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Title: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Latios212 on March 07, 2016, 05:07:35 AM
You know the drill! What'll the theme be next time around?

Poll is up
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Latios212 on March 07, 2016, 05:08:35 AM
I think Maestro proposed the idea of mashing up two songs from different series, which I particularly like.

Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 07, 2016, 06:40:11 AM
I totally knew you would use that song. :P

How about a JAZZ IT UP contest? Take a song and turn it into a Big Band Swing, Latin, Bossa-Nova, Bebop, Ballad, etc. I'd love to see moar Jazz around here! :D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 07, 2016, 06:42:52 AM
We should wait until May for schooooolll to be done! :D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 07, 2016, 07:01:29 AM
I agree. I might even have time to join it. ;)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: braixen1264 on March 07, 2016, 07:20:41 AM
If we're doing bossa nova count me in.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 07, 2016, 01:18:36 PM
Crap, now I gotta google bossa nova!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: TheMarioPianist on March 07, 2016, 02:29:36 PM
We should wait until May for schooooolll to be done! :D
Please, do this. I actually really wanna submit something this time.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Latios212 on March 07, 2016, 02:32:37 PM
Hey I don't mind. I'm not even the host anymore (right?). I say we wait, but let's decide on a theme in the meantime!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 07, 2016, 02:37:57 PM
In for Host

I actually like The JAZZ IT UP Idea, to be honest. It's something that could easily be done and isn't really restrictive on what arrangers can do with the song.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on March 07, 2016, 06:53:42 PM
I actually think the jazz-idea is more restricting than the two song mashup, because it forces you into that particular style. When putting two songs together, you can make it as jazzy or classical or br00tal as you like. I personally like the mashup better, but that's probably because I've always put more songs together in all my arrangement contest submissions. (I also don't have that much knowledge about jazz music)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 07, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
I actually think the jazz-idea is more restricting than the two song mashup, because it forces you into that particular style. When putting two songs together, you can make it as jazzy or classical or br00tal as you like. I personally like the mashup better, but that's probably because I've always put more songs together in all my arrangement contest submissions. (I also don't have that much knowledge about jazz music)
That is true now that I think about it. I still like the Jazz idea more but I kind of have a preference for Jazz arrangements.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 07, 2016, 09:40:51 PM
Would if we had to mash up two different jazz songs?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 07, 2016, 10:59:14 PM
I actually think the jazz-idea is more restricting than the two song mashup, because it forces you into that particular style. When putting two songs together, you can make it as jazzy or classical or br00tal as you like. I personally like the mashup better, but that's probably because I've always put more songs together in all my arrangement contest submissions. (I also don't have that much knowledge about jazz music)
There are a lot of different Jazz styles, though. It doesn't just have to swing; it could be a ballad or bossa-nova, etc. There's HEAPS of Nintendo Jazz-esque music to check out (Super Mario 3D World or Mario Kart 8).

You could write it as either a traditional Jazz piece (chords, solo section, etc.) or just notate the whole thing! It'd be a great learning experience for all! :D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 08, 2016, 01:20:36 AM
I like jazz as much as the next guy but I think it could be a bit of a turn-off for those who don't like jazz
perhaps we should follow up on the previous one and do an ensemble of our "main" instrument whether or not that be piano
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 08, 2016, 03:11:03 AM
What if we team up in pairs for collaborations?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: braixen1264 on March 08, 2016, 03:22:26 AM
That's a cool idea
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 08, 2016, 03:34:54 AM
idk how to work together though
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 08, 2016, 03:37:27 AM
idk how to work together though
Well, one person places a note, then the next person places a note, and you take turns until there's finally one measure.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Dudeman on March 08, 2016, 04:11:57 AM
Well, one person places a note, then the next person places a note, and you take turns until there's finally one measure.
Instructions unclear, Finale on fire
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 08, 2016, 08:46:18 AM
What if we team up in pairs for collaborations?
I like this. It means those who find doing a whole piece daunting can work with another. :)

I like jazz as much as the next guy but I think it could be a bit of a turn-off for those who don't like jazz
Where are these people and how can I rid the world of them?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on March 08, 2016, 09:40:48 AM
What if we team up in pairs for collaborations?
How would the pairing go? Would it be random or be determined by the judges or something else?

Where are these people and how can I rid the world of them?
*runs*
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on March 08, 2016, 04:04:26 PM
I like the idea of a collab theme, and of course mine would be a swinging jazz, theme or not.  ;) Of course, that's provided I sign up and actually DO something this time... XD
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 08, 2016, 10:43:58 PM
*runs*
Don't worry, Bloop! I wouldn't kill you! We could work together and create a third-stream sensation! :D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on March 09, 2016, 01:07:14 AM
push the definition of music

minimalist interpretation of vg music

KappaRoss
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 09, 2016, 01:35:16 AM
Question: Is this an orchestrated piece or piano?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 09, 2016, 01:58:39 AM
Depends on the contest we decide to do. Most of the time the instrumentation is up to you.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: braixen1264 on March 09, 2016, 02:02:57 AM
Orchestration is fun
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 09, 2016, 02:21:11 AM
for my first contest I did a piano solo and it didn't go well
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 09, 2016, 02:31:56 AM
Well, if you pull the BespinBen filter, you'll do great!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 09, 2016, 03:18:17 AM
for my first contest I did a piano solo and it didn't go well

What are you talking about? I remember that contest and yours was great! Even more so since it was your first attempt at something like this! You are too hard on yourself. :/
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: braixen1264 on March 09, 2016, 03:24:38 AM
If you pull the bespinben filter, you'll say that all your sheets are bad
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Sebastian on March 09, 2016, 05:12:28 AM
I'll be totally participating next time. Can't wait!

What are you talking about? I remember that contest and yours was great! Even more so since it was your first attempt at something like this! You are too hard on yourself. :/
^^
Give yourself some credit, Noc. You're an awesome guy!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Sebastian on March 09, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
(Double post)

I have an idea for the next project. Mixing a Christmas song with a Video Game song. It's not really that time of year, but it's an idea I've been hanging on to for a while :P
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 09, 2016, 09:38:25 PM
ew, no
following up on the collaboration idea, what if two people collaborated to make a duet?  I also feel like it would increase the submissions we have at the end since people will be more motivated to work on it with another person
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Zeila on March 09, 2016, 10:05:24 PM
I like the duet idea, but it kind of limits people on which songs they choose (unless they aren't doing solely piano, or write out a second part altogether). Also, like noc said, I feel like I'd be more motivated to complete it. Maybe people who are busy/unmotivated/w/e could group together so that it's more likely that both people in a group don't finish as opposed to two people bringing down two others

I don't particularly like the Christmas idea though, but I'm not totally opposed to it.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 09, 2016, 10:38:27 PM
Uhh, maybe do the Christmas one in December. :P
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 09, 2016, 11:44:59 PM
I like the idea of doing a duet, but I just don't know how it'd work :P
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 09, 2016, 11:59:43 PM
I like the idea of doing a duet, but I just don't know how it'd work :P
each person would choose an instrument and either work on the duet together, constantly sharing the document, or decide who gets which voices and makes the primo and secondo parts independently then puts them together when completed
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 10, 2016, 03:34:55 AM
Christmas songs: dumb idea
Duets: cool idea

I would be down for duet collabs, that sounds like so much fun!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 10, 2016, 03:48:50 AM
You should totally do a duet, just du et!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 10, 2016, 04:00:34 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3JrXVK1OHPQ/TDwW9df1CqI/AAAAAAAAAfA/yPr_M0QfDP8/s1600/vlcsnap-2010-07-09-10h27m46s235.png)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on March 10, 2016, 04:28:30 AM
I know this question was asked before, but I don't remember seeing an answer:
So, how would the teams be decided? Casting lots? Draw straws? Sacrifice?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 10, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
If a person wanted to participate in the contest, I think it would be their job to find someone to arrange with. The contest isn't going to be for a little bit, so that should give people plenty of time to chat with members and find a partner. If all else fails, when the contest gets here, I could just randomly select pairs from the list of participants. If there is someone left over, we could have a group of three, i suppose.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Tobbeh99 on March 10, 2016, 03:30:50 PM
If a person wanted to participate in the contest, I think it would be their job to find someone to arrange with. The contest isn't going to be for a little bit, so that should give people plenty of time to chat with members and find a partner. If all else fails, when the contest gets here, I could just randomly select pairs from the list of participants. If there is someone left over, we could have a group of three, i suppose.

Exactly what I thought.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on March 10, 2016, 04:01:20 PM
Ok, so who all is planning on participating? More importantly, should this idea become the theme, if I participated, who would be willing to collab with me?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: braixen1264 on March 10, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
I'm only participating if I get to do bossa nova
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 10, 2016, 04:50:35 PM
It would probably ideal if Latios added a poll at this point.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Latios212 on March 10, 2016, 06:27:20 PM
Someone update me on what the choices/options are? I've been kinda busy.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 10, 2016, 06:52:10 PM
I think everyone here is nice and friendly enough that choosing partners shouldn't be an issue
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Zeila on March 10, 2016, 09:11:07 PM
Someone update me on what the choices/options are? I've been kinda busy.
1. Mixing two songs from two different series together
2. Jazz it up/bossa nova
3. Collaboration between two people (possibly a duet song)
4. Combine a VG and Christmas song

I'm fine with collabing with anyone, but I'll likely not participate for #2 or 4 (I'm fine with doing a jazzy song if it's a part of the collab though)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: MaestroUGC on March 10, 2016, 09:13:15 PM
If anything 1 and 3 should prove to be the most engaging of what has been suggested, though I'm not a fan of collaborating to produce a duet.

Also, if we opt for the collab idea, we should allow people who want to compete alone to do so. Some people may not want to worry about a partner or risk being saddled with someone who might not do much.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 10, 2016, 09:21:23 PM
I disagree. If we do duets, it should be all or none, especially if that's the theme of the contest. If someone does not wish to collaborate, they do not have to sign up (Imo, is someone does not want to collaborate, it would probably be better for them to do it anyway. Working as a team is a good life skill). How would you even hold the two different scenarios to the same standard for judging?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: MaestroUGC on March 10, 2016, 09:41:01 PM
How would you even hold the two different scenarios to the same standard for judging?
Well the only way to judge something like this is to treat each entry as though it was written by a single person. It's not like you'd know who wrote specific bars, handled orchestration, or even how artistic direction was decided. There's also the flip side of this of having one person just take over the entire project, a matter of dominant and assertive personalities.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on March 10, 2016, 10:29:07 PM
I'm just going to put it out there that I don't particularly like #4. I mean, it'd be fun around Christmas. Also going to state that if I do sign up, my work will be jazzy either way. I will find some way to implement it in our/my work.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on March 10, 2016, 11:33:30 PM
Wait, if we're going with the collab idea, we should still have a theme for the piece that is going to be written, right? There isn't really a way to judge the collab-part of a piece, like Maestro said, so we can't put it as the main and only theme.
What if we put option 1 (song mash-up) and 3 (collab) together? Write a piece that mixes two VG songs with a partner. That way we 'double' the song choice and the participant.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 11, 2016, 12:07:21 AM
woah yer blowin my mind blerp
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 11, 2016, 02:12:01 AM
Write a piece that mixes two VG songs with a partner.
Yeah, one person could do one VG song and the other could do the other VG song!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 11, 2016, 02:35:50 AM
Wait, if we're going with the collab idea, we should still have a theme for the piece that is going to be written, right? There isn't really a way to judge the collab-part of a piece, like Maestro said, so we can't put it as the main and only theme.
What if we put option 1 (song mash-up) and 3 (collab) together? Write a piece that mixes two VG songs with a partner. That way we 'double' the song choice and the participant.
That's a really great Idea!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 11, 2016, 05:19:15 AM
Agreed. Let's do it! :D

Also, I'm not officially free until the end of June, so if you want to start before then I won't be able to participate... Not that it's a huge problem. I love judging, so just figure it out and I'll either compete or judge. ^^
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on March 11, 2016, 01:19:27 PM
A way you could judge collaborations could be like this: If they are doing piano, one person could be doing trebble clef and the other does bass clef, or have it two pianos, one person does one piano and the other does the other piano. If they're doing an orchestration, one person could do melody and percussion the other does bass and counter melody, or one person does woodwinds and strings and the other does brass and percussion. These things would be decided by the collaborators and they would tell the judge who does what and the judge can judge now knowing who did what.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 11, 2016, 02:56:27 PM
 I agree that it would work best if the collaborators agree on what they will do and how they will do it. However, I think it would be best if they presented it kind of like what maestro said, as a single work. In my opinion, it should be graded as a group effort rather than picked apart as an "OK who did what? Who deserves more praise?"
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on March 11, 2016, 03:00:52 PM
^^^
Also, I'm kinda hoping the contest is held in June as well. It's 15x more likely I'd sign up for this one if that were the case.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 11, 2016, 03:30:47 PM
Yeah, I think this would be a great challenge to test and hone arrangers abilities to work with a partner. Bloop's proposition of combining option 1 and 3 would give the participants even more freedom and makes the most sense when you think about it, for we shouldn't just have people compete to see who can collab the best. We need to have a contest that actually poses an interesting challenge. Sure, Collaborations are hard enough already, but that's not really unique. People collaborate on songs all the time. It would up the challenge of  the contest if we made the teams combine the melodies and rhythms of different VG music into a well-made mash-up. If done right, almost all VG songs can be combined together to make a beautiful masterpiece. Doing this would also make the stipulations be more clear, and gives the teams a task instead of having the teams chose completely different things to do with their collaborations. For one, that could cause some problems with the judging of each piece, as you can't really judge a jazz orchestration the same way you judge a Seasonal orchestration or a mash-up. And being that the collaboration idea has no set in stone limitations, other than having to work with a partner, i strongly feel like we split it into 3 different ideas. This would give us 6 different ideas for the contest:
1. Mixing two songs from two different series together (Collaboration requirement)
2. Mixing two songs from two different series together
3. Jazz It Up/ bossa nova (Collaboration requirement)
4. Jazz It Up/ bossa nova
5. Combine a VG and Christmas song (Collaboration requirement)
6.Combine a VG and Christmas song

This would allow the contest to have clear instructions and make it easier for me and the judges to create a scoring system. Does everyone agree with me on this?



Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: MaestroUGC on March 11, 2016, 04:00:53 PM
I think the theme itself should be decided first, and once we see the level of interest then decide if we'd have enough people to even do collaborations. It's clear this thing likely won't begin until closer to May anyway.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on March 11, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
I like bloop's idea of "two people make a duet, but the duet is a mashup of two different themes".  That way the group can be scored on how well the two pieces flow together, if they're distinguishable and recognizable yet inseparable at the same time, etc.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bespinben on March 14, 2016, 07:42:49 PM
How about the contest be who can make the best fleenstones spoof?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on March 14, 2016, 11:51:37 PM
GRAND. DAD.
FLEENTSTONEZ?
AUGHHHH
GRAND. DAD.
GRAND DAD?
WHAT THE FUCK
GRAND DAD?
GRAND DAD!
WHAT THE SHIT
GRAND DAD

also my postmodernist interpretation idea was serious
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on March 15, 2016, 02:25:29 AM
For one, that could cause some problems with the judging of each piece, as you can't really judge a jazz orchestration the same way you judge a Seasonal orchestration or a mash-up.
If I had the time, I would've entered the Seasonal Contest with a Big Band Swing, Ballad, Funk and Latin theme for each. :P

But I didn't, so don't worry. XD
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 17, 2016, 01:45:16 PM
So..would we need a poll at this point or should we wait?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on March 17, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Wait
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on March 18, 2016, 01:18:57 PM
Okay, then. LET THE WAITING COMMENCE!!!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on April 11, 2016, 09:40:07 PM
Just gonna throw around the idea of theme + variations and disappear~
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on April 11, 2016, 10:36:01 PM
Again?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on April 11, 2016, 10:37:49 PM
It's a fun theme though
It depends on whether people want something new to try out or something already done that they liked. (Personally I'm both of these people)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 11, 2016, 11:25:56 PM
I mean...I guess we should consider this. Who knows, we might have to do this in the future. Might as well allow it now.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Ōkami~MD on April 12, 2016, 07:32:15 PM
Also just throwing in an idea....

We could do a kind of 'relay arrangement', where you're in teams of (say) 4 and you each have (insert time limit here) to do some of the arrangement.

E.g person 1 gets told what the piece of music to be arranged is but they tell no one and do not put it in the title, so they must complete as much of it so that it's obvious what the tune is, onto person 2, they continue the arrangement, same with person 3, then when it reaches person 4, they must make it upload worthy and make sure everything is correct. The hardest jobs are 1 and 4 so less experienced arrangers can also help too.

It may seem pretty convoluted and I won't be upset iff you diss it but, just throwing it out there y'see?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on April 13, 2016, 12:50:01 PM
Now that would be chaos on a stick!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 13, 2016, 01:46:22 PM
Also just throwing in an idea....

We could do a kind of 'relay arrangement', where you're in teams of (say) 4 and you each have (insert time limit here) to do some of the arrangement.

E.g person 1 gets told what the piece of music to be arranged is but they tell no one and do not put it in the title, so they must complete as much of it so that it's obvious what the tune is, onto person 2, they continue the arrangement, same with person 3, then when it reaches person 4, they must make it upload worthy and make sure everything is correct. The hardest jobs are 1 and 4 so less experienced arrangers can also help too.

It may seem pretty convoluted and I won't be upset iff you diss it but, just throwing it out there y'see?
I like the concept, but the Idea of the other 3 members not knowing the song person #1 chooses might not work so well. Besides that, it sounds like a cool idea. It goes a step further (maybe even two) than a regular collaboration.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: TooFarGann on April 13, 2016, 02:12:45 PM
Also just throwing in an idea....

We could do a kind of 'relay arrangement', where you're in teams of (say) 4 and you each have (insert time limit here) to do some of the arrangement.

E.g person 1 gets told what the piece of music to be arranged is but they tell no one and do not put it in the title, so they must complete as much of it so that it's obvious what the tune is, onto person 2, they continue the arrangement, same with person 3, then when it reaches person 4, they must make it upload worthy and make sure everything is correct. The hardest jobs are 1 and 4 so less experienced arrangers can also help too.

It may seem pretty convoluted and I won't be upset iff you diss it but, just throwing it out there y'see?
I love this idea.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: fingerz on April 13, 2016, 11:02:02 PM
...What if someone has no freakin' idea what the piece is? I only listen to high-quality videogame rips a very select amount of Nintendo music, so if it wasn't a common tune, I'd be lost. XD
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on April 13, 2016, 11:04:53 PM
I also don't think it's a good idea to let 4 people make a sheet within 4 deadlines; the contests aren't fanous for its contestants being on time with their sheet
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: TheMarioPianist on April 14, 2016, 12:02:57 AM
I also don't think it's a good idea to let 4 people make a sheet within 4 deadlines; the contests aren't famous for its contestants being on time with their sheet
the contests aren't famous for its contestants being on time with their sheet
being on time

Definitely the biggest issue here. If one person commits but then doesn't do their part, the whole group is screwed over. Also, this could turn into one person doing 90% of the work and the other 3 only doing 10%. Overall, it just wouldn't work. Musicians are not famous for being organized nor timely.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Dudeman on April 14, 2016, 12:04:19 AM
Musicians are not famous for being organized nor timely.
*cough* superlatives *cough*
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: TheMarioPianist on April 14, 2016, 12:16:40 AM
*cough* superlatives *cough*

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 1, 13700000000 BC, 12:00:00 AM
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Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Latios212 on April 14, 2016, 12:21:17 AM
yes
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: TheMarioPianist on April 14, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
no
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 14, 2016, 02:42:50 AM
This is not the hall of quotes, guys.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: NocturneOfShadow on April 14, 2016, 03:26:53 AM
This is not the hall of quotes, guys.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 14, 2016, 01:47:24 PM
I also don't think it's a good idea to let 4 people make a sheet within 4 deadlines; the contests aren't fanous for its contestants being on time with their sheet

We could just make the deadline 4 times as long. I believe the idea could work, but this idea doesn't really have anything to judge on. We could add this to other ideas, say making the contest a Jazz It Up (4-person relay) Arrangement contest as an example. This way the pieces would be easier to judge.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on April 14, 2016, 02:15:25 PM
I actually don't think it will work. At all. The deadline would be way too long (4 months? No, thanks), and I think it would be way less fun to actually write. The piece becomes a whole lot less personal; the first arranger can't really say anything about whayever the fourth arranger decides to send in (also, waiting 3 months until you see your final piece? No thanks)
With two persons in a team, it's way easier and more fun to discuss about the piece and to arrange it, imo.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: TheMarioPianist on April 14, 2016, 02:55:28 PM
I actually don't think it will work. At all. The deadline would be way too long (4 months? No, thanks), and I think it would be way less fun to actually write. The piece becomes a whole lot less personal; the first arranger can't really say anything about whayever the fourth arranger decides to send in (also, waiting 3 months until you see your final piece? No thanks)
With two persons in a team, it's way easier and more fun to discuss about the piece and to arrange it, imo.
This is all very true. Also, there is the fact that even though 10-12 people sign up for the contest, only 3-4 end up doing an arrangement. Having groups of four over groups of two makes this much more likely to fail.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 14, 2016, 03:05:45 PM
Yeah. I see your point. I think it's best that we scrap this idea. Sorry Okami.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Ōkami~MD on April 14, 2016, 07:40:45 PM
Yeah alright  ;) didn't really expect it to be possible anyway
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 15, 2016, 01:46:14 PM
Here is a list of the current contest ideas. Just to remind everyone.

JAZZ IT UP contest (/collab)
TWO SONG MASH-UP (/collab)
CHRISTMAS VARIATION (/collab)
DUET (collab)
BOSSA NOVA (/collab)
BOSSA NOVA definition
a style of Brazilian music derived from samba but placing more emphasis on melody and less on percussion
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THEME + VARIATIONS (/collab)
GIVE IT LYRICS (/collab)

All with (/collab) means there are two options: collaborated or solo



We should wait until May for schooooolll to be done! :D
I agree. I might even have time to join it. ;)
Also, I'm kinda hoping the contest is held in June as well. It's 15x more likely I'd sign up for this one if that were the case.

Given how many people want this to start around May and June. I say that should be our goal starting time.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on April 26, 2016, 01:10:38 AM
sonata cycle
with a movement in sonata form

or writing for a more modern ensemble, like a rock band

or postmodern, that'd be very interesting

every day
is a day
that is a day
wow
bye

EDIT: Actually, what I think could be a legitimate contest theme is something akin to an art song. But in this case, we'd take the original melody, and set that for voice, with possibly poetic lyrics, most likely relating to the plot of the game from which the music came from. Then, we'd add an accompaniment that fits with the lyrics. Some of the points would come from how well the melody and accompaniment reflect the text. Take a look at Erlkönig or Gretchen am Spinnrade, for example (the original for voice and piano by Schubert, not the piano arrangement by Liszt). If you analyze those, you can see how the accompaniment reflects the text. So I'm thinking that'd be pretty interesting for a competition. Except that in this case, you'd be fitting your accompaniment and text to the melody, instead of fitting the melody and accompaniment to text.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 26, 2016, 02:58:56 PM
Are you saying we should make the contest be about writing lyrics for video game songs?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on April 26, 2016, 03:04:35 PM
Lyrics that reflect the mood of the melody, yes. I really like that idea, it opens up room for lots of interpretation, which is probably one of the most important aspects in arrangement contests.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 26, 2016, 03:32:30 PM
Lyrics that reflect the mood of the melody, yes. I really like that idea, it opens up room for lots of interpretation, which is probably one of the most important aspects in arrangement contests.
It is an interesting idea. People have done things like this before and they can turn out really good!
Example
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I'm down with the idea! I'll add it to the list i made.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Oronoco on April 26, 2016, 03:36:52 PM
As someone who would inevitably stick lyrics on an arrangement anyway, I approve of this idea.

Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on April 26, 2016, 11:54:06 PM
Mmm, if you take a look at the stuff I mentioned, they do some pretty interesting things. Like how the right hand in "Erlkönig" plays a figure that represents a horse galloping hurriedly, or how accompaniment in "Gretchen am Spinnrade" plays something that represents the spinning wheel and treadle in the poem, saving the most important words for the highest notes of the melody. Adding stuff like that so it isn't simply lyrics over the original song (which would probably make you lose creativity points anyway)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on April 27, 2016, 02:51:12 PM
Mmm, if you take a look at the stuff I mentioned, they do some pretty interesting things. Like how the right hand in "Erlkönig" plays a figure that represents a horse galloping hurriedly, or how accompaniment in "Gretchen am Spinnrade" plays something that represents the spinning wheel and treadle in the poem, saving the most important words for the highest notes of the melody. Adding stuff like that so it isn't simply lyrics over the original song (which would probably make you lose creativity points anyway)
Exactly...so with that said, given that we have 7 ideas to choose from, I feel like we should start the poll around the beginning of May, and leave it up for about 2 or 3 weeks. Then for the 3 or last week of may and possibly the first week of June, we could do the sign-ups. This would allow people to be done with finals and give them the chance to either judge or participate in the contest. While sign-ups are going on, me and the judges could come up with the scoring system and point categories. Once that's decided, we could then start it around the first or second week of June.How does that sound to everyone?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on July 01, 2016, 10:21:07 PM
Boomp. It's July now.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on July 17, 2016, 02:10:10 AM
Boop.. In for hosting
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Dekkadeci on July 20, 2016, 03:04:37 AM
I'm also interested in participating in the arrangement contest (more likely solo than collab).

...Though I'm probably not voting for BOSSA NOVA (don't know enough bossa nova music) or GIVE IT LYRICS (I gave up on completing lyrics for my first song in verse-chorus form).

Wondering how much of each rule set you'll give in the polls (e.g. the description of THEME + VARIATIONS as "Write a theme and variations on a VGM piece", "Write a...VGM piece--we will specify the VGM piece and desired instrumentation at the start of the contest", "Write a...VGM piece--each entrant specifies the VGM piece s/he will base his/her arrangement on and provides a Youtube link of the original", or whatever else).
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on July 20, 2016, 09:29:28 AM
I had a really neat idea to go with the voice one, which wouldn't actually have lyrics but just vocalizations. So I'm sticking with that, but I think it'd be better to broaden it to make it a composition that uses the human voice effectively.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Latios212 on July 21, 2016, 05:28:21 AM
Okay, yeah. Someone remind me where we were for the categories and restrictions for each one so we can maybe get a poll up and running soon?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on July 21, 2016, 05:37:45 AM
Here is a list of the current contest ideas. Just to remind everyone.

JAZZ IT UP contest (/collab)
TWO SONG MASH-UP (/collab)
CHRISTMAS VARIATION (/collab)
DUET (collab)
BOSSA NOVA (/collab)
BOSSA NOVA definition
a style of Brazilian music derived from samba but placing more emphasis on melody and less on percussion
[close]
THEME + VARIATIONS (/collab)
GIVE IT LYRICS (/collab)

All with (/collab) means there are two options: collaborated or solo


You mean this?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on July 21, 2016, 06:07:08 AM
Making an etude out of a piece, perhaps?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on July 21, 2016, 08:43:50 AM
I guess that could be added to the list, but I think we should start deciding what idea we're going to take, instead of coming up with more ideas
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on July 21, 2016, 09:25:11 AM
That's fair.

Don't choose mine

Or do

It's chill either way
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 13, 2016, 11:49:25 PM
I've gotten pretty excited for this arrangement contest, so I hope we put up the poll soon!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 14, 2016, 12:15:58 AM
I won't be able to do it now; it was delayed for far too long. :/
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming
Post by: Latios212 on August 14, 2016, 12:22:33 AM
OKAY VOTING IS UP FOR ONE WEEK

if you were that one person who voted before I fixed the poll so that you can choose multiple options be sure to vote again
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: cashwarrior1 on August 16, 2016, 03:25:11 AM
So, is this an original composition arrangement, or an arrangement of video game/any songs?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Latios212 on August 16, 2016, 03:29:29 AM
Arrangement of video game music. (Take a look at past contests.)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 16, 2016, 03:58:59 AM
So, is this an original composition arrangement, or an arrangement of video game/any songs?
Arrangement of video game music. (Take a look at past contests.)

For reference, here are all the other arrangement contests on this website, in order:

My speculation for every poll entry is in the spoiler below:
Spoiler
  • JAZZ IT UP: See insaneintherain's Jazz Challenge (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4inDdccM3aNUU90Q2dEZFczRzA/view?pref=2&pli=1).
  • TWO SONG MASH-UP: IMO, http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=8204.msg330908#msg330908 implies that the two songs in the mash-up must be from different franchises. My take on the clarification is below.
  • CHRISTMAS VARIATION: Imagine that the song is playing during in-game Christmas. Now what should it sound like?
  • DUET: The most likely to require collaboration (i.e. 2 people working on the same contest entry), this requires at least 2 instrument parts.
  • BOSSA NOVA: See Jazz It Up, except it's restricted to bossa nova only this time.
  • THEME + VARIATIONS: See Arrangement Contest #5, perhaps with slight differences this time around.
  • GIVE IT VOCALS/LYRICS: Exactly as it says on the tin. I suspect picking a song that already has lyrics isn't allowed.
Although my first preference is Jazz It Up, if the winner is Two Song Mash-up, both songs must be from different franchises (i.e. you can't pick Mario & Luigi for one song and Mario Kart for the other), and you can't cheat by picking a song twice that's used in at least 2 franchises (i.e. don't pick Jumper twice just because it's in Castle Crashers and Geometry Dash), I have some suggestions if you can't come up with any and you're open-eared. There's also the old standby of picking 2 songs from the same composer.
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Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 16, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
Finally
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Bloop on August 21, 2016, 01:59:49 PM
So it's going to be the two song mash-up.
What do the votes for the collab option say?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Latios212 on August 21, 2016, 04:26:22 PM
Yes! Mash-up will be awesome!

Seems like collab won't be happening this time since fewer than half the people who voted checked that box off.

Also, uh... who's the new host?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Bloop on August 21, 2016, 04:32:47 PM
As of now, Brainy is the only one who mentioned wanting to host this (I think). If he still wants to, I say go ahead!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Latios212 on August 21, 2016, 04:44:00 PM
Okey doke, go ahead Brainy~

Whenever you're ready, make a topic for participant/judge sign-ups!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: InsigTurtle on August 22, 2016, 03:19:43 AM
Two different series, huh. Is it alright to use multiple pieces from both series? And perhaps some extra?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 22, 2016, 03:30:31 AM
Also, does all the musical material have to be derived from the pieces I chose or can I compose original material (for transitions, endings, introductions, etc.) and put it in my entry?

(Don't worry; the pieces I choose will have very prominent roles in my entry...)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: MaestroUGC on August 22, 2016, 03:32:23 AM
Considering I've participated in several of these things and used original material for various purposes in them, I'd argue it'd be fine as long as they don't overshadow or otherwise obscure the main theme(s) you're working with.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Latios212 on August 22, 2016, 03:42:41 AM
This is all up to the new host/judge panel to decide. But I'd suggest sticking mainly to two themes, tossing in original material and references to other tracks as you please so long as, as Maestro said, they don't detract from the focus.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 22, 2016, 03:46:59 AM
Also, what counts as "pieces from two different series"? Example of how messy this can get is below:

And I hope there's a rule against rearranging an existing medley, right? (I don't think a rearrangement of Taiko March (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ2ZFzZJ_zs) is in the spirit of the competition, despite the song already combining themes from Sky Kid, The Tower of Druaga, and Legend of Valkyrie.)

(I have multiple entry ideas involving two songs from very different series that I do not believe share a game; don't worry. I just think too much like a tester sometimes...)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: MaestroUGC on August 22, 2016, 03:52:06 AM
The line can get muddled with multiple games from the same publisher/developer, especially ones that share the same dev team/composer. I'd say the pieces in question should be series exclusive, so as to avoid the line altogether.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: daj on August 22, 2016, 04:41:39 AM
I just realised this thingy existed :D

Oh boy, this is going to be awesome <3
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 8 - Brainstorming *poll*
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 22, 2016, 01:25:59 PM
I'll set up a new topic as soon as I can