Hi I've recently been more involved with the "environmental movement", have myself donated some money to some environmental organisations and have started reading some interesting articles about it. And I thought that I want to have some discussion about it here on NSM, as I don't think I'm the only one concerned about it. I also think it's a topic that is lacking on the site, I mean we got a politics topic, a religion topic and various other topics, but not one dedicated to the serious threat of global warming. So if people are interested feel free to express your opinions about it. :)
Run for the hills.
My grandmother thinks it's all fake due to some bogus thing she heard on fox news (HATE that channel with every fiber of my life) about it happening hundreds of years ago and therefore its nothing but a cycle... Even though the proof is as clear as day and it was never this bad hundreds of years ago.
By her logic we should expect the continents to break up again in 5 billion years due to it being a "cycle". Stuff like this is why I feel that I lost my grandmother to that trashheap of a news channel.
I think the biggest cause of CO2 release in the atmosphere (in the US) is because so many freaking people drive to work with just themselves in the car. You've got hundreds of millions of working americans driving themselves and nobody else and that's the first thing that's got to change.
Here are the facts:
Humans have spiked levels of CO2 in the atmosphere above their natural level.
We are experiencing a large shift in weather patterns, unlike we have in recently recorded history.
It is possible for CO2 to cause a runaway greenhouse effect.
It doesn't take an idiot to link these together, but it's also impossible to say exactly how much CO2 levels have impacted the globe. Thus, man-made global warming isn't irrational, but it's fairly impossible to prove as we have exact weather data from such a short timeframe in the span of the Earth's age.
yay Maelstrom
As my economics teacher says, it's an issue of "How much are you willing to sacrifice now in order to maybe prevent a possible disaster of unknown capacity." I remember reading things when I was younger like "Florida is gonna be underwater by 2020" and that doesn't see very close to happening yet. At the same time things don't look to bright (or maybe too bright?) if they continue on their current trend. My opinion is as a species we should take collective measures against it because regardless of how terrible the future may or may not be if we do nothing, it's pretty apperant conservation efforts are needed for polar bears and penguins :c
for some reason I keep mixing FA and maelstrom around
one of you ought to change your avatar to not a person because I think that might be the problem
Quote from: Sebastian on November 27, 2016, 05:05:13 AMRun for the hills.
Seb, Slow and Dude! WTF IS GOING ON WITH YOU 3 GUYS!!!??? I don't get it, you seem so scared and afraid, it seems very much like that you think that if I started some "global-earth-green-stuff-movement" that it would destroy the entire planet Earth! And I personally DON'T think it's the case! (If there is something you guys would like to discuss with me, that don't has to do with global warming, please send me a message or something, maybe skype if you want to.)
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on November 27, 2016, 11:21:59 AMI think the biggest cause of CO2 release in the atmosphere (in the US) is because so many freaking people drive to work with just themselves in the car. You've got hundreds of millions of working americans driving themselves and nobody else and that's the first thing that's got to change.
I agree a lot with you Noc. According to most scientist (or actually websites I looked at), it seems as the Earth had a stable climate until around year 1900. And then you ask yourself: What happened then? And after a lot of thinking I come to the conclusions that several factors seems to be the answer to the question "What caused and is causing the climate changes?" Here are the ones I found:
-The industrial revolution: The change in industry has lead to more pollution, even though not as bad as before, it is one cause I think.
-The increase in wealth-fare in particularly the west: think about it, before they didn't even have airplanes, not even ships and trucks! Those let out great amount of CO2, and maybe also other bad substances which are harmful to the nature. the increase of wealth also contributes to a larger trade industry and that more people just in general spend more money and shop all kinds of stuff, which obviously takes resources from the nature.
-The change in trade/the different politics: I think it's very fare and accurate to say that free-trade and agreements like that have contributed to the global warming. It basically encourages people and particularly companies to spend money and invest in order to spree their business and broaden it to different countries and that leads to more people spending money and buying stuff from, yet again, Mother Earth! I haven't read much history, but I believe that the trade, back in the days, was more protectionistic. Maybe you had a company selling fruits and vegetables, but it was probably in a smaller scale, like in your country, or maybe to the neighbor country as well, not around the entire globe. And I think it's a difference in the sense that it requires much more transports to have a global business, imagine all the trucks, ferries, airplanes needed to send goods to other countries. And what does it take to make a truck, ferry or airplane move? -That's right energy, and historically in the sense of fossil fuel.
So those are the main reasons I think, which Meal sort encapsulated in his post.
Quote from: FireArrow on November 27, 2016, 12:28:55 PMyay Maelstrom
As my economics teacher says, it's an issue of "How much are you willing to sacrifice now in order to maybe prevent a possible disaster of unknown capacity." I remember reading things when I was younger like "Florida is gonna be underwater by 2020" and that doesn't see very close to happening yet. At the same time things don't look to bright (or maybe too bright?) if they continue on their current trend. My opinion is as a species we should take collective measures against it because regardless of how terrible the future may or may not be if we do nothing, it's pretty apperant conservation efforts are needed for polar bears and penguins :c
I think you bring up a very valuable post FireArrow! "Fixing" the earth is not going to be an easy task, we'll have to have EVERYBODY (more or the less) with us in order to make it. And I think it's important to visions about what you want to achieve, BUT the vision must be followed with great reasoning and intelligent understanding of WHAT is the problem, defining problems and goals and in that way working for a better future!
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on November 27, 2016, 02:53:25 PMSeb, Slow and Dude! WTF IS GOING ON WITH YOU 3 GUYS!!!??? I don't get it, you seem so scared and afraid, it seems very much like that you think that if I started some "global-earth-green-stuff-movement" that it would destroy the entire planet Earth! And I personally DON'T think it's the case! (If there is something you guys would like to discuss with me, that don't has to do with global warming, please send me a message or something, maybe skype if you want to.)
There are people in this forum that think Global Warming is a hoax/a natural phenomenon unrelated to humans and similar disagreements have exploded in the past. So long as people don't post unless they're OK with someone disagreeing with them and don't express their disagreement in immature ways I think we're fine.
It was mostly a joke because I thought someone would come in claiming global warming didn't exist and it would turn into a big argument thing, etc., basically what FireArrow said.
Quote from: FireArrow on November 27, 2016, 03:22:16 PMThere are people in this forum that think Global Warming is a hoax/a natural phenomenon unrelated to humans and similar disagreements have exploded in the past. So long as people don't post unless they're OK with someone disagreeing with them and don't express their disagreement in immature ways I think we're fine.
lol who thinks that
I remember some people back in the debate thread so you can go through the lovely task digging through that if you're actually interested
Quote from: SlowPokemon on November 27, 2016, 03:35:15 PMIt was mostly a joke because I thought someone would come in claiming global warming didn't exist and it would turn into a big argument thing, etc., basically what FireArrow said.
Same here.
Quote from: Dudeman on November 27, 2016, 04:48:29 PMSame here.
knowing how things have gone earlier I wouldn't rule it out.
Wrote a long post on a Swedish "environmentalist" facebook group called "Miljövänligare Vardagsliv" where I wrote a post about the issues in the transport industry and the need for a focus at the environmental-friendly groups on the issues deriving the transport sector when it comes to climate change. The groups is here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/279469128757971/, and I obviously don't feel like translating the "article" I wrote, but if you want then I'm "Tobias Höglund" and I wrote a long post as you can see. But to sum it up:
-I believe that a large contribution to the climate change lies in the transport industry.
-I believe it's a really really super-duper sensitive issue but an issue of highest importance.
-I believe there has to be a will and a strong force of willingness within the environmentalist progressive organisations.
-But I also believe there has to be an understanding and a respect for other partners involved in this issue for it to be fruitful.
-I believe it is of highest importance that we have trust in the scientific forces, communities and universities if we want to be able to live on a planet freely and happily.
-And I believe that there has to be a strong sense of carefulness when being nick-picky when it comes to people ordinary lives and changes in people habits and daily routines.
It sounds probably really complicated and confusing. But I want people to have an open and sound mindset when approaching this challenge. It doesn't matter if you're a business entrepreneur, a leader of a great science university, an influential force within a grassroots community, or just a casual guy going to school every morning. I believe that this is a great challenge for all of us, and if we want to something about it, it has to come from us ourselves! Believe in the force! 8)
Eyyyyy, why not continue this "debate" with a 3rd post here at Tobbeh's opinions on climate change. This time I'm going to have an approach that some might find both provocative but also relatable (btw this isn't even word, wtf!?). And the issue I want to talk about is the relation between environmentalistic movements advocating a sound reliable and sustainable relation between human kind and the planet, and on the other hand various religious groups with no or very vague connection and trust for scientific research and the importance for human kind to adopt certain changes. Basically how religion still can be religion but also live an eco-friendly lifestyle, and not become nerdy scientific atheists.
To clarify certain things:
-I see myself as I guess you could call it "agnostic", but maybe atheist and also maybe christian. I live in Sweden, a country with around like 90% atheists, but on the other hand I'm a very "spiritual" person and sometimes I feel like "things just happen" or "just goes my way". Sometimes I feel like the term Christian Atheist, Atheist Christian would be suitable, or maybe just Protestant Christian, but I'm not sure and I don't care much for religion anyway, and that's my point.
-With religion, I'll focus on specifically Christianity as I feel like most on the site are Christians or have some relation to the religion and that people might get interested in discussing with me, when I talk on my views on this topic, in contrast to that not many would care or be affected if I talked about something like "green islam" or "is judaism green".
-I'll basically say my opinions and views on this topic. Feel free to disagree and criticize my opinions or give feedback and sympathize with me on my views.
So let's start:
-First of all I think that many people of religious belief are more conservative. So in an argument of advocating more green fuels and those alternatives, people might say "but we've used those for decades, and it has been fine". But then it can be even more important to talk about that humans have only used fossil fuels since the 1900, so Jesus was born at, I guess, year 0, so that's like 1900 years where people lived without fossil fuels, so it's a pretty "new" thing.
-Speaking of religion, when thinking of adapting a "green living style and mindset (when it comes to politics and that kind of stuff), I think it's important to realize that the front figure of Christianity, Jesus, and in fact all other world religions, basically lived "eco-friendly". There was no cars at his time (no fossil fuel), no electricity, he probably didn't ate to much meat as it probably was expensive. So if you'd follow Jesus' habits in that regard, well then you'd live with respect to nature.
-I haven't read that much about religion, so I'm not an expert at it, and very little from the bible itself. But if there is Anything I remembered from the religion classes it's why god actually put man on Earth - to take care of his creation. And you could say that taking care of the earth is to not let it get to hot, to not let us sway too much in cost of the earth (which god has created). You could even say that it is a responsibility to listen to the advice that the scientists gives us. And you question that and say "But how does religion go hand in hand with science" and one approach to that question is by saying "God has created the world But Science helps us understand it". So the idea is that God has created the earth, and also that he is present, but it is by science and research that we can understand his creation and how we humans have a responsibility as the "image of god". And with that term you could derive that if God represent all things good, and if good created the earth, and if god created mankind as an "image of himself", than humans as "image of god" has the responsibility to morally pure and that could be defined as "taking care of the earth" and "taking care of the plants, the animals, the birds, the fishes, the trees etc."
-I also think there are some bible verses that hint that mankind has responsibility for the earth. But I don't have the energy and time to search for adequate bible verses that take up those issues. And I think that people of religious belief are more willing to do so themselves if they find it interesting.
You're making a lot of assumptions about religious people that aren't necessarily true (even though some are) and I can't imagine there being a correlation between religion and environment
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 01, 2016, 03:46:37 PMYou're making a lot of assumptions about religious people that aren't necessarily true (even though some are) and I can't imagine there being a correlation between religion and environment
...well
God created
The Earth. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's not what I mean
I don't feeling like quoting, but Jesus was actually born around 3 or 4
Also,
*looks outside. Sees frost*
*looks at forecast, sees snow*
Global warming my left foot! That's a bunch of bologna!
All kidding aside, regardless of climate change, I'm in favor of trying to find alternate energy resources, especially those renewable and all the more effiecient. If it slows climate change by any large factor, all the better. Aside from that, my views are fairly nonexistent, given as I never really take the time to sit down and acknowledge these things. Maybe I should. But I don't see it as much of an issue, given as it seems people are trying to prevent whatever climate change is happening.
At the very least, be mindful of your energy usage, emissions, and such.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 01, 2016, 04:42:46 PMAlso,
*looks outside. Sees frost*
*looks at forecast, sees snow*
Global warming my left foot! That's a bunch of bologna!
Just because it's snowy and cold doesn't mean that it has do with climate change. yes the earth is getting hotter but Also by that means that the risk of extreme weather increases, like blizzards and cold periods. So there's not just one side of it, if I've been interpreted the clues the scientists has given via websites and stuff.
Finally! When I'm now unbanned, I can bring up my 3:rd, and a very important point, on global warming and climate change!
Guess what the topic is... ... ... 3... 2... 1...
Spoiler
Trade and economics! ,or more so the type of trade policies being valued.
-I believe trade has a big impact on global warming and that the type of trade being highly rated has direct impact on global warming.
-I believe that a more protectionistic trade policy will have a milder affect on the climate, as less transport is needed.
-I believe people have to face the fact that we really live in a world of abundance, when you can buy food, for example, produced on the other side of the world at your local supermarket at a pretty cheap price! And how it's actually more or less a luxury to be able to do so in the first place.
-I believe that a trade policy, based on more local and regional trade will help mitigate the effects of global warming, as well as create an economic landscape where the local and regional companies and salesmen have a big role and have great influence and opportunity rather than in a economic landscape of free market.
-I believe that there has to be made a cultural change in terms of how we treat products. And a more "economic" mindset and a mindset where you value quality in front of quantity, rather than and mindset of "buying and throwing away and then rebuying" (what we call in Sweden "köp-och-släng", literal meaning "buy-and-throw away"). This would make people use their products to their full, or almost full, potential. And if people buy less products but more valuable ones, than fewer will be produced and that will help the Earth in the sense that we harvest fewer resources from it, and that also uses less transports.
-I also take into account, in this subject, the consumption of meat, as a product. It was different back in like 1900s where people ate a lot more vegetables, because meat was expensive to produce. And when you look at most site and reports about the heat level in the atmosphere, most show that the temperature started increasing around 1850-1900 and then started increasing really rapidly in the 20-century. And when you think about that, you also know that the trade was different back then and also what food people consumed. And that it was probably better for the environment, according to most scientists.
(have been waiting a loooong time to make this post, which I couldn't because I was banned, and finally I made it! Yay!)
Thanks for reading my posts on this topic! I think that it is a topic of highest importance in today's society, and a topic in need of being looked into if we want to live on a stable and sustainable planet ...for years and even more years to come!
And, as I talked about in my posts here, I believe that the 3 key topics regarding this topic are - The Fuels in our Transports, The Energy-production & (last but not least) The Trade Policies.
If my talk about climate change is boring, here's a documentary about it that you might find interesting:
And if that one seems too much "Dicaprio doing film-stuff and acting like he cares about important issues", then this might suit you better:
Anyway I find the first one very emotional. The way he speaks about climate change resonates with what I think about it (maybe Dicaprio is a bit similar to me, but still not, lol). About how it seems like time is running away from us, how the human civilization is really to be honest "taking over" the Earth! And find it crazy when you think about it because, we've basically taken over the Earth and really is "Owning" it. Like what threat do we have against us? Some unknown virus that could kill us all? I mean I guess, but to be honest - we are the biggest threat to ourselves rather than some other specie or some other power. And that basically means that we have a great power! ...and time for me to quote a favorite and important quote from a "special and mundane source" - "With great power comes great responsibility" (Spiderman). That's right "responsibility" I think is a key word when you realize that we have so much power and influence on the Earth, I mean... it's almost ridiculous, we can basically do anything we want, only if there's a will behind it, and that is also... pretty scary... So I think it's important to think about the "responsibility" and not always "care about yourself or other people" but also about "the Earth".
Thinking about this just as I look at the fine chocolate bar I bought on my way home. I basically went into the store, looked around, and (as usual) picked and bought a chocolate bar by intuition. Did it taste good? Well yes, and really yes, it tasted fantastic, just as it said on the actual front "Baobab Dark Chocolate. With Baobabfruit that gives a delicious aftertaste of sour revitalizing citrus-tones" - exactly what it tasted like and exactly what I wanted at that moment, it was awesome! But the question I, when I watched the documentary, posted was... "how good was it For The Earth that I bought it?". And then I started to think about the transportations it takes for it to go from Peru to me here in Sweden. And if they have to cut down forest and disrupt nature in order to produce this chocolate; I'm thinking that they might not need that much as it was kind of "fine" chocolate that costed a bit at least, so maybe it's better than buying a "big-well-known-brand " chocolate bar, but still it's not that good. I mean the best, if I wanted to eat something would probably be to buy some berry-bar thing from Swedish berries, it's just berries from here in Sweden, just a small distance of transport needed for it to be transported to me, and I maybe also help some local people (the countryside of Sweden is getting scarcer and scarcer day by day as people move in to the cities :'().
So I think I'm going to, as a personal goal, focus on - buying less "small candies and stuff" like chocolate (which I love), and also eat less meat (which I also love as I think it really gives a long feeling of fullness, which I need working with pretty physical work). I'm going to achieve the first goal by buying more local snacks and buying less snacks in general, and the second one by! - making more food myself rather than buying from some local hamburger kiosk or something like that, and also focus on eating food with less meat and especially beef (as it is supposed to be the worst in terms of a climate change perspective).
I'm a bit sad that people doesn't seem to care about my opinions about global warming, and that there is little to no discussions about the topic. But to maybe begin some discussions or to hear some opinions at least here are some questions I'd like to hear peoples opinion about:
-What did you think about the documentarie(s)?
-How big of an issue do you think climate change is?
-What do think is the biggest concern in terms of climate change (fuels?, meat?, bad politicians?, bad habit that people have?)
-What do you do to help mitigate climate change?
-What are you interested in doing in order to mitigate climate change?
-Do you think that politicians are doing a good job of stopping climate change?
Funny final question:
-What do think about my initiative to even create this topic to begin with :P?
You're still talking?
I'll never stop talking about this XD. Because I believe that protecting the planet and making this planet the best it could be, and not damaging it by us human who just consume too much from it, is very important thing to care about and a very good thing in general.
Blogging about it on NSM is probably the worst way to do that though.
Sorry my sweetheart, but i want to tell you all of those those shit about global warming is lie. Developed countries use this so called global crisis to levy and impose a great number of Emissions tax from those pathetic developing countries and meanwhile they can restrain the development of those like india and china by suppressing their heavy industry according to those proposes from Copenhagen Conference. If you do not believe, just watch these.
The Great Climate Change Conspiracy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UlTdsT3KEU)
Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0)
how to convert video to 60fps (http://www.videoconverterfactory.com/tips/60fps-converter.html)
Former NASA Scientists... Global Warming Hoax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEaFzhoS67I)
So, you'd rather donate your extra money to Cancer Treatment Research than to those politicians from the governments
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XD
Quote from: Lawnesburg on February 09, 2017, 10:40:54 PMSorry my sweetheart, but i want to tell you all of those those shit about global warming is lie.
oh.......... now that you've said that, i guess i need to change my mind and all my views on climate change. "all of those those shit about global warming is a lie", he said, and it was so deeply profound I needed to leave the Internet for a few days and think about my life choices. Truly, you have changed me deep inside. "Sorry my sweetheart, but i want to tell you all of those those shit about global warming is a lie". With those few words I realized I had done wrong all my life by believing those those shit about global warming. It is truly a shame that more people cannot read that beautiful sentence and learn the truth from it. So to you, my sweetheart, I say I am also sorry. Sorry that you cannot post your words all across the internet and influence people as you have influenced me. Thank you for this blessing.
I'm dying
please tell me that isn't a bot
please tell me a human wrote this
Quote from: Dudeman on February 10, 2017, 08:19:10 AMplease tell me that isn't a bot
please tell me a human wrote this
well a human had to write it even if it is a bot
Quote from: Lawnesburg on February 09, 2017, 10:40:54 PMSorry my sweetheart, but i want to tell you all of those those shit about global warming is lie. Developed countries use this so called global crisis to levy and impose a great number of Emissions tax from those pathetic developing countries and meanwhile they can restrain the development of those like india and china by suppressing their heavy industry according to those proposes from Copenhagen Conference. If you do not believe, just watch these.
The Great Climate Change Conspiracy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UlTdsT3KEU)
Nobel Laureate Smashes the Global Warming Hoax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0)
how to convert video to 60fps (http://www.videoconverterfactory.com/tips/60fps-converter.html)
Former NASA Scientists... Global Warming Hoax (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEaFzhoS67I)
So, you'd rather donate your extra money to Cancer Treatment Research than to those politicians from the governments
Lol so if there is no snow in winter, you telling me everything is fine, and nothing has changed!? And when the desert spread out literally everywhere! You haven't even studied WEATHER so you shouldn't even voice an opinion! If you'd payed more attention to the whether and the changes in climate, like just by reading the news, you should have known that THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG GOING ON RIGHT NOW! You just want to create a lie about it so that people can fund your own personal projects so that you don't have to work on like Pizza Hut doing pizza deliveries for a very scarce salary! And you probably live on one of those artificial islands in like the Arab Emirates and doesn't even recognize and realize the danger that threatens the entire planet known as global warming or climate change!
wtf
Was that an attempt to sound smart and condescending? Because every time I read it it just sounds stupider and stupider.
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Quote from: Dudeman on February 10, 2017, 12:59:31 PMwtf
Was that an attempt to sound smart and condescending? Because every time I read it it just sounds stupider and stupider.
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i love you both
and yes @ dudeman
I'm starting to shift my views on this topic "global Warming". Before I used to think of it as "Global worsening/Climate Worsening" (which is funny because the Swedish word for "worsening" is "Försämring" and the Swedish word for "Change" is "Förändring", so it rhymes which is a bit neat). So I used to think that the climate was getting worse and worse and worse and that it had to stop else everything will be ruined and too drastically changed for example: We wouldn't have snow here in Sweden, Our summers would be both desert-hot and filled with heavy downpour, we'd get new "tropical" diseases, we'd get more ticks (which carry the really harmful TBE-virus which can cause sever brain damage/disease), and a lot of bad changes (not to speak of what crazy worsenings that could happen in other places like the middle-east (being too hot to even live in), or USA (getting even severer extreme-weather).
But I'm starting to change my mind on that believing more that it is a "change" rather than a "worsening" or a "decline". It just seems as lot of things is happening and changing at the moment. You hear of new plants and berries growing, that even my old grand-mom never heard of (being really old and experienced). You hear of different weather-changes nowadays: The winter-storm in New York, the "apparent" "Spanish Heat wave" which was supposed to drive in from Spain to us like a month back... never happened, and now Spain and France is having winter-storms wiping out all the sallad-crops, ...and we only have some snow left... But the craziest thing I, just recently, saw is: that I want (for your amusement sake) to show you, which really almost convince me that the world is Literally Upside-down! Snowy mountains in the middle-east! Wtf!? When was the last time you heard of "snow in the middle-east"!? I mean I have heard that in some places like Syria, there can actually be really cold times but I'm talking about snow like in ski-slopes!!! ...and we here in Sweden get like... some snow... that is left from, like, december. And a lot of ski-shops are closed and sport-shops have quit selling ski-related products. :(
Just watch!
Reminds me of an old book I read from, like, the 1800, written by Sir Walter Scott - called "The Talisman". It was about some English King traveling to the middle-east because... who knows ...who cares (probably the crusade or something). But he was dining and talked with some Arab-leader/king who presented him with "sorbet-ice cream" which apparently was made in the depths of
brinstar some cave. So they apparently had like cold caves they could make ice-cream in (wtf!?). And now they have like fucking ice-mountains so that they can ski! Wtf is going on in this world!!!??? The world is literally changing. It is true. :D
There was a mini ice age in europe in the middle ages.
It was not man made.
Take that.
And castles no-one could reach (lol) (I actually believe those myths (from the romantic period) are true! :P) and houses that look kind of.. good-looking, lol, and the plague and medieval music and a-lot-of-stuff-nobody-knows-because-it-is-called-the-dark-ages-so-it-was-dark-and-you-need-a-lamp-to-lighten-the-dark-ages-up-so-you-can-see-what-actually-happened (and it probably didn't happen much tbh, lol, because... it was dark... you need light to make things happen duh.). And the middle-east had big libraries at that time and America didn't exist (lol) (west india :P). And the best of best about the middle-ages is that: The Earth Was Flat! (so you could fall of the edge, so watch out for that. :P)
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on February 14, 2017, 03:00:13 PMYou hear of different weather-changes nowadays: The winter-storm in New York
This is not a new thing. I've also completely lost track of whatever point you might have been trying to make.
Was tobbeh just trying to argue with that bot?
not surprised in the least.
... wait is "Mealstrom" a bot!!??
Tobbeh, every single one of your points always sound like "I don't think things are supposed to be this way, therefore they weren't like this in the past based on no outside evidence, therefore things are different, therefore things are bad." (see: points relating to "no snow in Winter" or a recent one about how deserts exist) If you want us to take you seriously, stop assuming you know everything or are noticing things that other people aren't, because you aren't. You are clearly basing your arguments on poorly-researched articles and incorrect deductions.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on February 14, 2017, 03:07:46 PMAnd castles no-one could reach (lol) (I actually believe those myths (from the romantic period) are true! :P) and houses that look kind of.. good-looking, lol, and the plague and medieval music and a-lot-of-stuff-nobody-knows-because-it-is-called-the-dark-ages-so-it-was-dark-and-you-need-a-lamp-to-lighten-the-dark-ages-up-so-you-can-see-what-actually-happened (and it probably didn't happen much tbh, lol, because... it was dark... you need light to make things happen duh.). And the middle-east had big libraries at that time and America didn't exist (lol) (west india :P). And the best of best about the middle-ages is that: The Earth Was Flat! (so you could fall of the edge, so watch out for that. :P)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
Quote from: Dudeman on February 14, 2017, 03:37:16 PMTobbeh, every single one of your points always sound like "I don't think things are supposed to be this way, therefore they weren't like this in the past based on no outside evidence, therefore things are different, therefore things are bad." (see: points relating to "no snow in Winter" or a recent one about how deserts exist) If you want us to take you seriously, stop assuming you know everything or are noticing things that other people aren't, because you aren't. You are clearly basing your arguments on poorly-researched articles and incorrect deductions.
Maybe a better point of discussion is: Am I the only one experiencing changes in climate/weather? Or is it just me?
Quote from: Maelstrom on February 14, 2017, 03:37:33 PMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
That's not the middle-ages that's the 1600 aka the renaissance-period/enlightenment-period. I thought you meant the middle-ages as in the year 0-1300, like "the medieval ages".
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on February 14, 2017, 03:42:27 PMMaybe a better point of discussion is: Am I the only one experiencing changes in climate/weather? Or is it just me?
straight from the department of redundancy department
TIL the middle ages started in year 0
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on February 14, 2017, 03:07:46 PMa-lot-of-stuff-nobody-knows-because-it-is-called-the-dark-ages-so-it-was-dark-and-you-need-a-lamp-to-lighten-the-dark-ages-up-so-you-can-see-what-actually-happened (and it probably didn't happen much tbh, lol, because... it was dark... you need light to make things happen duh.).
also are you FUCKING serious lmao what
Quote from: Altissimo on February 14, 2017, 05:51:00 PMalso are you FUCKING serious lmao what
omg how did I miss that the first time
oh wait I know it's because I chose not to expose myself to another asinine bout of "reasoning"
I cannot fathom how little you can fathom, Tobbeh.
I just want to end this topic.
I thought, back in the day, that this was an important topic. But I've now realized that this topic is just to complicated for me. Some days it is cold, other days it is warm. And you're like "Is the planet really getting warmer?"
We have started using biofuel here in Sweden because we got too many flowers and trees and stuff. And I don't know what you guys use but y...
So I think this topic is to complicated to discuss so I want to end the discussion of this here.
But I think it will end automatically, because the topics that are old gets like deleted after a while, because it gets older and older and nobody cares about it after a while (we even have a warning for topics older that 100 days, lol).
so I think this topic will "wither" away. :) :'(
well it might be too complicated for you but that means literally nothing for the rest of us
im no expert on this but the more you post in a topic the less likely it's going to go away
GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT HUMAN FAULT
A DARK ENTITY IS FEEDING OFF NEGATIVE EMOTIONS causing the earth to stop spinning and get dragged into the sun
This is true, my uncle works at Nintendo and he told me the same thing.
Quote from: Dude on February 19, 2017, 03:11:29 PMim no expert on this but the more you post in a topic the less likely it's going to go away
Quote from: Clanker37 on October 17, 2015, 07:29:18 AMI...I don't know what to say...The evidence is clear
If posting causes activity in a thread...
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oh gosh no...That means
this thread isn't going away...[/myattempttomimicamemorablequote]
So far this is the best thing I've missed, but I've still got a lot to go through
I hardly use these forums, but I see something about global warming, so I have to post. (It's also 2 am)
Firstly, I think the term "global warming" is slightly misleading. Sure, the average temperature is rising, but that doesn't mean that the temperature is rising at the same rate all across the globe. We should start using "climate change" instead, because there's no confusion that, right?
Secondly, I do think climate change is real. Frequently in the news, we hear record breaking blizzards, storms, droughts and heat waves. And it's not just in the news either, I'm sure we've all noticed odd weather like snowing in April one year, then hitting 30 degrees in another. All of this comes under the umbrella term "climate change", and it's pretty hard to deny.
Lastly, on earth, there has definitely been periodic ice-ages, and periods between. This does not, however, mean that the rise in average temperature is solely due to this. It has been about 20000 years since the previous major ice age, and temperatures have risen by about 5 degrees C in that amount of time. However, just in the past century or so alone, the temperature has risen by 1 degrees C. It's pretty easy to see an acceleration, don't you think?
The climate is always changing and we do not need to worry about it. God is in charge. And he promised in genie is 9:11 that he will never allow the earth to flood again and have us the rainbow in memory of that. Gen 9:11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth." the climate change is not making the ocean rise. I'm fact the earth is getting cooler because of this and there is starting to be too little carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
Who's making popcorn
oh no not this again
Quote from: Splatoon Inkling on July 13, 2018, 03:08:09 PMThe climate is always changing and we do not need to worry about it. God is in charge. And he promised in genie is 9:11 that he will never allow the earth to flood again and have us the rainbow in memory of that. Gen 9:11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth." the climate change is not making the ocean rise. I'm fact the earth is getting cooler because of this and there is starting to be too little carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
lemme stop ya right there
During the first semester of my sophomore year at college (a very religious college, mind you), I took a religion class that was centered around the subject of Christian duty to the environment; it was taught by a guy named Chris Doran. This is his book (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/hope-in-the-age-of-climate-change-chris-doran/1126884792?ean=9781498297042&st=PLA&sid=BNB_DRS_New+Core+Shopping+Top+Margin+EANs_00000000&2sid=Google_&sourceId=PLGoP211445&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm6HaBRCbARIsAFDNK-i6loRFrhYJcn3CkNDWxamfkRBs5IWyc_GpJFVY1w0aBXoTTf_J8bMaAvqgEALw_wcB) (don't know why it's so expensive, but it's probably still worth it). A big part of the book is about Christians who do and say stuff reflective of the mentality in your post in order to deflect responsibility from their own actions, and how in the end, it's basically
our responsibility to take proper care of the earth, and not neglect/abuse the environment just because we think God is some magical genie who's going to make everything right for us. I suggest you read it.
There's nothing I hate more than when people think they know everything because they're Them and they have Their Beliefs and that makes them Right
We're all guilty of it to some degree but people who grandstand about it are exceptionally obnoxious
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 13, 2018, 05:29:43 PMlemme stop ya right there
During the first semester of my sophomore year at college (a very religious college, mind you), I took a religion class that was centered around the subject of Christian duty to the environment; it was taught by a guy named Chris Doran. This is his book (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/hope-in-the-age-of-climate-change-chris-doran/1126884792?ean=9781498297042&st=PLA&sid=BNB_DRS_New+Core+Shopping+Top+Margin+EANs_00000000&2sid=Google_&sourceId=PLGoP211445&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm6HaBRCbARIsAFDNK-i6loRFrhYJcn3CkNDWxamfkRBs5IWyc_GpJFVY1w0aBXoTTf_J8bMaAvqgEALw_wcB) (don't know why it's so expensive, but it's probably still worth it). A big part of the book is about Christians who do and say stuff reflective of the mentality in your post in order to deflect responsibility from their own actions, and how in the end, it's basically our responsibility to take proper care of the earth, and not neglect/abuse the environment just because we think God is some magical genie who's going to make everything right for us. I suggest you read it.
I'm not saying we don't have to take care of the earth we really do but GOD gave us things to take care of them but I think the environmentalists have gone a bit to far with global warming.
Quote from: Splatoon Inkling on July 13, 2018, 03:08:09 PMAnd he promised in genie is 9:11 that....
>genie is
I can't take this seriously.
I am sorry for going a bit overboard with the climate change argument and made some people mad can you forgive me for that?
Hello, I believe you joined while I was out for the week, so welcome to NinSheetMusic!
But uh... more on-topic, you gotta remember that we all have our own beliefs, and especially on Internet forums like this one, there will be a great variance in the different viewpoints people have on certain issues. Climate change is no different. Climate change is ESPECIALLY no different.
But with that also being said, while it's good to express your opinion, sometimes it's even better to practice restraint. This would've been a good example of when to do the latter, as the thread already has several pages to its name. A reading through the thread would also have shown how... ah... heated this particular topic has been in the past here. And would've ideally caused you to think twice about posting, you know what I'm saying?
But that's just my two cents, take from it what you will.
I can't wait for god to reverse climate change
Quote from: Splatoon Inkling on July 13, 2018, 06:24:43 PMI'm not saying we don't have to take care of the earth we really do but GOD gave us things to take care of them but I think the environmentalists have gone a bit to far with global warming.
Now, now there, you're definitely backpedaling. You said this here:
Quote from: Splatoon Inkling on July 13, 2018, 03:08:09 PMThe climate is always changing and we do not need to worry about it.
That definitely makes me think you
were saying what I thought you were saying.
and it isn't like climate change is some environmentalist conspiracy
Guys I'm gonna quite the arguments in here. I'm sorry for offending anyone with them but I just went to far. Will you forgive me?
Stop apologizing, it's ok.
Ok thanks :)