in bars 30, 32, 34) to keep the tension (mine sounds a bit light). Or you could get rid of the ostinato altogether and just keep the heavy feel going in the LH. Or combine both a bit like I did in bars 13-20. Or you could think up something else altogether!

So many options to consider, whatever shall I do? There may be a better way of notating this last section, but this is the basic version of what I came up with: [MUSX] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/aows1o4ilf772qc/Wind%20Temple%20v3.musx?dl=1)
Like you said, I felt that keeping the ostinato links the piece back to the beginning nicely. I also didn't want to clutter up the left hand so included your dissonant chords for tension. Feel free to fix it all up if needed. :)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on February 03, 2018, 07:50:14 AM
A couple of thoughts on the last 2 lines:
- Use bass clef for the LH. Using an 8vb in treble clef isn't usually the done thing.
- Bars 30, 32, 34, 36 can be written in one layer. It's tidier and I don't think having the half note on beat one gives you a whole lot extra over just having a quarter note.
- The last beat of bar 32 kinda falls flat. That's probably my fault, I think you originally had another Ab on the very last 8th note of the bar. It works okay without it there the other times because there's something in another voice to fill that last 8th note. Have a think about what you want there.
- I'm not really sure about the octave doubling of the chords in the last line. I see this section as returning to the opening. I don't really see it as growing.
- I'm a little worried that bars 29, 31 & 33 and especially 35 can turn into aural soup. It's probably okay if you've got a sostenuto pedal on your piano, but if you've just gotta use the standard sustain pedal (as I think most of our users would) I think it could get a bit muddy. And 35 in particular would lose the contrast between the smooth ostinato and the pointed flute interjections. Again, have a play with it.
- Also on those same bars, you really do need to show the rests. Otherwise there's no way of knowing which beat the first layer kicks in without counting from the end of the bar and music is meant to be read forwards.

Updated Musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/61xn8sc3oxpkr5a/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple%20v3.musx?dl=1)

I haven't forgotten about Gohdan, FireArrow!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Onionleaf on February 05, 2018, 07:05:39 AM
Hope you don't mind us keeping you so busy. ;)

- The last beat of bar 32 kinda falls flat. That's probably my fault, I think you originally had another Ab on the very last 8th note of the bar. It works okay without it there the other times because there's something in another voice to fill that last 8th note. Have a think about what you want there.

I used to have a higher Ab as the last note in that bar. This time I changed it so that instead it steps down an octave, in order to bring it back to the same range as the following bar.

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- I'm a little worried that bars 29, 31 & 33 and especially 35 can turn into aural soup. It's probably okay if you've got a sostenuto pedal on your piano, but if you've just gotta use the standard sustain pedal (as I think most of our users would) I think it could get a bit muddy. And 35 in particular would lose the contrast between the smooth ostinato and the pointed flute interjections. Again, have a play with it.

I'm not quite sure what I could do to resolve this issue. If I were to play this arrangement I would not use the pedal at all throughout the piece but would rather play a strong legato in the LH. Would keeping the left hand notes all on one layer (like how you have done for half of the bars) help? Please see the link below with the changes I made (while scratching my head and swivelling in my chair, deep in thought).

New (slightly adjusted) file: [MUSX] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1rblm4cdhxz7gr/Wind%20Temple%20v4.musx?dl=1)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on February 05, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
Here's an idea: MUSX (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ug0fhgy4vxham74/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple%20v4.musx?dl=1)


(while scratching my head and swivelling in my chair, deep in thought).
With some chin stroking and ho-humming I hope!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: RustyJustice on February 08, 2018, 11:06:50 AM
If the titles are colored with black text, does that mean they're still available to do? If so, I could totally do some of these!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on February 08, 2018, 11:50:58 AM
Yes the ones in black are unclaimed so go for it!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: RustyJustice on February 08, 2018, 12:19:07 PM
Awesome! In that case I'll start with a couple from disc two:


Should I post them here first when I'm finished? Or should I start the submission process first? Sorry for all the questions heh I promise I did read the forum posts about this...
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Sebastian on February 08, 2018, 02:52:42 PM
You can post them here when you're finished with them. Arrangement projects cover a specific game and get their own update after a certain period of time or sheets have been arranged. The submissions are for any sheets from any game that you wish to submit. Any member can submit a maximum of 2 sheets per submission update on the submissions board.
As for arrangement projects, you can submit as many as you like.

  • 17 Princess Zelda's Theme
  • 20 Fairy Spring
Can't wait to see these! : )
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: BrainyLucario on February 10, 2018, 11:59:22 PM
Here's

TLOZ: The Wind Waker - Tetra Discovered

[Mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/26c3zm7wwqxanor/Tetra%20DiscoveredvLucario.mus?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: BrainyLucario on February 11, 2018, 01:48:43 AM
Also i'm almost done with The giant bird attack one before tetra discovered

Edit: Done with

TLOZ: The Wind Waker - A Mysterious Giant Bird Attack
[Mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/uscze9me84dne15/Birb%20Attack.mus?dl=0)

Edit 2: I've fixed the composer info on both sheets
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on February 12, 2018, 02:10:29 AM
Aspertia City (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dwn9coffmeacr2/Yacht%20Game.mus?dl=1)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Trasdegi on February 12, 2018, 10:32:19 AM
Hey! That's my sheet!

Also, Why not put "D.C." instead of "Go to measure 1"?

Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on February 12, 2018, 09:15:13 PM
No particular reason. I can switch it if it's more appropriate.
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: BrainyLucario on February 14, 2018, 09:41:44 PM
I'll claim Bokoblin migration and Battle as well
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: BrainyLucario on February 16, 2018, 03:13:34 AM
TLOZ: The Wind Waker - Bokoblin Migration

[Mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/aa6hvs4ftln7rc6/Bokoblin%20Migration.mus?dl=0)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Piano Psychopath on February 16, 2018, 04:26:16 AM
Seems all the fun ones were taken. If y'all don't mind I will be doing Hyrule King Appears and Jalhalla Appears
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on February 16, 2018, 09:52:57 AM
Yacht Game - FireArrow

Here are the links to my edited files. Comes with bonus page formatting: Musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/sdn5qoj8wm4yer4/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Yacht%20Game.musx?dl=1) | Mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/8eolmgij21cgaro/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Yacht%20Game.mus?dl=1)

Thoughts on the RH:
- Measure 2-4, I fiddled around with the chords a little to get something that matched the original better.
- Measure 5, it's perfectly acceptable (and generally easier to read) to use a dotted half note on beat 2 because it simply takes up the remaining number of beats in the measure.
- Measure 8, I'm not convinced that eighth note on beat 4 is really deserving of a staccato.
- In measures 9-10, I'm not entirely convinced about having that D tied over for 3 measures, but I guess it doesn't do any harm.
- I know that bit at the end of measure 11 is a bit sketchy in terms of rhythm but I really think it sounds much more like a triplet figure than an 8th-16th-16th figure.
- Measure 13 works just fine with just the bottom layer. I'm not really convinced that the top layer adds a whole lot musically. Also, make sure the ties are facing the correct way when using multiple layers. They should go the same way as the stems. Ie for downward facing stems, the ties should also go down and vice versa.
- Measures 15-16 need a better solution in order to make it clear where the melody is. Either something visual or re-arranging it. If I just look at it without having the original track in my head, I have no idea which notes are the melody and which are harmony.
- And again in measure 17, I'm not totally sold on the top layer. Also on measure 17, I cleaned it up so it's easier to read and a bit less of a layer cake. Yes, technically speaking I cut something out and combined something else, but I think the improvements in readability are worth it and the amount that's actually lost is very minimal.
- New measure 21: The track doesn't quite repeat. There is no harmony in the RH in measure 21-22. So with that in mind, I removed the repeat and just wrote it out again.
- I tidied up measure 31 so that it reads more clearly.

Thoughts on LH:
- I'm not so sure about having some of the bass notes so low. It adds difficulty and I'm not quite sure what else. Sure I think there a couple of spots where it could benefit from dropping down to add weight, but I think those moments should be chosen carefully with musical impact in mind. Eg measure 20, or the last 4 measures. Play around have some fun with it.
- I'm also not a fan of the beaming of the last two repeated 8th notes in each measure. I think it makes it harder to read. Sometimes odd beaming works but I don't think this is one of those spots.
- The LH somewhat clashes with the RH in measure 5. It's in an icky register so I don't know what you'd want to do about it but I think it'd be worth having a ponder.
- Measure 20 was really crying out for that 7th chord tone which is in the strings in the original track. I think the LH seemed like the best place to put it but you can shuffle it around if you like.
- The last note of measures 12 and 28 is an E, not a D.

Other things:
- I prefer to use D.C. (or D.S. as needed) rather than "Go to measure #" because D.C. is more commonly recognised as a standard marking for that sort of thing.
- If you're going to use 2 pages, use 2 pages. It looks more professional and balanced and less like something you just found on the internet ::)
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Onionleaf on February 17, 2018, 08:08:49 AM
Here's an idea: MUSX (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ug0fhgy4vxham74/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple%20v4.musx?dl=1)

It's so seamless now, wow, thank you! Updated links: MUS (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zqhiz5yc1klj59n/Wind%20Temple%205.mus?dl=1) MUSX (https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5pcwl9ugrro1o9/Wind%20Temple%205%20x.musx?dl=1)

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With some chin stroking and ho-humming I hope!

Haha, likewise!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: FireArrow on February 18, 2018, 02:43:02 AM
Hows this? (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dwn9coffmeacr2/Yacht%20Game.mus?dl=1)

- Measure 2-4, I fiddled around with the chords a little to get something that matched the original better.

Ah good catch, I still prefer the G# -> A voicing though. It looks neater and 4 notes is a lot more comfortable than 5. I don't feel missing the G# below the A in the second half of the measure really matters.

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- Measure 13 works just fine with just the bottom layer. I'm not really convinced that the top layer adds a whole lot musically. Also, make sure the ties are facing the correct way when using multiple layers. They should go the same way as the stems. Ie for downward facing stems, the ties should also go down and vice versa.

It's an octave lower in the original but that clashed with the L.H. I didn't really wanna mess with the L.H. too much so meh, if it doesn't work up there I can live without it.

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- Measures 15-16 need a better solution in order to make it clear where the melody is. Either something visual or re-arranging it. If I just look at it without having the original track in my head, I have no idea which notes are the melody and which are harmony.

Does this work? Makes more sense in the context of the piece after you fixed up the layers, although I don't know if it's good to adjust a note length purely for readability.

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- The LH somewhat clashes with the RH in measure 5. It's in an icky register so I don't know what you'd want to do about it but I think it'd be worth having a ponder.

I just left out the F# in the R.H. Everything I tried with the L.H. ended up sounding gross.

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- Measure 20 was really crying out for that 7th chord tone which is in the strings in the original track. I think the LH seemed like the best place to put it but you can shuffle it around if you like.

I made it a 3 note chord with the A. A being the 5th scale degree created a lot of forward momentum I really think is needed there. The extra note shouldn't be too out of place since it's a big cadence.

Everything else I left as you did. I really like most of the changed, thanks!
Title: Re: The Official Wind Waker Project
Post by: Deku Trombonist on February 18, 2018, 12:09:53 PM

Wind Temple

Awesome.

Sorry, one last thing: Here's a layout adjustment for a more even appearance (thanks Bespinben!) - Musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3x8ndmxluzm6rs/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Wind%20Temple%20v5.musx?dl=1)



Yacht Game

New links: Musx (https://www.dropbox.com/s/sdn5qoj8wm4yer4/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Yacht%20Game.musx?dl=1) | Mus (https://www.dropbox.com/s/8eolmgij21cgaro/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20The%20Wind%20Waker%20-%20Yacht%20Game.mus?dl=1)

Ah good catch, I still prefer the G# -> A voicing though. It looks neater and 4 notes is a lot more comfortable than 5. I don't feel missing the G# below the A in the second half of the measure really matters.
Sorry about that, old habits die hard sometimes. I agree that looks much better.

It's an octave lower in the original but that clashed with the L.H. I didn't really wanna mess with the L.H. too much so meh, if it doesn't work up there I can live without it.
In the original it doesn't actually resolve to a G, it just fades away and resolves to a B in the next bar. Take a look at the new file and see what you think.

Does this work? Makes more sense in the context of the piece after you fixed up the layers, although I don't know if it's good to adjust a note length purely for readability.
I don't really think so. I've made a suggestion in the link above which technically works, although possibly a little plain.

I just left out the F# in the R.H. Everything I tried with the L.H. ended up sounding gross.
I'd probably suggest also leaving out the A in beat 1 for improved smoothness.

I made it a 3 note chord with the A. A being the 5th scale degree created a lot of forward momentum I really think is needed there. The extra note shouldn't be too out of place since it's a big cadence.
Another option is in the file I linked above, just an idea. However just be aware there is no A in bar 19 in the track, the top note is just a G.


Oh, and there was something I meant to mention before but I forgot to add it to my post. There are some spots in the track where the bass trombone sounding instrument is much more prominent than the string bass and I wonder if it's worth choosing the bass bone notes instead of the string bass in some of those instances. For example, the last note of bar 12, using an A instead of an E. There are other spots too. What do you think?