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EDIT: I'm still in but I was just struck with a TWG idea so Imma try and write a game up soon.

Why not

TWG XCIII: Manti Rules

1. Wolf
2. Wolf
3. Manti (is told who the wolves are.  Wins if he gets wolfed.  Wins when the wolves win, but counts for human numbers)
4.-X. Human

Wait, what? If Manti still wins when the wolves win, then wouldn't they just claim to the wolves... since they ALREADY KNOW who the wolves are?

yeah, the role isn't fully fleshed out, but the goal is to emulate the guy the manti rule is written for-if he doesn't get wolfed night 1, then he's a wolf

Okay, here's my somewhat slap-dash attempt at a TWG; would love feedback.

TWG: Get in the Fucking Bag

Game starts on a Day phase. Every Day phase, every player votes for two players to put in the Bag, one in the thread and one via PM to the Host. Players may vote for themselves. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. If that player is a Bagged Pokémon, the player will not be captured. If they capture Lillie, the Pokémon in the Bag will be captured, and Lillie will be set free. Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Day phase.

Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other. Wolves cannot be Bagged; attempting to Bag a wolf wastes a Bagging spot.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her votes count for two.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.

Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up all the room in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out. If Lillie is captured with Exeggutor in the Bag, Lusamine gets so angry that she DIES and Exeggutor escapes.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. It's so angry that if it is captured outside of the Bag, it'll stare at Guzma until he DIES.
6. Nebby: WON'T STAY IN THE FUCKING BAG. Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This protects that Pokémon from being captured if Lillie is captured, but spoops them so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Day phase.

Lillie:
Lillie cannot be Bagged; attempting to Bag Lillie wastes a Bagging spot and is also just wrong.
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. Can either guard Nebby from being captured outside of the bag during two Night phases, or learn a player's identity each Night phase.

Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. A bad guy totally DIED! (Day after Guzma/Lusamine's death)
2. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
3. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
4. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)

Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Pokémon/Lillie win when either both wolves die, or if Nebby is not captured for five Night phases.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.


Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc. But not really. Just in my heart.

lmao dudeman makes me in

I kinda wanna come up with a game too. Don't wait for me though idk when I'll have the extra time.

Quote from: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 06:48:02 PM3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up all the room in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out. If Lillie is captured with Exeggutor in the Bag, Lusamine gets so angry that she DIES.

Wait, what. I think the terminology got mixed up here.

I'll only play if I'm allowed to be guzma

Or caterpie, but then I have to be a butterfree after being put in the bag for 2 weeks

Quote from: Maelstrom on December 11, 2016, 07:11:42 PMWait, what. I think the terminology got mixed up here.

Nah, I don't think so. This is meant to be a check so that the humans can do something if Lillie's identity is discovered. Just stick Exeggutor in the bag and boom. Dead Lusamine.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2016, 07:15:22 PMI'll only play if I'm allowed to be guzma

Or caterpie, but then I have to be a butterfree after being put in the Bag for 2 weeks

lol sure, if caterpie stays in the bag for two weeks it evolves straight into Butterfree

Couple of changes/clarifications added to the game: everyone votes for two people when Bagging things (i.e., everyone gets two lynch votes) (votes can't be used twice on the same person), and Lusamine's votes count for two. EDIT: Also Lillie's guarding power only works when Nebby isn't in the bag.

Also on a whim I'm exchanging Caterpie for Metapod to make the game harder.

I quit

I think I'm going to change Magikarp into Dugtrio because why the hell not.

For those of you wondering what dudeman means just search YouTube for what's up he man

Quote from: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 10:00:10 PMI think I'm going to change Magikarp into Dugtrio because why the hell not.

make it alolan!! :D

also this game is 11/10, I love it <3

Quote from: dajwxp on December 11, 2016, 10:06:17 PMmake it alolan!! :D

Well of course it's Alolan, why else would I use Exeggutor?

A'ight, you know what? Dudeman's game is amazingness. I'm coming out of retirement (temporarily) to play this one.

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Seconded!

Also, dibs on Exeggutor ;)

Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 13, 2016, 04:06:53 PMA'ight, you know what? Dudeman's game is amazingness. I'm coming out of retirement (temporarily) to play this one.

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Great! Now I have to add a role! ohhhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

is that a guy or a girl

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 13, 2016, 04:21:21 PMis that a guy or a girl

good question professor oak

I added Mimikyu so yay

EDIT: I updated the wording to accommodate specific situations, and listed what things are publicly announced in the thread after occurring.

I'm not playing but just dropping in to say this is a fantastic game

+10 Dudeman

Wait, bagging is not death? Hmm, this sounds interesting.

my game has manti

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2016, 05:49:27 PMyeah, the role isn't fully fleshed out, but the goal is to emulate the guy the manti rule is written for-if he doesn't get wolfed night 1, then he's a wolf

Something like this?:

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2016, 05:43:07 PMTWG XCIII: Manti Rules

1. Wolf
2. Wolf
3. Manti (Counts for human numbers.  Wins if he gets wolfed. Can seer a player each night phase. If he seers a wolf his win condition changes to wins with the wolves).
4.-X. Human

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Quote from: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 06:48:02 PMOkay, here's my somewhat slap-dash attempt at a TWG; would love feedback.

Does nebby know who he is? Does any other pokemon know who he is? Does Lilly know who she is? I can give some feedback if I know the answers to those questions.

Quote from: davy on December 14, 2016, 11:49:54 AMDoes nebby know who he is? Does any other pokemon know who he is? Does Lilly know who she is? I can give some feedback if I know the answers to those questions.

- Nebby knows who s/he is.
- Each Pokemon does not individually know who it is.
- Lillie knows who she is.

Dudeman, your game is increddibly hard to balance since there are all kinds of conditional powers in effect. However, one thing that I'm pretty sure was not your intension is that it is safer to leave Nebby out of the bag than inside. If Nebby is inside the bag, he could be captured if Lillie gets captured. If he is outside the bag he can be guarded by Lillie, and since Lillie never dies, Nebby is perfectly safe staying outside the bag. This means that the only way for wolves to win is by wolf'ing 5 players before night 5, find out who of the remaining players is Lillie and who is Nebby, put Nebby in the bag then wolf Lillie. If Lusamine dies, however wolves will never be able to outvote Lillie and Nebby, so Nebby will never enter the bag.

Also, do players vote in the topic who to put in the bag or through PM? If it's in the topic, then wolves can just decide to wolf whoever is not in the bag, because wolves can just count the votes.

Quote from: davy on December 15, 2016, 03:20:17 AMDudeman, your game is increddibly hard to balance since there are all kinds of conditional powers in effect. However, one thing that I'm pretty sure was not your intension is that it is safer to leave Nebby out of the bag than inside. If Nebby is inside the bag, he could be captured if Lillie gets captured. If he is outside the bag he can be guarded by Lillie, and since Lillie never dies, Nebby is perfectly safe staying outside the bag. This means that the only way for wolves to win is by wolf'ing 5 players before night 5, find out who of the remaining players is Lillie and who is Nebby, put Nebby in the bag then wolf Lillie. If Lusamine dies, however wolves will never be able to outvote Lillie and Nebby, so Nebby will never enter the bag.

Good point. What if Lillie only has a limited number of times she can guard Nebby outside the bag? Say, two or three?

QuoteAlso, do players vote in the topic who to put in the bag or through PM? If it's in the topic, then wolves can just decide to wolf whoever is not in the bag, because wolves can just count the votes.

I intended for it to be public, and intentionally put Pokemon like Toucannon in the game so that there is always a risk when capturing. I'll give this some thought, though. Private votes could work.

Quote from: Dudeman on December 15, 2016, 10:30:29 AMGood point. What if Lillie only has a limited number of times she can guard Nebby outside the bag? Say, two or three?

Then you get the other problem with the game: Wolves can just get lucky and hit Nebby night one when she's not in the bag, or Lillie night one when Nebby is in the bag. Alternatively, if the wolves fail to hit Nebby on the first three day phases, Lillie can just keep him safe for the remainder of the game. This makes the game too dependent on luck for my taste.

Quote from: Dudeman on December 15, 2016, 10:30:29 AMI intended for it to be public, and intentionally put Pokemon like Toucannon in the game so that there is always a risk when capturing. I'll give this some thought, though. Private votes could work.

The risk with having private votes it that it may kill discussion. Since humans don't even get a killing power, this game runs the risk of inactivity anyway.

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Also, if anyone else wants to host they should have their game up by December 17th 9:00 AM CET

Quote from: davy on December 15, 2016, 04:26:13 PMThen you get the other problem with the game: Wolves can just get lucky and hit Nebby night one when she's not in the bag, or Lillie night one when Nebby is in the bag. Alternatively, if the wolves fail to hit Nebby on the first three day phases, Lillie can just keep him safe for the remainder of the game. This makes the game too dependent on luck for my taste.

Exactly what I was worried about; I always try to design a game so that wolves can't get lucky on a Night 1 wolf. That was the reasoning behind starting a game on a Day phase, but...

I really really love this game and don't want to retract it, but the win conditions and core mechanics might need some work...

EDIT: Idea. What if one player is publicly voted on, and the other one is privately voted on? That is, there are two sets of votes, and the winners of both sets are put in the Bag. I'm spitballing at this point but I want to see how well I can get this game balanced as it is right now.

I may or may not post a game tomorrow/saturday. Question: Are we allowed to do a mystery game? Since you're pretty much the TWC right now davy, should we double check the game with you or are other respected members OK (I'm assuming you have an intent to play.) I can probably hit Mashi up on Skype.

TWG XCIII: MYSTERY

This game uses the TWG anonymous accounts.


Wolves
1. Player
2. Player

Humans
3. Player
4. Player
5. Player
6. Player
7. Player
8. Player

Neutral
9. Player
10. Player

Every single role will have a power of some sort. Wolves win when human victory is no longer possible. Humans win when there are no more remaining wolves or evil neutrals. Neutrals have their own win conditions seperate from each other.

This game has not been checked by anyone. I'll try and get someone to do it if davy wants me to.

Note: There are no overarching gimmcks or changes to general game design. Night phases, day phases, voting, etc. all work the same way. The only unique things will be player powers.

So the neutrals are basically fools. I'm assuming there are abilities for the humans that helps balance it out...are these as well as the neutrals' win conditions going to be made public?

I'm so down if you're hosting. Your last game I played was great! <3

Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 15, 2016, 07:22:55 PMSo the neutrals are basically fools. I'm assuming there are abilities for the humans that helps balance it out...are these as well as the neutrals' win conditions going to be made public?

I'm so down if you're hosting. Your last game I played was great! <3

awww stop it you~

Similar to fools in a general sense, but it could be anything from a lone man mega mafia (kill EVERYONE ELSE) to something extremely benign (like a fool.)

Potential players, just keep in mind that the specific powers of manti are not set in stone, but ideally it plays out in some similar way.

Quote from: FireArrow on December 15, 2016, 05:58:43 PMI may or may not post a game tomorrow/saturday. Question: Are we allowed to do a mystery game? Since you're pretty much the TWC right now davy, should we double check the game with you or are other respected members OK (I'm assuming you have an intent to play.) I can probably hit Mashi up on Skype.

Mystery games are fine, but you do have to double check them with someone. If you can get in touch with Mashi, I trust that he is able to balance your game. If you can't, I'll try to balance it, but that'll mean that I won't be able to play your game.

I'll try and get in touch with him tonight.

Mashi said he'll have feedback for me tomorrow. If you don't want to wait that long, I'll hold the game for the next cycle.

Quote from: FireArrow on December 16, 2016, 06:54:16 PMMashi said he'll have feedback for me tomorrow. If you don't want to wait that long, I'll hold the game for the next cycle.

No Problem. I'll just open the poll now, but we need to make sure the game that we are going to play is balanced before we actually start it.

I'm gonna implement the "one private vote, one public vote" into my game. Given that the poll is up, this'll be the last edit I make unless a huge balancing issue gets discovered.

Congratulations, Dudeman.

If the other players don't mind, I'd like to take some time to see if I can make your game more balanced tomorrow, and then we'll start soon afterwards.

Quote from: davy on December 20, 2016, 10:04:10 AMCongratulations, Dudeman.

If the other players don't mind, I'd like to take some time to see if I can make your game more balanced tomorrow, and then we'll start soon afterwards.

Shoot me a PM if there's anything you want to discuss, I'd love to get this thing as perfect as possible.

Sorry for the delay everyone, Dudeman said he was going to implement the changes I suggested, but I'm still waiting for him to update his game.

lol oops sorry everyone, got sidetracked by le christmas season.

Here's the game with updated mechanics. There are some significant changes, so I highly recommend reading through it again.

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TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag

Game starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.

Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other. Wolves cannot be Bagged; attempting to Bag a wolf wastes a Bagging spot.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.

Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: WON'T STAY IN THE FUCKING BAG. Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This protects that Pokémon from being captured if Lillie is captured, but spoops them so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.

Lillie:
Lillie cannot be Bagged; attempting to Bag Lillie wastes a Bagging spot and is also just wrong.
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.

Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)

Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.


Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.

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Game will go up in 24 hours-ish so that people have time to read the revised rules. A million thank-yous to davy for his assistance.

Two small things:

Now that we have night phase bagging voting, we don't need to start on a day phase anymore. Starting on a day phase means humans can afford 3 mislynches, starting on a night phase means humans can afford 2 mislynches. Each time Lilly or a bagged human is attacked, that amount increases by one. Usually, humans get 2-3 mislynches, so I would suggest starting on a night phase. If you think humans need a little extra help this game, starting on a day phase is fine.

Lilly's seering power is not as overpowered as her guarding power, but is still perfectly accurate because all wolves are red and only wolves are red. This can be fixed by changing colors so that wolves blend in better with humans, but I'd prefer that you change Lilly's ability once again (give her a psychic ability for all colors for example).

Quote from: davy on December 25, 2016, 12:38:41 PMNow that we have night phase bagging voting, we don't need to start on a day phase anymore. Starting on a day phase means humans can afford 3 mislynches, starting on a night phase means humans can afford 2 mislynches. Each time Lilly or a bagged human is attacked, that amount increases by one. Usually, humans get 2-3 mislynches, so I would suggest starting on a night phase. If you think humans need a little extra help this game, starting on a day phase is fine.

Yeah, this was something I was uncertain about. Given that wolf victory hinges on a capture, I think a day of open discussion that includes a screening would be beneficial to kickstart the game. We'll see how that goes.

QuoteLilly's seering power is not as overpowered as her guarding power, but is still perfectly accurate because all wolves are red and only wolves are red. This can be fixed by changing colors so that wolves blend in better with humans, but I'd prefer that you change Lilly's ability once again (give her a psychic ability for all colors for example).

I'm open to this, provided I am reminded how Psychics normally function. twg rules oughtta be updated with some more special roles

Quote from: Dudeman on December 25, 2016, 01:19:40 PMI'm open to this, provided I am reminded how Psychics normally function. twg rules oughtta be updated with some more special roles

Normal Psychic is told the number of wolves (or reds) at the end of the night phase. In this case, Lillie will be told the number of players for each color.

Also, I'd gladly update the rules if someone would officially promote me to TWC so that I can actually edit posts.

Quote from: davy on December 25, 2016, 01:25:31 PMNormal Psychic is told the number of wolves (or reds) at the end of the night phase. In this case, Lillie will be told the number of players for each color.

I like this. Added.

One more thing that I just thought about: Lusamine's double vote should be changed (making it optional for example) so that we won't get stupid "everybody votes for themselves" thingies.

I mean, I intentionally made it so that only applied to the screening votes so that...hold on, what? Are you referring to Bagging? 'Cause how would changing Lusamine's ability change how people vote? And yeah, Lusamine's power only applies to screenings atm.

Quote from: Dudeman on December 25, 2016, 02:05:18 PMI mean, I intentionally made it so that only applied to the screening votes so that...hold on, what? Are you referring to Bagging? 'Cause how would changing Lusamine's ability change how people vote? And yeah, Lusamine's power only applies to screenings atm.

Day 1 humans agree to the plan that everyone votes for themselves. If everyone votes for themselves, Lusamine dies (since her vote is worth more than everyone elses.) If Lusamine doesn't kill herself, then she'll be the only person who didn't vote for herself revealing her identity.

Removing the ability to vote for yourself doesn't fix anything because then we can figure out who Lusamine is by voting for the person below you on the player list.

Quote from: FireArrow on December 25, 2016, 02:54:30 PMDay 1 humans agree to the plan that everyone votes for themselves. If everyone votes for themselves, Lusamine dies (since her vote is worth more than everyone elses.) If Lusamine doesn't kill herself, then she'll be the only person who didn't vote for herself revealing her identity.

Removing the ability to vote for yourself doesn't fix anything because then we can figure out who Lusamine is by voting for the person below you on the player list.

Ohhhhhhhhhh got it got it got it. Okay, I can make it optional per davy's suggestion.

Dudeman, could you start the game, please?

If the game doesn't start soon I might have to sit out :/

A thousand apologies for the delay, everyone. Game is up.