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Title: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 08:05:17 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 18, 2015, 07:55:58 AMHonestly for as much love as that series has on this website, I don't think it's out of the question to have a general Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series thread.

So, this can be where we discuss the series as a whole, seeing as a lot of us love these games. Also, if you're going to join me on my quest to play all of the games again, you can post your progress here!

"Friendly friends! Always do your best!"
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on June 18, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
I love this series way too much where do I even start

What's the most difficult dungeon you've completed?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Hero of Trains on June 18, 2015, 09:11:09 AM
I already played all of the games about a month ago, so I probably won't do it again so soon after.

The hardest dungeon I completed... I have no idea. :P

Yoom-tah!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
Well I finally managed to find and pick up a copy of Gates to Infinity. As for the challenge, I started with Blue Rescue Team last night. The quiz decided I would become a Machop, and I decided to have a Treecko for my partner because headcanon dictates it.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on June 18, 2015, 09:58:43 AM
Quote from: Latios212 on June 18, 2015, 08:40:49 AMWhat's the most difficult dungeon you've completed?

We all know hands-down it's:

BURIED RELIC

Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 09:52:49 AMWell I finally managed to find and pick up a copy of Gates to Infinity. As for the challenge, I started with Blue Rescue Team last night. The quiz decided I would become a Machop, and I decided to have a Treecko for my partner because headcanon dictates it.
You're going to love it. Oh, I can't wait to ask you all sorts of questions once you get the juicy parts of the game!!!


In other news, I'm now fully convinced that I will now never finish any of my PMD arranging projects (PMD1 [75 tracks], PMD2+Sky [141 tracks], PMDGtI [110 tracks], and now SuperPMD [super-sized OST no doubt]).

Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 18, 2015, 10:24:42 AM
Fuck Buried Relic! It was cruel to make a dungeon that difficult be so easy to trigger directly after the game's ending, and not being able to advance the story until it's completed.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
FUCK BURIED RELIC OMFG
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 12:43:55 PM
There is now a poll up! Tell us what you became during the first Mystery Dungeon adventure!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 18, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
I vividly remember getting picked as Psyduck my first game, which in retrospect was such a weird choice for a starter.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 01:02:41 PM
So my Game Card got popped out of the DSi last night, so I lost all of my progress on BRT .__. I was already through Mt. Steel! Well, I guess this means I could work backwards and play through Gates first. I decided to become Pikachu with an Axew partner. Right now I'm about to go through Desolate Canyon. The game looks nice and plays pretty well. I especially like the fact that you can go explore outside of the normal dungeon crawling gameplay. Only problem I have with the game so far is that it is extremely slow paced. There's no option for faster text, either, so that compounds the issue.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on June 18, 2015, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 01:02:41 PMI especially like the fact that you can go explore outside of the normal dungeon crawling gameplay.
^^^This is one of my favorite new features to dungeon explorations. Later on there's even puzzles in the "outside" dungeons.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 01:52:57 PM
Wait...you can only take one job at a time? That's kinda silly.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on June 18, 2015, 02:01:15 PM
Spoiler
Am I the only One who didn't have trouble with this? I beat 4 out of the 5 Zero Isles in Explorers but South is just no...

Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 01:52:57 PMWait...you can only take one job at a time? That's kinda silly.
this is why I lost motivation playing missions to obtain the highest rank :/
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 18, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 01:52:57 PMWait...you can only take one job at a time? That's kinda silly.

Yeah, one of the odd flaws about this game. Makes sense for the boss battle area but not for the dungeons. Still is a good game though IMO.

As for the slower text, it didn't really bother me that much, likely because I played Ys Book I and II before starting up GTI for the first time. Ys had REALLY slow text in comparison. Seriously, the ending of part II takes longer than it needs to be because there is a lot of text to have to go through and you can't speed it up. I didn't mind it in GTI that much because at least I loved hearing what everyone had to say and I thought it enriched the experience.

Quote from: Bespinben on June 18, 2015, 09:58:43 AMBURIED RELIC

That dungeon made eight year old me very frustrated. Somehow made it to around floor 89 before breaking the music box and fainting to a stupid monster house. The Lava Area where Entei resides is also very infuriating.

So in terms of a super hard dungeon I actually did complete... I think the Kyogre Dungeon in RRT, because in GTI the AI develops incredibly cheap team skills, (But so can I!) and Explorers had no rewards for completing Zero Isle so I didn't bother.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on June 18, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on June 18, 2015, 02:06:08 PMExplorers had no rewards for completing Zero Isle so I didn't bother.
I can understand some of them not being worth the work but North had a Golden Mask, Wonder Chest, and TWO Wonder Gummis... deeeelicious
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on June 18, 2015, 03:38:51 PM
I've actually recently restarted BRT and EOS on an emulator because I was planning on doing an old 2005 style let's play (with images and shtuff). Currently replaying just to see how much I remember.
I think I got through Destiny Tower once. Not worth.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on June 18, 2015, 05:06:05 PM
Oh, a screen shot let's play? Where would you put it? I've read tons of those on Something Awful/lp archive.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on June 18, 2015, 06:07:08 PM
Maybe in the Creativity Corner over here? I'm not sure if anyone else has done it here, but I guess it's worth a shot?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Dudeman on June 18, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
It would certainly be original. Unlike most of us.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 06:36:36 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on June 18, 2015, 06:20:06 PMIt would certainly be original. Unlike most of us.
*airhorns*
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on June 18, 2015, 08:26:32 PM
Well, if I were to do that...
Which game should I do, which characters, and what names?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on June 18, 2015, 08:53:39 PM
Well, that's for you to decide. It's your LP.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 09:16:52 PM
Today I have learned an important lesson about saving at every opportunity. Now if only the game defaulted to Save and Continue instead of Don't Save...

Restarted GTI as an Axew with an Oshawott partner.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on June 18, 2015, 09:38:14 PM
Whoa, if you were about to enter Desolate Canyon, you'd've been a fair ways into the game. That sucks :/

Also, I think it'd be more fun to let the community make some decisions. Because Wynaut?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 11:36:44 PM
Quote from: InsigTurtle on June 18, 2015, 09:38:14 PMWhoa, if you were about to enter Desolate Canyon, you'd've been a fair ways into the game. That sucks :/

Also, I think it'd be more fun to let the community make some decisions. Because Wynaut?
I'd actually gotten all the way through Inflora Forest. Set my 3DS down for a while, then my Mom pulled the whole, "what are ya playin?" card as she ripped the cartridge out of the system. Lol it's ok though, I've recovered pretty quickly.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on June 19, 2015, 12:48:39 AM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 11:36:44 PMI'd actually gotten all the way through Inflora Forest. Set my 3DS down for a while, then my Mom pulled the whole, "what are ya playin?" card as she ripped the cartridge out of the system. Lol it's ok though, I've recovered pretty quickly.
You got farther than my arranging project...
...dang.

(Gosh I love Inflora Forest music.... speaking of which, I'm sure you probably noted the parallel with rescueing Caterpie's friend Metapod in PMD1 in that mission, hehe)

Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 18, 2015, 09:16:52 PMRestarted GTI as an Axew with an Oshawott partner.
Heh, I was Axew as well!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 19, 2015, 06:25:04 AM
Pff you want a real challenge, choose Snivy and Oshawott or Pikachu. Those Petilil will kill you. Axew is basically a free ticket through the game.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 19, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Keeping Oshawott alive is enough of a challenge lol
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 19, 2015, 08:00:55 AM
Oh my god the AI in this game is beyond stupid. My partner just randomly veered off on his own to fight a horde of enemies and got himself killed immediately, ON THE LAST FLOOR.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 19, 2015, 10:31:50 AM
Friendly reminder that you can change your partner's tactics so they don't do stupid stuff like that, even if it's just a simple switch back after the dungeon
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 19, 2015, 11:23:57 AM
But his tactic is "Let's go together" not "Go after enemies"
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 19, 2015, 11:26:56 AM
Then switch it to "avoid enemies" or whatever that one's called, there are like six or seven different options besides those two.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 19, 2015, 11:36:12 AM
I actually just switched it to "Follow Me" since apparently he'll only go after enemies if they're directly next to him. It's just a pain because the game doesn't stop you from B-dashing while your team members are stuck fighting something, so you can't do anything to stop them.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 19, 2015, 10:25:24 PM
Can't you go on missions by yourself
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 20, 2015, 07:51:33 AM
Not until the post game. You are required to have at least your partner with you all the way through the main game.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 21, 2015, 03:10:12 PM
Double post because I just came up with a timeline for the Mystery Dungeon games, assuming the hero is the same person through each game. Once I get home I'll post it if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 21, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 21, 2015, 03:10:12 PMDouble post because I just came up with a timeline for the Mystery Dungeon games, assuming the hero is the same person through each game. Once I get home I'll post it if anyone's interested.

I doubt the hero would be the same, especially since Explorers seems to be entirely separated from the other games due to the future arc. But if you have an interesting theory then go ahead
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 21, 2015, 04:42:33 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on June 21, 2015, 04:30:52 PMI doubt the hero would be the same, especially since Explorers seems to be entirely separated from the other games due to the future arc. But if you have an interesting theory then go ahead
it's more of a headcanon than anything, considering that it relies on a couple of assumptions, such as the appearance of Grovyle, and a few differences in the human world and the Pokemon world.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 22, 2015, 10:07:19 AM
I actually always get a different Pokemon depending on which questions they ask me
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 22, 2015, 12:44:07 PM
Just finished the main story of Gates to Infinity.

My thoughts?

(http://i.imgur.com/xrNTg7f.png)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 22, 2015, 12:53:27 PM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 22, 2015, 12:44:07 PMJust finished the main story of Gates to Infinity.

My thoughts?

(http://i.imgur.com/xrNTg7f.png)

So you didn't like it?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 22, 2015, 01:04:31 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on June 22, 2015, 12:53:27 PMSo you didn't like it?
Well, I liked it for what it was. It's just not great when compared to the other two games. And that's definitely not nostalgia blindness, since I've been playing Rescue Team and Explorers alongside it and have been having a much better time.

Anyway, yesterday I promised a theory on the timeline of the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series. That was before my internet decided to be down until like 9:30 this morning. Anyway, I'm going to work on it right now and post it if I have it finished to my liking before I go to work in two hours.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 23, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
PMD Timeline Theory: MAJOR SPOILERS FOR ALL GAMES AHEAD!
Alright, let's get this done. I have a theory that all the games in the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series are connected historically, and also that the player is the same human every time. This may be further compounded with some examples in the series (even some you might not expect).
 
So, the way I see it, the timeline goes:
  • Explorers
  • Gates
  • Rescue Team
  • Super (tentatively)
Era #1: Explorers
So our adventure begins here. The world is still fresh and new, and the Pokémon need to go out and explore what's out there. This leads to the creation of exploration teams and guilds, which eventually lead us to the events of Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky. We'll be getting to this later.
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Era #2: Gates
This takes place many years after the events of Explorers. The world has pretty much been completely explored, but now the problem of territorial disputes arises. Tension builds and negativity spreads. Hundreds of species of Pokémon are wiped out (explaining the pitiful lack of Pokémon in Gates to Infinity). The Bittercold begins to slowly destroy the hope of the world, and the Voices of Life must find a way to stop it. This is actually where the player makes their first appearance. Throughout the game, the player is told that other humans were sent to the Pokémon world to stop the Bittercold, but that they are the only one left. When the player finally stops the Bittercold, their role comes to an end and they're sent back to the human world. The partner decides to go to the Hill of Universal Order in an attempt to bring the player back. This is where things get a little interesting. This is the only game in the whole series thus far that gives you the choice of whether or not you want your character to come back to the Pokémon world. The player, knowing that his return to the Pokémon world would cause untold distortions and problems down the line, can either choose to leave entirely, or request that the Voices of Life recreate their Pokémon body in order to ease the partner's heartbreak. After this, the player returns to their normal life.
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Between Gates and Rescue Team
When the player returns, he notices that virtually no time has passed since he left. (This can also be evidenced in the PMD manga, "Ginji's Rescue Team," where the main character, Ginji, returns to the human world within one night after being in the Pokémon world seemingly for many months.) After spending some time in the human world again, the player is contacted by another Voice of Life: Gardevoir. She tells them that the world of Pokémon is in trouble once more and asks for their help based on their success against the Bittercold. The player agrees, but asks that their memories be erased, so as to "clear both heart and mind." This is most likely due to the player not wanting their emotions towards their former team in Gates getting in the way of their mission.
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Era #3: Rescue Team
When the player returns to the Pokémon world, many years have passed since the Bittercold was destroyed. Peace was gradually restored to the world, and many more species returned from extinction. The world has been almost completely explored, and the exploration teams of days past have been reformed into rescue teams. The player wakes up without any memory, and finds another partner to help them on their journey. Near the end of the journey, it is revealed that the player was sent to save the world from a falling star set to crash into the planet. This could be due to the power of the Bittercold in Gates, which could distort gravity in its most powerful form. This caused a shift in the polarity of the planet, which lined it up with the falling star in Rescue Team. The other natural disasters were caused by Gengar, the human from the Ninetails Legend. The player is once again victorious, and is sent back to the human world, with the Voices of Life once again providing a proxy body for his friends.
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After Rescue Team
This is where things really start to go wild. There is a significant branch in the timeline after the events of the Rescue Team games, and it all hinges on the partner, believe it or not.
Outcome #1
This is the more likely of the two outcomes. If the partner in Rescue Team is any Pokémon besides Treecko, then the timeline continues to Super Mystery Dungeon. The amount of Pokémon species skyrockets, and the majority of the world is accessible. The events of Super Mystery Dungeon take place. (Since the game isn't out yet, I'm unable to go into specifics. I may even have to change its spot in the timeline based on the plot, but this seems like the best place to put it for now.)
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Outcome #2
If the partner is Treecko, the timeline heads into the ruined future of Explorers. The human is asked by Gardevoir to come back to the Pokémon world and help investigate the disappearance of the Time Gears in a far-off, forgotten land. They do this, but this time they return in human form, since their proxy Pokémon body is still alive. Due to the distortion of spacetime in allowing a human to travel to the Pokémon world in human form, the player acquires an ability that would otherwise be impossible to possess: the Dimensional Scream. The player finds Treecko, who has since evolved into Grovyle, and proves his identity by showing him one of their Rescue Badges (this can again be supplemented by "Ginji's Rescue Team," in which Ginji is shown to have his Rescue Badge when he returns to the human world). The player and partner team up once more to stop the planet's paralysis, but they ultimately fail. In a last ditch effort, they team up with Celebi to travel to the distant past using the Passage of Time in order to return the Time Gears to the Temporal Tower and restore their future. However, when they get through the Passage, Darkrai attacks them, causing the player to transform into a Pokémon and lose their memories once again. The events of Explorers take place.
Era #1: Explorers
The player wakes up and finds the partner, whom they form an exploration team with. Eventually, they learn that someone is going around stealing the Time Gears and causing the planet's paralysis. It is soon discovered to be none other than Grovyle. The player and partner team up with Dusknoir and apprehend Grovyle, but Dusknoir betrays them and drags them into the future. Grovyle eventually tells them that he lost his partner when they travelled back in time to get the Time Gears. He also mentions that his partner was a human and that they possessed the Dimensional Scream. The player and Grovyle are finally reunited. Along with the partner from Explorers, they travel to the Hidden Land and return the Time Gears, stopping Dusknoir and Primal Dialga along the way. The player then disappears due to the future being corrected, and WE HAVE A PARADOX LADIES AND GENTLEMEN Dialga sees fit to bring the player back. The player and Explorers partner graduate from Wigglytuff's guild and begin more exploration work. Eventually they come into conflict with Darkrai, who caused the player's memory loss and transformation at the beginning of Explorers' adventure. After defeating him, the player decides that he must return to the human world. He leaves his Pokémon body behind again,and has Dialga and Palkia return him as a human to his own time.
Side Note/Easter Egg?
In Blue/Red Rescue team, Alakazam makes mention of a legendary rescuer/explorer named Lucario. The highest rescue rank you can achieve is also the Lucario rank. If you played as a Riolu in Explorers of Sky, this is very likely to be your character!
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SO. That's the gist of my theory. Now let's tackle some issues. Let me know what you think and we can hopefully iron out some of the inconsistencies!
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 24, 2015, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 22, 2015, 01:04:31 PMWell, I liked it for what it was. It's just not great when compared to the other two games. And that's definitely not nostalgia blindness, since I've been playing Rescue Team and Explorers alongside it and have been having a much better time.

Fair enough. You gave it a fair chance so that's fine with me.

Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 23, 2015, 09:57:06 PM
PMD Timeline Theory: MAJOR SPOILERS FOR ALL GAMES AHEAD!
Alright, let's get this done. I have a theory that all the games in the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series are connected historically, and also that the player is the same human every time. This may be further compounded with some examples in the series (even some you might not expect).
 
So, the way I see it, the timeline goes:
  • Explorers
  • Gates
  • Rescue Team
  • Super (tentatively)
Era #1: Explorers
So our adventure begins here. The world is still fresh and new, and the Pokémon need to go out and explore what's out there. This leads to the creation of exploration teams and guilds, which eventually lead us to the events of Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky. We'll be getting to this later.
[close]
Era #2: Gates
This takes place many years after the events of Explorers. The world has pretty much been completely explored, but now the problem of territorial disputes arises. Tension builds and negativity spreads. Hundreds of species of Pokémon are wiped out (explaining the pitiful lack of Pokémon in Gates to Infinity). The Bittercold begins to slowly destroy the hope of the world, and the Voices of Life must find a way to stop it. This is actually where the player makes their first appearance. Throughout the game, the player is told that other humans were sent to the Pokémon world to stop the Bittercold, but that they are the only one left. When the player finally stops the Bittercold, their role comes to an end and they're sent back to the human world. The partner decides to go to the Hill of Universal Order in an attempt to bring the player back. This is where things get a little interesting. This is the only game in the whole series thus far that gives you the choice of whether or not you want your character to come back to the Pokémon world. The player, knowing that his return to the Pokémon world would cause untold distortions and problems down the line, can either choose to leave entirely, or request that the Voices of Life recreate their Pokémon body in order to ease the partner's heartbreak. After this, the player returns to their normal life.
[close]
Between Gates and Rescue Team
When the player returns, he notices that virtually no time has passed since he left. (This can also be evidenced in the PMD manga, "Ginji's Rescue Team," where the main character, Ginji, returns to the human world within one night after being in the Pokémon world seemingly for many months.) After spending some time in the human world again, the player is contacted by another Voice of Life: Gardevoir. She tells them that the world of Pokémon is in trouble once more and asks for their help based on their success against the Bittercold. The player agrees, but asks that their memories be erased, so as to "clear both heart and mind." This is most likely due to the player not wanting their emotions towards their former team in Gates getting in the way of their mission.
[close]
Era #3: Rescue Team
When the player returns to the Pokémon world, many years have passed since the Bittercold was destroyed. Peace was gradually restored to the world, and many more species returned from extinction. The world has been almost completely explored, and the exploration teams of days past have been reformed into rescue teams. The player wakes up without any memory, and finds another partner to help them on their journey. Near the end of the journey, it is revealed that the player was sent to save the world from a falling star set to crash into the planet. This could be due to the power of the Bittercold in Gates, which could distort gravity in its most powerful form. This caused a shift in the polarity of the planet, which lined it up with the falling star in Rescue Team. The other natural disasters were caused by Gengar, the human from the Ninetails Legend. The player is once again victorious, and is sent back to the human world, with the Voices of Life once again providing a proxy body for his friends.
[close]
After Rescue Team
This is where things really start to go wild. There is a significant branch in the timeline after the events of the Rescue Team games, and it all hinges on the partner, believe it or not.
Outcome #1
This is the more likely of the two outcomes. If the partner in Rescue Team is any Pokémon besides Treecko, then the timeline continues to Super Mystery Dungeon. The amount of Pokémon species skyrockets, and the majority of the world is accessible. The events of Super Mystery Dungeon take place. (Since the game isn't out yet, I'm unable to go into specifics. I may even have to change its spot in the timeline based on the plot, but this seems like the best place to put it for now.)
[close]
Outcome #2
If the partner is Treecko, the timeline heads into the ruined future of Explorers. The human is asked by Gardevoir to come back to the Pokémon world and help investigate the disappearance of the Time Gears in a far-off, forgotten land. They do this, but this time they return in human form, since their proxy Pokémon body is still alive. Due to the distortion of spacetime in allowing a human to travel to the Pokémon world in human form, the player acquires an ability that would otherwise be impossible to possess: the Dimensional Scream. The player finds Treecko, who has since evolved into Grovyle, and proves his identity by showing him one of their Rescue Badges (this can again be supplemented by "Ginji's Rescue Team," in which Ginji is shown to have his Rescue Badge when he returns to the human world). The player and partner team up once more to stop the planet's paralysis, but they ultimately fail. In a last ditch effort, they team up with Celebi to travel to the distant past using the Passage of Time in order to return the Time Gears to the Temporal Tower and restore their future. However, when they get through the Passage, Darkrai attacks them, causing the player to transform into a Pokémon and lose their memories once again. The events of Explorers take place.
Era #1: Explorers
The player wakes up and finds the partner, whom they form an exploration team with. Eventually, they learn that someone is going around stealing the Time Gears and causing the planet's paralysis. It is soon discovered to be none other than Grovyle. The player and partner team up with Dusknoir and apprehend Grovyle, but Dusknoir betrays them and drags them into the future. Grovyle eventually tells them that he lost his partner when they travelled back in time to get the Time Gears. He also mentions that his partner was a human and that they possessed the Dimensional Scream. The player and Grovyle are finally reunited. Along with the partner from Explorers, they travel to the Hidden Land and return the Time Gears, stopping Dusknoir and Primal Dialga along the way. The player then disappears due to the future being corrected, and WE HAVE A PARADOX LADIES AND GENTLEMEN Dialga sees fit to bring the player back. The player and Explorers partner graduate from Wigglytuff's guild and begin more exploration work. Eventually they come into conflict with Darkrai, who caused the player's memory loss and transformation at the beginning of Explorers' adventure. After defeating him, the player decides that he must return to the human world. He leaves his Pokémon body behind again,and has Dialga and Palkia return him as a human to his own time.
Side Note/Easter Egg?
In Blue/Red Rescue team, Alakazam makes mention of a legendary rescuer/explorer named Lucario. The highest rescue rank you can achieve is also the Lucario rank. If you played as a Riolu in Explorers of Sky, this is very likely to be your character!
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SO. That's the gist of my theory. Now let's tackle some issues. Let me know what you think and we can hopefully iron out some of the inconsistencies!
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The Gates to Rescue team idea does make some sense now that I think about it, but my biggest question about this theory is the PSMD role.

Spoiler
From the treehouse live, it strongly indicates you and your partner are children in PSMD. Yet in the PMD2 manga it's pretty much confirmed that the human is a teen and in rescue team the words you use in the story seem to indicate you would be as knowledgeable as a teenager at least, so unless PSMD takes place immediately after RRT/BRT and the human was a kid all along, how would that work if he's a kid now, unless it happens to take place inbetween Explorers and GTI instead?
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 24, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on June 24, 2015, 01:02:11 PMThe Gates to Rescue team idea does make some sense now that I think about it, but my biggest question about this theory is the PSMD role.

Spoiler
From the treehouse live, it strongly indicates you and your partner are children in PSMD. Yet in the PMD2 manga it's pretty much confirmed that the human is a teen and in rescue team the words you use in the story seem to indicate you would be as knowledgeable as a teenager at least, so unless PSMD takes place immediately after RRT/BRT and the human was a kid all along, how would that work if he's a kid now, unless it happens to take place inbetween Explorers and GTI instead?
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Haven't seen the treehouse yet to avoid as much of the game as I can. However, I think it could be still plausible. As I said, time moves faster in the Pokémon world compared to the human world a la Narnia. We're not sure how long it is between the ending of Rescue Team and the future of Explorers, nor do we know how long the player fights with Grovyle in the future. However, we can assume that he would still be younger by the time PSMD begins.
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 24, 2015, 03:25:06 PM
I thought grovyle was your pokemon in the real world, who came with you
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 24, 2015, 03:28:15 PM
Don't think that was ever established?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 24, 2015, 04:03:34 PM
fairly sure it said so in the game, where else would I have gotten it  from
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 24, 2015, 04:16:19 PM
where at? I've played those games several times and have never even heard mention of the player being Grovyle's trainer, only that they were "partners."
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 24, 2015, 07:26:11 PM
I haven't played it for like 3 years, but generally when I'm thinking something I've gotten it from somewhere
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 24, 2015, 10:13:41 PM
Hmm...I've been playing through the game again recently, so I'll let you know if that comes up anywhere. I'm fairly certain that their relationship is only referred to as a partnership.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bubbles on June 24, 2015, 10:50:14 PM
Grovyle was definitely the human-you's partner, but idk if it was in the human world or not. From what I remember you were a human in the destroyed future and when you went back in time you became the Pokemon.

Actually, is there even a human world in Time/Darkness/Sky? I thought you were just a lone human living in the future or something. You disappeared because your future disappeared, not because you returned to your other world like the other games. That would explain how Grovyle was a partner and not a caught Pokemon because the entire concept wouldn't have existed if humans weren't all over the earth
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 24, 2015, 11:23:39 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on June 24, 2015, 10:50:14 PMGrovyle was definitely the human-you's partner, but idk if it was in the human world or not. From what I remember you were a human in the destroyed future and when you went back in time you became the Pokemon.

Actually, is there even a human world in Time/Darkness/Sky? I thought you were just a lone human living in the future or something. You disappeared because your future disappeared, not because you returned to your other world like the other games. That would explain how Grovyle was a partner and not a caught Pokemon because the entire concept wouldn't have existed if humans weren't all over the earth
See that's the thing. We don't know that there isn't a human world in Explorers. All we're told at the end is that the player and Grovyle will "disappear" once the future is corrected. And even then, in one of those special episodes in Sky I'm pretty sure that Grovyle, Celebi, and Dusknoir end up not disappearing and time just starts back up again. Besides, having a single human living in a world of entirely Pokémon is a little strange, isn't it?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2015, 06:18:20 AM
Grovyle was 100% the Pokémon partner of you, a human. It said so in game multiple times.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 27, 2015, 08:53:34 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2015, 06:18:20 AMGrovyle was 100% the Pokémon partner of you, a human. It said so in game multiple times.
Yeah, I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm saying that "partner" could mean that they were on a team at one point. Nocturne made it seem like the relationship was Trainer/Pokemon.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2015, 10:38:29 AM
Errr that was the implied relationship tho, Trainers are supposed to have bonds with their Pokémon like that
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 27, 2015, 10:46:41 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2015, 10:38:29 AMErrr that was the implied relationship tho, Trainers are supposed to have bonds with their Pokémon like that
well, that's true, but if they wanted the player to be a Trainer, then they could've said that they were Grovyle's Trainer, not their partner. Gardevoir referred to Gengar as her Trainer.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on June 27, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
The term "Trainer" brings with it a whole bandwagon of Poké-cultural implications -- battling, training, tournaments, gyms, etc. -- all of which are foreign concepts to the Mystery Dungeon universe. If anything, the closest analogue would be akin to the types of relationships that Pokémon Rangers forged with Pokémon, except on a more long-term basis.

Gengar is a bit of an enigma, but since he is formerly a human as well from the Main Series universe, it would make sense he (and Gardevoir) would be acquainted with such Poké-cultural things belonging to the Main Series.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 27, 2015, 10:46:41 AMwell, that's true, but if they wanted the player to be a Trainer, then they could've said that they were Grovyle's Trainer, not their partner. Gardevoir referred to Gengar as her Trainer.

Ohhhhh that's true, I forgot about that.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on June 29, 2015, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 22, 2015, 12:44:07 PMJust finished the main story of Gates to Infinity.

My thoughts?

(http://i.imgur.com/xrNTg7f.png)
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 22, 2015, 01:04:31 PMWell, I liked it for what it was. It's just not great when compared to the other two games. And that's definitely not nostalgia blindness, since I've been playing Rescue Team and Explorers alongside it and have been having a much better time.
I guess I just felt like responding now, lol.

If we're going to make a comparison between the games, I think it would be fair to address specifics. Sure, there's the slow text speed, minimal starter selection, yadayadayada-- all true points, but are ultimately insubstantial cosmetics. What about the plot? the character development? the themes? the atmosphere?

I'm not addressing K-NiGhT specifically with the following breakdown, but I'd like to address maybe at least one common complaint about the meat of Gates - "it's not as dark as Explorers". On the contrary, I believe Gates actually was darker than Explorers in regards to the themes they touch upon. I think most of us would agree that Explorers had the overall more engaging story throughout, but despite the atmosphere of the bad future and actions such as Dusknoir's betrayal and Grovyle's sacrifice, it was all fairly standard heroic fare. You have your heroes and you have your villains, and you struggle to overcome challenges to eventually defeat the latter.

Gates, on the other hand, had heroes and victims - victims of circumstance or wrongdoing that resulted in a deeply cynical worldview. While the story itself lacked something truly tying it all together until the last third of the game (resulting in a lot of dismayed PMD fans giving up before making it to that tipping point [which I'd argue is the Munna-revelation/Hydreigon arc]), Gates treads on more down-to-earth, negative emotional themes. Throughout the game you have Pokemon who have become disillusioned with their pursuits, starting with the Gurdurr crew and continuing on to include Munna's gang and their intention to effectively perform a group suicide. These are issues of genuine negativity that can't be solved by only going up to someone and beating them up. Even the (brief) postgame looks at your partner questioning the value of your victory after losing you.

Gates was dark because it looked more deeply into emotional wounds and negativity. It may not have been anything nearly as grand as saving the world from a post-apocalyptic future, but the willingness to explore ideas of depression and suicide - in a Pokemon game, no less - makes Gates one of the darkest ones in the series. These are genuine inner demons that many people have struggled with. My impression is that Gates is less about defeating villains than about convincing others that life is still worth living.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 29, 2015, 11:58:13 AM
I agree that the story was fantastic. The problem I had with it was the lack of playable pokemon and the watering down of the gameplay.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on June 29, 2015, 08:55:55 PM
Just something I didn't notice until now:
Sky Tower Summit and Chasm Cave have very similar dungeon generation (those lines of rooms with straight corridors and that little network of rooms)
Both have Pokémon around the same level.
Going up against Rayquaza soon, but just decided to post this because I thought it was pretty neat.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on June 30, 2015, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 29, 2015, 11:58:13 AMI agree that the story was fantastic. The problem I had with it was the lack of playable pokemon and the watering down of the gameplay.

Ah! Interesting. We pretty much agree about everything already then. Music and story -- supreme; gameplay -- meh (though Paradise building was pretty fun!). I guess the difference is how much value we attribute to each of these criterion. Perhaps the gameplay defects didn't bother me so much because I didn't expect them to be good in the first place. The dungeon crawling genre has never really appealed to me, PMD being the exception. I would probably never pick up Etrian Mystery Dungeon, for example.

Super Mystery Dungeon though seems to provide a vast OVERWORLD experience, something that I always felt was needed in any Mystery Dungeon genre game. That's definitely a big plus on the Gameplay ranking.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 30, 2015, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 29, 2015, 11:58:13 AMI agree that the story was fantastic. The problem I had with it was the lack of playable pokemon and the watering down of the gameplay.

 I don't think things like the removal of level 1 escorts in a huge dungeon is watering down. Does anyone even remember how awful those were in the older games? My only problems with the changes were the fact that you could only do one job at a time and how overpowered your team can be if you give them a ton of upgrades. It's your opinion, of course but the other games didn't have the best balance either... Those were insanely hard post game while GTI Is insanely easy. Hopefully PSMD will be in the middle

Speaking of the OST/Story... I've always felt that PMD GTI had an instance of a music similarity.

Spoiler
Song for when Hydreigon saves the partner. Very epic theme, but I felt that it reminded me of something.

I was listening to Fire Emblem music later on... And I found that one particular song was very similar to the theme from GTI, to the point that the first few notes are essentially the exact same.


This made me wonder if GTI did some sampling for it's OST, or if it's a really freaky coincidence. Still an interesting thought nonetheless. Wonder if there's anything like this for the other games?
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on June 30, 2015, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on June 30, 2015, 11:38:43 AMSpeaking of the OST/Story... I've always felt that PMD GTI had an instance of a music similarity.

Spoiler
Song for when Hydreigon saves the partner. Very epic theme, but I felt that it reminded me of something.

I was listening to Fire Emblem music later on... And I found that one particular song was very similar to the theme from GTI, to the point that the first few notes are essentially the exact same.


This made me wonder if GTI did some sampling for it's OST, or if it's a really freaky coincidence. Still an interesting thought nonetheless. Wonder if there's anything like this for the other games?
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Oh that's a really good catch! The 4-measure intros of both definitely use the exact same rhythmic and melodic figure: the 3+3+3+3+2+2 syncopation pattern, along with the stepwise diatonic melodic ascension. The harmony is slightly different though: GtI's "Holehills" is based on a pedal tone with the melody chords planning upwards in parallel motion, whereas the Fire Emblem piece has a moving bass with distinct chords for each of the 4 measures.

Sure glad we all have the same odd hobby for noticing stuff like this.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on June 30, 2015, 07:33:39 PM
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag335/Altissimo1/IMG_0809_zpsf5aabmfx.jpg)
sup

Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky is my favorite Pokémon game and one of my favorite all-time games and I can never talk about my favorite games without stressing how much I love this series and especially its damn music. When I was in like middle/high school, before I found out that this site existed, I'd create my own "arrangements" (really just the melody lines because I was a trumpet player and the only thing I could do were melody lines) of video game music, and it was always either Kirby or Mystery Dungeon stuff. I don't think I've ever played a game where the music fits the atmosphere as well as it does in the Mystery Dungeon games. (For contrast, I consider the music of my favorite video game of all time, Super Mario 64, really unremarkable except for the credits theme.)

Still haven't played Gates to Infinity though.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 30, 2015, 07:38:27 PM
Whoa now you're gonna have to explain why the Super Mario 64 music is unmemorable. I think that game's got incredible atmosphere-setting scores throughout.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on June 30, 2015, 07:40:33 PM
I think it's the fact that they're reused, more than anything else. Like, yeah, the slide/Tick-Tock Clock/Rainbow Ride theme is a lot of fun but it just doesn't seem right to have it reused for every one of those courses. (Especially Rainbow Ride, which I picture as having something a bit softer in character.) I guess songs just don't catch my ear as much when they're used multiple times? Or maybe Mystery Dungeon and its every-dungeon-has-a-different-track music just spoiled me, heh.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 30, 2015, 07:45:35 PM
That's fair, and there are definitely more interesting compositions in the latter. Super Mario 64 's soundtrack is by no means bad or even anything less than good though.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on July 03, 2015, 07:08:43 PM

I can't understand a single word... why am I getting 5+ notifications of Pokemon uploading 5 PMD videos???
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on July 03, 2015, 07:32:25 PM
Oh, they just re-released the PMD anime specials on the Japanese Youtube channel and two commercials. That makes sense, I guess, adding to the hype.

About one of the commercials - that one with the guys in the costumes actually slightly freaks me out. It... doesn't look right.
Also, I really like the orchestral remix of that motif in A Wish for Peace and Through the Sea of Time at the end of the video you linked.

Which makes me wonder. Seeing as the old continents are supposed to be in the new game, will the music there be the original, or remixes? Which one would you prefer?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on July 03, 2015, 07:34:22 PM
The costumes... LOL
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on July 03, 2015, 09:28:09 PM

We meet again. The reunion has come early. This special was the first step in what would introduce me to a game that would change my life. It was horribly cheesy, yes. It had awful music, yes. (Though it seems in this version it has beautiful rearrangements of RRT/BRT's OST!),  but when I saw it on September 9th I just could tell it would be exciting. I was about to go to bed at the age of eight, at around 8 PM or so when I noticed the rerun of this special was on. I quickly shoved a VCR into the TV and recorded it, along with everything else that night up until 11 PM. I still have the tape to this day.

On September 20th, 2006 I bought RRT at my Gamestop. The rest was history!

(Am I the only one that noticed the strange logo on the bottom right? I can't read it, it's not in Hiragana but I wonder what it is.)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on July 03, 2015, 09:34:35 PM
Do you mean the annotation that links to the Youtube channel or the one on the video itself?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on July 03, 2015, 10:07:27 PM
My long and arduous search for the original Japanese version of the "Team Go-Getters" anime special has now finally received closure... man was this great! I could actually take the proceedings seriously, unlike the horribly cheesy English dub. Charmander doesn't sound like a derp, and the whole scene with Team Meanies trapping Pichu inside the dungeon was pretty dark (no wonder they cut it out of the English!).

And of course, I'm just glad the BGM is actually audible. I really don't know why they turn the volume so low on the beautiful orchestrations in the Pokemon English dubs in general.

This isn't weaboo talk by any means. I just know good production quality when I see it. There's a difference between being a character and being in character, and the original satisfies the latter thankfully.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 04, 2015, 05:26:16 AM
Here's a question, Bespinben, do you know of the location of an English sub/dub of the Explorers of Sky special? My friend and I endeavored for a while to find it with no success :(
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on July 04, 2015, 06:34:21 AM
Quote from: Altissimo on July 04, 2015, 05:26:16 AMHere's a question, Bespinben, do you know of the location of an English sub/dub of the Explorers of Sky special? My friend and I endeavored for a while to find it with no success :(
to my knowledge, the Pokemon YouTube is the only place to find the specials anymore, and that's the Japanese dub.

Also I haven't gotten the chance to say this yet, but welcome! I see you got my message on the Nuzlocke Forums.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on July 04, 2015, 07:51:17 AM
Quote from: Altissimo on July 04, 2015, 05:26:16 AMHere's a question, Bespinben, do you know of the location of an English sub/dub of the Explorers of Sky special? My friend and I endeavored for a while to find it with no success :(

They released it on a limited edition DVD that came with preorders of sky. I recommend checking Ebay for whenever it pops up. The EOT/EOD special shows up from time to time as well, which came with a limited edition DS Lite. However, Team Go-Getters is EXTREMELY rare, only being available as a DVD through Walmart preorders. I still don't have a copy of that DVD. All are region 1 only. Hope this helped!

Quote from: Bespinben on July 03, 2015, 10:07:27 PMMy long and arduous search for the original Japanese version of the "Team Go-Getters" anime special has now finally received closure... man was this great! I could actually take the proceedings seriously, unlike the horribly cheesy English dub. Charmander doesn't sound like a derp, and the whole scene with Team Meanies trapping Pichu inside the dungeon was pretty dark (no wonder they cut it out of the English!).

Fun fact: The special was in America first before it was dubbed to Japanese, since it was commissioned by Pokemon USA to promote the release in America, It didn't come over to Japan until 2007, so they likely had time to improve it then. Believe it or not the cave scene is in the USA version as well.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on July 04, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Quote from: Altissimo on July 04, 2015, 05:26:16 AMHere's a question, Bespinben, do you know of the location of an English sub/dub of the Explorers of Sky special? My friend and I endeavored for a while to find it with no success :(

This one is tough to find, but not terribly difficult -- you just have to be willing to dig through some of those grungy off-beat "watch anime" sites:

http://videos.bol.uol.com.br/#view/pokemon-mystery-dungeon--explorers-of-sky--beyond-time-amp-darkness-0402CC98336AD8995326

(this one is actually one of the most solid English uploads I've seen in a long time lol)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 04, 2015, 12:39:39 PM
YESSSS thank you Bespinben!! We spent like half an hour digging through fruitless Google searches to find it with no success. We're both huge fans of Explorers of Sky so this is super exciting!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on July 07, 2015, 06:48:53 PM
Well unfortunately it seems my hopes for a PMD VC release on Friday are crushed. Other VC games are set to launch this week which means we won't be getting a sudden game release... I can at least hope for the future, or at least 3DS themes based off of older games in the series! Gah, I just really wish I could find the twitter account for SOMEONE from the PMD dev team to express our hopes. How do the Japanese give feedback to the developers, I wonder?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on July 10, 2015, 08:52:05 PM
Oh my god... just finished explorers for the second times today... and I bawled. Holy fuck.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 10, 2015, 09:01:07 PM
So my starter in MD1 was Pikachu. Even now I use a Pikachu character to denote my self as a Pokémon... culminating in commissioning art (http://chibi-pika.deviantart.com/art/Trumpet-Pika-545315345) of me!Pikachu :p

Also, I'm currently replaying Sky to create a textdump of the game's dialogue, as preparation for a fanfic adaptation I'm going to write. If anyone is interested in my textdump (I've beaten Dialga and am making my way through the postgame), I can send you part or all of it :p
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on July 11, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
Actually, that textdump might be handy if it's just game scripture. I like making headcanons/interpretations/etc. and having a script ready would be very neat.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 11, 2015, 09:04:50 PM
In addition to the script, it also contains little notes about characters' movements here and there because it's the basis for fanfic so I want to really know what everyone's doing :p
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on July 11, 2015, 11:18:06 PM
Oooh, very nice.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on July 17, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
All PMD remixes should be heavy metal now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UIfEWwmcIQ
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Hero of Trains on July 20, 2015, 05:52:59 PM
Oh wow, that's really good! I have to say though, if that was how Sky Tower sounded in the game, nine-year-old me would probably have thrown her DS across the room!

Also, Altissimo, do you think I could have that script? I want to be able to quote another game besides Kid Icarus Uprising at will.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 20, 2015, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: Hero of Trains on July 20, 2015, 05:52:59 PMOh wow, that's really good! I have to say though, if that was how Sky Tower sounded in the game, nine-year-old me would probably have thrown her DS across the room!

Also, Altissimo, do you think I could have that script? I want to be able to quote another game besides Kid Icarus Uprising at will.

I'm pretty close to being done with the whole thing - just started the Cresselia-nightmare arc. I will post when I'm thoroughly done so everyone who wants it can bother me for it :p but yeah, I don't mind handing it out at all!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on July 23, 2015, 03:53:05 AM
I have and will always be thoroughly outclassed by the PMD Piano skills of Threelines3
(The dude rarely ever uploads, but boy, when he does, he DOES)

Based off of the track "Withered Savanna"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwWF-qT_Xe0
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 23, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
Finished my Explorers of Sky script. It's nearly 400 pages on Word so I'm not sure what the best way to distribute it to the interested members here is. Any ideas?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Hero of Trains on July 23, 2015, 12:05:44 PM
Dropbox, maybe?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on July 23, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
Always Dropbox.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 23, 2015, 12:52:56 PM
Sounds about right. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9nxwnyq65lo48a/Explorers%20of%20Sky%20Script%20%28game%20%2B%20special%20episode%205%29.docx?dl=0)

Pretty raw and perhaps a bit confusing to navigate, but since this was a reference for a fanfic I wanted to include a little more than just the pure script. I can probably make a condensed version if the extraneous descriptors are too much... and anyone wants me to trim it down. (Not doing it voluntarily.)

Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Hero of Trains on July 23, 2015, 01:09:32 PM
It's great! Now I just have to go in here, and change all the nicknames, and... there! Now I can't read it because I'll cry! (Coincidentally, I'm listening to Don't Ever Forget... maybe that has something to do with it?)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on July 23, 2015, 01:10:35 PM
WHOA. That's a lot of text. Nice work! :D

Time to print! *grabs trees*
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 23, 2015, 01:25:19 PM
Have fun :p now I get to go collapse because I was up til 5:30 finishing it up, hehe
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: AwesomeYears on July 23, 2015, 02:56:25 PM
386 pages?!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on July 23, 2015, 03:05:23 PM
You could upload the full text on pastebin. I don't think pastebin has a word limit.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on August 01, 2015, 12:06:59 PM
Remember a month ago how the Japanese Pokémon youtube channel uploaded re-runs of the PMD anime specials?

Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on July 03, 2015, 09:28:09 PM
Spoiler

We meet again. The reunion has come early. This special was the first step in what would introduce me to a game that would change my life. It was horribly cheesy, yes. It had awful music, yes. (Though it seems in this version it has beautiful rearrangements of RRT/BRT's OST!),  but when I saw it on September 9th I just could tell it would be exciting. I was about to go to bed at the age of eight, at around 8 PM or so when I noticed the rerun of this special was on. I quickly shoved a VCR into the TV and recorded it, along with everything else that night up until 11 PM. I still have the tape to this day.

On September 20th, 2006 I bought RRT at my Gamestop. The rest was history!

(Am I the only one that noticed the strange logo on the bottom right? I can't read it, it's not in Hiragana but I wonder what it is.)
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I decided to work some audio magic and see if I could strip most of the voice-overs and sound effects out of the audio, and thereafter created a playlist of all the game-inspired orchestrations!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX5pL2sAQds

(I'm pretty sure no one has tried doing this before, so yaaaay)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on August 01, 2015, 02:23:31 PM
Quote from: Bespinben on August 01, 2015, 12:06:59 PMRemember a month ago how the Japanese Pokémon youtube channel uploaded re-runs of the PMD anime specials?

I decided to work some audio magic and see if I could strip most of the voice-overs and sound effects out of the audio, and thereafter created a playlist of all the game-inspired orchestrations!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX5pL2sAQds

(I'm pretty sure no one has tried doing this before, so yaaaay)

My PM inbox started to lag on me so I'll just state my thoughts here. First off, Yay! Glad you got those lovely songs separated. It's not in the best quality by a long shot, of course due to the heavy VA, but still good for a first attempt nonetheless. Maybe with some cleanup and fixing of the instruments it could sound even better!

(in other news, I can't believe I haven't been on this thread for a while. I need to stop being so busy with my PMD Retrospective...)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on August 08, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
The one and only on the internet! Make way!
(Man, does editing everything take forever...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szsOuUCr2Zw

i cri evrytiem @ 21:28
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on August 10, 2015, 09:37:45 AM
Quote from: Bespinben on August 08, 2015, 06:41:45 PMThe one and only on the internet! Make way!
(Man, does editing everything take forever...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szsOuUCr2Zw

i cri evrytiem @ 21:28

It may not be perfect but it is an improvement over the first OST you put together! Despite not being a big fan of Explorers I still think some songs in this are awesome, like Mount Horn and Hand of Fate (The latter sounding like a Ys IV cutscene with the echoing voice in the background)

I also like how Chimchar's Japanese voice is Inuyasha due to how that show was amazing for me growing up even in my darkest hours
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on August 11, 2015, 04:25:49 AM
just wondering has anyone started a blizzard island piano orange mint? i've started a bit of it, but if it's like a medley thing i wonder if anyone wants to do a collab on it? if not, i'kk work on my thing. unless someone else wants to finish theirs.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on August 11, 2015, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: InsigTurtle on August 11, 2015, 04:25:49 AMhas anyone started a blizzard island piano orange mint?
saving for posterity
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on August 26, 2015, 01:40:31 AM
The song "Orbit" by EDM Artist WRLD uses PMD1 soundfonts at 3:24 in the following video:

https://youtu.be/dpciZ0D-Hhc?t=3m24s

Glad to see such a criminally unknown series got some relatively mainstream attention for once.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 26, 2015, 05:44:22 AM
To be fair, those soundfonts aren't exclusive to PMD. That's still cool though.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Waddle Bro on August 26, 2015, 07:47:26 AM
Yaas WRLD the EP he just delivered was bomb, though WRLD sure as fuck ain't mainstream, also that song is so olddd

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 26, 2015, 05:44:22 AMTo be fair, those soundfonts aren't exclusive to PMD. That's still cool though.
this so much, he didn't even use the original soundfont for the alt lead at the end
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on August 29, 2015, 11:34:45 AM
I think my new avatar speaks for itself about my love of PMD...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on September 01, 2015, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Pianist Da Sootopolis on August 29, 2015, 11:34:45 AMI think my new avatar speaks for itself about my love of PMD...
Praise the magic Apple! Ulululululu!


In honor of the fact that the Japanese release date of SuperPMD and the US release date of Blue Rescue Team 9 years ago ARE THE SAME (Sept. 17 vs Sept. 18), anyone remember THIS website?

http://pokemonmysterydungeon.nintendo.com.au/

Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 01, 2015, 09:21:21 PM
my god yes
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on September 03, 2015, 11:10:37 PM
So, I was planning on making a twitter bot that randomly tweets quotes from pmd2. If any of y'all have any favourite quote, pls post them here.

edit: max length 140 characters
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on September 04, 2015, 08:28:26 AM
"Up and at 'em!  It's morning!"
                                   -Loudred
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 05, 2015, 11:26:54 AM
finally updated the poll! I think the majority on the last one was Mudkip, so gg to all the people who liek Mudkipz
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on September 05, 2015, 12:22:59 PM
again I was a different one each time in this one too >.>
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 05, 2015, 12:37:29 PM
I always get picked as Sassy, so depending on the game I'm either Meowth or Riolu. I went with Meowth since I like that Pokémon better.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 05, 2015, 12:55:04 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 05, 2015, 12:37:29 PMI always get picked as Sassy
same lmao
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on September 12, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0C8JKC.png)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on September 12, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
Ahhh, good ol rescue missions.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 12, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
I started replaying the first game last night actually. Wow it moves fast. (And as I expected, I got Sassy which is Treecko.)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on September 12, 2015, 03:17:43 PM
I need to replay the PMD games again to prep for Super PMD.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on September 17, 2015, 03:37:08 PM
Tomorrow (September 18th) is the 9 Year anniversary of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Rescue Team in the west, with the 10 year anniversary of the series coming this November. To celebrate I planned a retrospective series covering all five games in the series and my memories with each one. Thanks to the help of my many friends, I finally got this thing out. Here's part one of my PMD Retrospective! I'm not an expert on video editing but I still tried my best and that's what counts.

(Spoilers for Rescue Team and Ginji's Rescue Team but those are so old they really don't need to be tagged IMO)


Happy (Slightly early) 9th Birthday, English Rescue Team!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 21, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
New poll!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on September 21, 2015, 08:14:27 PM
woah, I've never played GTI but only 5 options?  Is this even a mystery dungeon game?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 21, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on September 21, 2015, 08:14:27 PMwoah, I've never played GTI but only 5 options?  Is this even a mystery dungeon game?
yuuuuup. gameplay is shit but the story and soundtrack are super good
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on September 25, 2015, 09:10:45 PM
I was having a conversation on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MysteryDungeon/comments/3md607/how_relevant_is_the_players_humanity_to_the_plot) about plot holes in Explorers of T/D/S, and the subject of the Personality Test came up (specifically, how it would actually take place according to the in-game narrative). We concluded that since Darkrai was responsible for the Player's transformation, it was HE who interviewed you (complete with Freudian psychoanalysis and Rorschach inkblot tests, of course!):

(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h475/Bespinben/fdhwaP2%20-%20Imgursized_zpsugao8w1j.jpg) (http://s1111.photobucket.com/user/Bespinben/media/fdhwaP2%20-%20Imgursized_zpsugao8w1j.jpg.html)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on September 25, 2015, 09:35:51 PM
I just consider it a narrative device that they attempted to make a little more "in-universe" just for the sake of immersion. I always ignored it as part of the plot, even in MD1.

I have a lot of theories and headcanons about the MD games lmao and this is the entire reason I'm writing a retelling-of-MD1-and-2 fanfic that hopes to make some sense of the more nonsensical parts and also tie the two games together - an attempt to make the protag and partner of MD1 move to the MD2 world with a reasonable explanation, because when I first played MD2 I had the same starter/partner combo and tried to think of them as the same characters and I want to find a way to reconcile that now.

As for the relevance of the partner's humanity to MD2: There's the dimensional scream!1 That's totally something they couldn't have given to a Poké-player. Totally.

In all actuality it never bothered me though. I'm too busy trying to figure out how to justify the Time-Travel-Physics-Lite that goes on in those games. I actually think I found an explanation that makes it work by using the concept of free will as a crucial part of the time travel logic.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 26, 2015, 11:12:23 AM
Quote from: Altissimo on September 25, 2015, 09:35:51 PMI just consider it a narrative device that they attempted to make a little more "in-universe" just for the sake of immersion. I always ignored it as part of the plot, even in MD1.

I have a lot of theories and headcanons about the MD games lmao and this is the entire reason I'm writing a retelling-of-MD1-and-2 fanfic that hopes to make some sense of the more nonsensical parts and also tie the two games together - an attempt to make the protag and partner of MD1 move to the MD2 world with a reasonable explanation, because when I first played MD2 I had the same starter/partner combo and tried to think of them as the same characters and I want to find a way to reconcile that now.

As for the relevance of the partner's humanity to MD2: There's the dimensional scream!1 That's totally something they couldn't have given to a Poké-player. Totally.

In all actuality it never bothered me though. I'm too busy trying to figure out how to justify the Time-Travel-Physics-Lite that goes on in those games. I actually think I found an explanation that makes it work by using the concept of free will as a crucial part of the time travel logic.
I've actually had a theory on the PMD timeline for a while, but some details in PSMD may change it for me.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on September 26, 2015, 11:44:25 AM
PSMD might cause me to have to rewrite my entire fanfic premise based on whether I like it or not lmao
(my fanfic doesn't include GtI since I never played it so)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on September 27, 2015, 09:44:33 PM
https://twitter.com/PMD2_Bot

The twitter bot I mentioned a month or so ago is finished.

Except for the occasional spacing problem. I'm fixing that right now.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on October 13, 2015, 12:23:56 PM
I 3D-printed FOUND A TIME GEAR!

Who wants to go to Temporal Tower? ;)

Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/FZNQjhE.jpg)
[close]

(it ain't perfect, but working on on it)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on October 13, 2015, 06:15:38 PM
Meeeeeee!!!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on October 13, 2015, 07:09:56 PM
I never played GTI (I was extremely turned off by the lack of Pokémon), and for some reason I never played Red and Blue either. Maybe I'll get to them someday...

But Explorers just has too much nostalgia for me. The OST is amazing, the story is beautiful, and the gameplay is addictive... There isn't a single thing about the game I don't like.

No, wait, there is one thing. The dialogue is so kid-friendly at times that it just gets too cheesy. "Prepare to disappear!" Really?

Either way, I'm hyped for the new one. I'm *definitely* getting it.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on October 14, 2015, 06:20:08 PM
http://gonintendo.com/stories/244677-full-list-of-datamined-wii-u-vc-wii-download-games-for-eshop

THE LEGEND RETURNS (Eventually, probably not long after Japan gets it. Maybe it'll be out here when PSMD launches?)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Oronoco on October 15, 2015, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: Latios212 on October 13, 2015, 12:23:56 PMI 3D-printed FOUND A TIME GEAR!

Who wants to go to Temporal Tower? ;)

Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/FZNQjhE.jpg)
[close]

(it ain't perfect, but working on on it)

I just saw this! And I can't figure it out...but it's making my heart race! But why? Why should it stir me up so much? Why is my pulse beating all of a sudden?

Seriously though, that's incredible.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on October 15, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
oh my god that was a PMD quote

Thanks! 3d printers are great :D (Now time to create 4 more...)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: braix on October 15, 2015, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: Latios212 on October 15, 2015, 05:19:53 PMoh my god that was a PMD quote

Thanks! 3d printers are great :D (Now time to create 4 more...)
you mean 5 more?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on October 15, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
IT'S TOTALLY SIX TIME GEARS I AM STILL PART OF THE TINFOIL HAT GROUP THAT BELIEVES THE TITLE SCREEN OF DARKNESS WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN UNUSED VOLCANO IF IT WASN'T PLANNED TO BE USED
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on October 31, 2015, 06:47:36 PM
Poll for Eternal Memories III (AKA Retrospective of Explorers of Time/Darkness/Sky's story): Why do you guys love Explorers so much? http://strawpoll.me/5888093/ Wanted to see the general consensus for when the episode is released late November/Early December since it's a fan favorite
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on October 31, 2015, 07:51:03 PM
cause it dabes
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on November 01, 2015, 10:24:00 PM
Quote[11:42:43 PM] Marty Balmer: alakazam's team honestly did 0 useful things

[11:42:51 PM] Nebbles: I know

[11:42:53 PM] Marty Balmer: you beat them to zapdos

[11:43:00 PM] Marty Balmer: and you kill groudon for them

[11:43:05 PM] Marty Balmer: they tried that shit for like weeks

[11:43:39 PM] Marty Balmer: the only thing they ever did was chase you down and try to kill you yet you idolize them still for some reason

[11:43:54 PM] Nebbles: "gold rank" my ass

[11/1/2015 11:53:06 PM] Marty Balmer: LOL

[11/1/2015 11:53:34 PM] Marty Balmer: I'm just playing through the game again and I realized that their team is seriously the least helpful of all time

[11/1/2015 11:53:56 PM] Marty Balmer: Even Shiftry, the piece of crap that he was before we rescued him, rescued Jumpluff in the Silent Chasm.

[11/1/2015 11:54:15 PM] Marty Balmer: We never once see Alakazam's team complete a rescue throughout the entire game.

*LATER, GRINDING FOR GOLD RANK BEFORE SKY TOWER*
[12:15:04 AM] Marty Balmer: an A rank mission in Howling Forest? Sign me up!

[12:15:26 AM] Marty Balmer: Meanwhile, chaos and anarchy descends upon the world

[12:15:33 AM] Nebbles: they'll be fine!

[12:15:50 AM] Marty Balmer: THEY CAN WAIT FOR ME TO BE BETTER THAN FUCKIN ALAKAZAM AIGHT

[12:16:23 AM] Nebbles: it's not hard to be better than alakazam

[12:16:31 AM] Marty Balmer: OH SHIT

[12:16:36 AM] Nebbles: :U

[12:17:12 AM] Marty Balmer: true i mean i kinda was kicking his ass when we fought on Mt. Freeze and I'm only a totodile

[12:17:13 AM] Marty Balmer: what a bish

[12:17:37 AM] Nebbles: at least in pmd2, the guild members are competent

[12:18:22 AM] Marty Balmer: they at least seem to get shit done

[12:18:28 AM] Marty Balmer: unlike fuckin alakazam's team

[12:18:39 AM] Nebbles: i bet they just spray painted their badge gold

[12:18:53 AM] Marty Balmer: LOL

[12:19:15 AM] Nebbles: i mean god they NEVER fucking help you out i'm so mad

[12:19:30 AM] Marty Balmer: I love how I ruined them for you lol

[12:19:40 AM] Nebbles: NO SERIOUSLY THOUGH GOD THEY SUCK

[12:20:13 AM] Marty Balmer: I really need to post this in the PMD thread on NSM

[12:20:19 AM] Nebbles: you do
discuss
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Oronoco on November 02, 2015, 05:18:17 AM
^^^^This definitely made my day.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on November 02, 2015, 01:35:32 PM
I still think Officer Magnezone is worse IMO as he awful at his job. Arresting the wrong people (Armaldo), not doing anything when folks are clearly in danger (Like the Dusknoir kidnapping. Do they go on an epic search across the continent for you guys? No, they just think he's being a nice guy and leave it sit which is completely stupid), and overall being useless while having you do all the work. At the VERY least Team ACT tried doing something and tried doing things by themselves, even if they failed and if it made me still mad you couldn't fight them in the end. Officer Magnezone just seems to be unsure on how to do his job. Sure, he sends the outlaws you capture to jail, but the fact you are doing the work for him along with how he doesn't seem to be doing anything himself makes him seem like he's pretty useless. Just my two cents on the matter.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on November 02, 2015, 01:59:50 PM
I could have sworn Armaldo was a legit criminal tho
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 02, 2015, 03:07:37 PM
He was, actually. Pretty sure he was.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on November 02, 2015, 03:31:18 PM
Still he at least had a heart and a personality that could have helped made up for his past actions, and he grew over the course of the special episode. He was nowhere near as disturbing or "evil" as Drowzee IMO
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on November 02, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
But didn't Drowzee make up for his actions in a way by helping out with the nightmare business in the aftergame?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on November 02, 2015, 03:35:21 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on November 02, 2015, 03:31:18 PMStill he at least had a heart and a personality that could have helped made up for his past actions, and he grew over the course of the special episode. He was nowhere near as disturbing or "evil" as Drowzee IMO

He still committed a crime. It kind of seems like you're grasping at straws to prove why Magnezone's judgment is horrid at this point tbh
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on November 02, 2015, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: InsigTurtle on November 02, 2015, 03:33:50 PMBut didn't Drowzee make up for his actions in a way by helping out with the nightmare business in the aftergame?

He did, although personally I feel that it didn't develop him as a character as much as Armaldo did in the second special episode, despite the ironic fact that Drowzee got let out for good behavior while Armaldo didn't for some unexplained reason. We knew what Drowzee was doing wrong, as the two heroes confront him for the purpose of stopping him from harming Azurill. All we knew about Armaldo's past was that he's a dangerous outlaw with a bad reputation, but it never went into detail on why he had that reputation, which seemed to me like a missed opportunity TBH...  It made the ending of that special episode all the more sad, which while probably intended by the game developers just made me dislike Officer Magnezone in that particular instance.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 02, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
Okay, but here's a thought - do we KNOW Magnezone didn't go on a search for you and your partner? We have no idea what happened back in that timeline when you're dragged to the future. We have zero idea of what went on, I assume they have been searching for a good while. We still don't know how long you two were gone and all, yeah, but it's fair to give Magnezone credit.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on November 02, 2015, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: Nebbles on November 02, 2015, 03:56:19 PMOkay, but here's a thought - do we KNOW Magnezone didn't go on a search for you and your partner? We have no idea what happened back in that timeline when you're dragged to the future. We have zero idea of what went on, I assume they have been searching for a good while. We still don't know how long you two were gone and all, yeah, but it's fair to give Magnezone credit.

If I remember correctly Sunflora and Bidoof had diaries you could read that mentioned how everyone believed that your team was simply "missing". Not kidnapped, just "missing" which made the guild worry sick. The guild went and took a look during the period of time your team was missing, if my memory serves correctly, but it never mentioned Magnezone plotting a rescue effort or a long expedition to find clues to your team's whereabouts, unlike the Grovyle saga where he was constantly involved in trying to catch Grovyle. (Before everyone knew the truth). It's more of a personal nitpick than anything else, but he really did rub me the wrong way due to how it didn't go into much detail on what he does. Honestly, I kinda wish that they gave him a special episode in Sky to tie up some loose ends, as maybe that would sway my opinion in the same way the Team Charm episode did when Sky came out.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 02, 2015, 04:31:22 PM
...ooohhh. Hm.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on November 02, 2015, 04:51:41 PM
Psychological assimilation versus accommodation. To wit: everyone was so convinced that Dusknoir was a good guy that they'd rather reinterpret your team's vanishing as a "disappearance", than admit that their preconceived notions about Dusknoir was wrong.

Ooooor - and this could really make it a bit more interesting - Dusknoir employed psychic deception.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 02, 2015, 05:34:27 PM
Now that's something I can get behind!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on November 02, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
Making the residents of Treasure Town forget the team ever existed would probably be too much of a hassle and likely beyond a Ghost-type's limited powers but what if he just made everyone think that the team had... gone missing...? after speaking to him at the portal.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on November 02, 2015, 09:12:02 PM
I mean, I still think Alakazam's team sucks.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 02, 2015, 09:12:48 PM
Well they're literally useless, so no one blames you for that.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on November 03, 2015, 05:31:45 AM
They managed to follow you to Mt. Freeze. Totally not useless.

Totally.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 03, 2015, 05:51:55 AM
To what, try and kill us? oooooh how useful
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on November 06, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
Me when I'm playing as a Riolu
 (http://41.media.tumblr.com/3c1e5c740362935feca8ccf9fcc38626/tumblr_nxfjgvQLjM1tlrff0o1_500.png)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on November 08, 2015, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on November 06, 2015, 10:06:40 PMMe when I'm playing as a Riolu
 (http://41.media.tumblr.com/3c1e5c740362935feca8ccf9fcc38626/tumblr_nxfjgvQLjM1tlrff0o1_500.png)

That reminds me I need to get to looking for that Explorers of Sky Riolu Plush... I still regret passing by it in target going "oh I'll just get it later" only to have it be so difficult to find in this day and age...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on November 17, 2015, 11:58:41 AM
Happy decennial (10th) anniversary Blue/Red Rescue Team:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35209091/10years.PNG)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on November 17, 2015, 03:43:01 PM
i'm so goddamn old
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 17, 2015, 04:06:43 PM
oh god i'm old
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on November 17, 2015, 06:53:58 PM
Come on Chunsoft, no "Very Best of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon" Remix album? :P Even Ys of all games got something for the 10th anniversary. Part of me wishes someone made a vocal arrangement album for PMD but sadly it seems too obscure for that to happen. Is it bad I want some J-Pop in my PMD remixes?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on November 18, 2015, 10:52:28 PM
Radio Whirlwind is doing a three day event stream where they change their 24/7 playlist to play nothing but music from Pokemon Mystery Dungeon to celebrate the release of Super Mystery Dungeon. It's really cool. You can check it out here. (http://radiowhirlwind.com/tune-in/)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 19, 2015, 04:21:41 AM
TOMORROW'S THE BIG DAY, EVERYONE
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on November 27, 2015, 08:12:56 PM
Loving the cameos, but dear me.... I hope I'm not the only one who found Xatu legitimately terrifying back in the day.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35209091/tumblr_nf0s4g30Lu1rsj6gpo1_1280.png)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on November 27, 2015, 08:15:24 PM
god
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on November 27, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
oh cool I didn't know that part was a cameo
BUT THE BEST PART IS IT'S PIKA AND MUDKIP THAT'S WHO I WAS
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on December 22, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
(https://scontent.fash1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/10391608_798650033597836_8924670307506849816_n.jpg?oh=33a307d6e6e3e2165111509a08cd1e35&oe=56D8897F)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on December 22, 2015, 09:42:55 PM
...that's a good point...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on December 22, 2015, 09:45:11 PM
I always imagined that there was some sort of information relay system that worked similarly to a fax machine
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: BrainyLucario on December 22, 2015, 10:45:38 PM
I am currently facing the last boss in Pokemon: Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky and need advice on how to complete this task.
My character is a Riolu and my partner is Treecko. I can't stop failing!!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on December 22, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
seeds
dem seeds
get em seeds
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: BrainyLucario on December 22, 2015, 11:25:40 PM
Quote from: InsigTurtle on December 22, 2015, 11:22:09 PMseeds
dem seeds
get em seeds
I should have guessed reviver seeds...
I really have both a disadvantage and an advantage when it comes to my two pokemon! Treecko can be such a pain in that dungeon!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on December 22, 2015, 11:33:57 PM
Well, if I remember correctly, I spammed Blinker, X-Eye and Sleep seeds to make it pretty easy. You might have to grind for them if it's too late.




Unrelated, going through PSMD, damn
Spoiler
Sand Dune of Spirits and Mystery Jungle are hard. I actually needed to strategize to minimize Oran Berry and Reviver Seed losses.
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: BrainyLucario on December 22, 2015, 11:36:53 PM
Quote from: InsigTurtle on December 22, 2015, 11:33:57 PMWell, if I remember correctly, I spammed Blinker, X-Eye and Sleep seeds to make it pretty easy. You might have to grind for them if it's too late.




Unrelated, going through PSMD, damn
Spoiler
Sand Dune of Spirits and Mystery Jungle are hard. I actually needed to strategize to minimize Oran Berry and Reviver Seed losses.
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I completely forgot that you are allowed to use seeds during boss battles, I normally never use items in boss battles for some reason....
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 23, 2015, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: InsigTurtle on December 22, 2015, 11:33:57 PMWell, if I remember correctly, I spammed Blinker, X-Eye and Sleep seeds to make it pretty easy. You might have to grind for them if it's too late.




Unrelated, going through PSMD, damn
Spoiler
Sand Dune of Spirits and Mystery Jungle are hard. I actually needed to strategize to minimize Oran Berry and Reviver Seed losses.
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Mystery Jungle is awful. I ragequit the entire game at that.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on December 23, 2015, 04:35:09 PM
I'm going to attempt that dungeon again.
Game plan is to avoid enemies as much as possible, using wands, seeds and orbs when necessary.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on December 23, 2015, 05:17:43 PM
Super PMD dungeons are stupidly hard at some points, and with how tedious leveling up is, and how slow stat gain is, it's really imbalanced.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on December 23, 2015, 05:38:38 PM
Yeah, I noticed how they tried to balance it out by giving out Oran Berries and Reviver Seeds like candy, but it still doesn't feel that good...
I had to get past Mystery Jungle by spamming Pure Seeds, Warp Wands, Petrify Wands, Guiding Wands and Tunnel Wands. It's not too hard that way, but it feels cheap.
One thing that really hit me in the feels, was
Spoiler
Going back to talk with Carracosta after Mew joins you. When he sees Mew and gets the impression that it's your partner before getting disappointed again and saying that he's getting old... God damn.
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on December 23, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
In all fairness, that was a strategy in the previous PMD games, but felt like it was cranked up to 11 in this game.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on December 23, 2015, 09:09:03 PM
I didn't have a problem with mystery jungle the first time around, I'm literally preaching the gospel of stayaway wands here

the second time I ran out and had alti rescue me <3
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 24, 2015, 09:13:45 AM
Mystery Jungle wasn't overly hard in my first playthrough, as a Lv. 24 Riolu.

Second playthrough, Lv. 30 Riolu... Getting one-shot.

What the hell.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on December 24, 2015, 09:41:05 AM
Also, is it me, or did they change the fact that HP doesn't restore in weather all the time or someting? I was in Blue Point a while ago and it was hailing, and my HP wasn't regenerating as I was walking.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 24, 2015, 10:04:56 AM
Quote from: Nebbles on December 24, 2015, 09:41:05 AMAlso, is it me, or did they change the fact that HP doesn't restore in weather all the time or someting? I was in Blue Point a while ago and it was hailing, and my HP wasn't regenerating as I was walking.

Yep, they changed it.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: BrainyLucario on December 24, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on December 24, 2015, 10:04:56 AMYep, they changed it.
Well that's just great! That's more oran berries i'll have to use...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 24, 2015, 10:49:22 AM
I don't think it ever restored HP during Hail and Sandstorm, unless you're Ice / Rock, Ground, Steel
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: BrainyLucario on December 24, 2015, 10:51:54 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on December 24, 2015, 10:49:22 AMI don't think it ever restored HP during Hail and Sandstorm, unless you're Ice / Rock, Ground, Steel
I believe it did.... I play PMD Explorers of Sky where i believe it does that
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 24, 2015, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on December 24, 2015, 10:49:22 AMI don't think it ever restored HP during Hail and Sandstorm, unless you're Ice / Rock, Ground, Steel

It did in Explorers.

Anyone remember Star Cave in Bidoof's Wish?

The weather is Hail!

- 3 HP

walking walking walking +2 HP

- 3 HP

walking walking walking +2 HP

- 3 HP

...

Oh no! Bidoof fainted!

Pls Snover
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: BrainyLucario on December 24, 2015, 10:56:23 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on December 24, 2015, 10:52:26 AMIt did in Explorers.

Anyone remember Star Cave in Bidoof's Wish?

The weather is Hail!

- 3 HP

walking walking walking +2 HP

- 3 HP

walking walking walking +2 HP

- 3 HP

...

Oh no! Bidoof fainted!

Pls Snover
I have a perk where I regenerate health more often when walking! so i never run into this problem
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 24, 2015, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: BrainyLucario on December 24, 2015, 10:56:23 AMI have a perk where I regenerate health more often when walking! so i never run into this problem

IIRC it's based off of your max health. So when you first encounter damaging weather in the main story, you're in Northern Desert and already have a high enough HP that you'll restore health on average.

However, Bidoof's HP is too low, so he just loses HP...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: BrainyLucario on December 24, 2015, 11:11:20 AM
Oh yeah....... i forgot how low bidoof's health was... it's really unfortunate
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on December 24, 2015, 01:25:39 PM
I remember one time I had to rescue a Psyduck in bad weather and it was walking randomly in some patches of water and I couldn't reach it because I didn't have a water-type and I waited for it to walk back onto a regular floor tile and nope, it just walked in circles in a puddle and died
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 24, 2015, 01:39:20 PM
Quote from: Latios212 on December 24, 2015, 01:25:39 PMI remember one time I had to rescue a Psyduck in bad weather and it was walking randomly in some patches of water and I couldn't reach it because I didn't have a water-type and I waited for it to walk back onto a regular floor tile and nope, it just walked in circles in a puddle and died

Happened to me too, but with a Misdreavus inside a wall. >.<
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on December 24, 2015, 02:41:43 PM
Something similar happened to me with a Yanma that floated over lava and died of burn when i was like 5 feet away
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on December 24, 2015, 03:54:50 PM
I had an Azurill die to hail right when I got into the room to rescue it. I remember being very mad.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Oronoco on December 26, 2015, 05:08:41 PM
Quote from: Altissimo on December 24, 2015, 02:41:43 PMSomething similar happened to me with a Yanma that floated over lava and died of burn when i was like 5 feet away

This happened to me back when I was little and not-too-bright. I was angry, and I smashed my DS on the corner of a table I was sitting too close to. Then that anger turned to sadness real-quick.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on December 26, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
Oh god was your DS okay
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Oronoco on December 26, 2015, 07:48:50 PM
:)) It still worked. But to this day, the top screen still hangs on by a wire.

PMD taught me a life lesson that day. Just another reason it's incredible.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on December 30, 2015, 02:37:36 PM
Why did fate decide to reveal this to me AFTER Christmas!?!?

http://www.redbubble.com/people/insane-furrets/works/18007628-all-mystery-dungeon-badges?p=iphone-case
(http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.132910321.7628/mwo,500x,iphone_6s_snap-pad,600x1000,ffffff.2u2.jpg)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 30, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
I'm always told that Redbubble products are trash-quality. :[
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Waddle Bro on December 30, 2015, 02:43:57 PM
^I have the sickest music video poster styled like film promo that a graphic designer posted on redbubble holy shitt i'm gonna have it framed one day
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on January 15, 2016, 12:55:07 PM
Tem cRi evrytiem!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o-b8AzKV32E

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MflThhRSPv8

Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on January 15, 2016, 01:03:05 PM
do you have ANY idea what you've done
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on January 15, 2016, 10:42:40 PM
thank you ben
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Waddle Bro on February 16, 2016, 09:50:04 AM
since when were Red&Blue Rescue Team available on wii u eshop??? or am I the first one here who noticed them D:
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on February 16, 2016, 09:51:17 AM
I didn't know that.  :o
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Zeila on February 16, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
It got leaked along with TPHD, idk exactly when it came out
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on February 16, 2016, 04:13:20 PM
Quote from: Waddle Bro on February 16, 2016, 09:50:04 AMsince when were Red&Blue Rescue Team available on wii u eshop??? or am I the first one here who noticed them D:

Unfortunately, it's only for NoE...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on February 16, 2016, 07:30:55 PM
I hope NoA gets it, too.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on March 15, 2016, 06:19:47 PM
NCL is releasing PMDI as VC titles next week on the Wii U. This means by the nature of the tradeoff system, we'll be getting them inevitably as well.

Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/NintenDaan/status/709910429552791553?p=v
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Ōkami~MD on April 04, 2016, 01:52:52 PM
Ok, I don't want to upset anyone here so please read the whole post.

I love the first two PMD titles and played explorers of time to death, and then I tried the demo for Gates to Infinity. I was kind of disappointed, but this was way back when and I really want to get back into PMD on 3ds.

Please can someone persuade me to invest in a copy of PMD:GtI or PSMD  :-\   
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 04, 2016, 01:54:52 PM
PSMD is imo the best 3DS game of 2015 and others here can attest that I'm not generally a fan
idk about GtI but it sounds bad
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 04, 2016, 02:17:25 PM
GTI and PSMD are about the same. And they're both about the same as the others in the series. Get either one, PSMD if you want more Pokémon variety and GTI if you want a better story.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on April 04, 2016, 02:50:01 PM
I couldn't disagree with that more lol there's soooo much different about these games
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 04, 2016, 03:06:14 PM
Get PSMD.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 04, 2016, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Latios212 on April 04, 2016, 02:50:01 PMI couldn't disagree with that more lol there's soooo much different about these games

Like what
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 04, 2016, 04:09:51 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on April 04, 2016, 04:07:13 PMLike what
can we start with the relative enjoyability
(jk I've never played gti so I can't comment, but how come there are no starters lol)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on April 04, 2016, 04:11:28 PM
Story, characters, hub world, game mechanics, general flow of gameplay, endless amount of small details? GtI and PSMD feel extremely different to me despite looking visually similar.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on April 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
Explorers of Sky had a demo too. Playing that alone would leave a bad taste in your mouth as well. Every PMD game starts out a bit slow until the juicy plot twist comes and shatters your world. Gates to Infinity and Super Mystery Dungeon are no exceptions. Get them. You will not regret it.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 04, 2016, 05:16:18 PM
Well, it's settled. You MUST get both of them... Bespinben said so; do it.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Ōkami~MD on April 05, 2016, 03:03:24 AM
....OK then!

I'll look more into them (luckily I have a birthday soon, birthday means money woohoo)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on April 05, 2016, 12:18:45 PM
I enjoy thinking about GTI more than playing it. It has an incredibly slow text speed, especially in the level-up messages. I mainly like it because of the plot, which makes the most sense of all the games in the series in my humble opinion, it doesn't try to cram in as many legendaries as possible, and the message that even the smallest amount of hope can save us is BRILLIANT.
I know this is unlikely, but I'd like to see a remake of Gates one day.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on June 02, 2016, 11:53:25 PM
[snip]
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 03, 2016, 12:28:05 AM
THEORY
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on June 03, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
I want to play EoS again, but I'm much too attached to my file to restart, so I'll have to get a ROM. But dammit, why don't Pokemon games have more than one save file?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on June 03, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on June 03, 2016, 12:28:05 AMTHEORY

thank you for this wonderful contribution
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 03, 2016, 11:43:48 AM
anytime
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on June 03, 2016, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: Nebbles on June 03, 2016, 08:22:35 AMI want to play EoS again, but I'm much too attached to my file to restart, so I'll have to get a ROM. But dammit, why don't Pokemon games have more than one save file?
Get Time or Darkness? Their opening is pretty cool.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on June 03, 2016, 01:22:52 PM
Nah, EoT/D don't have all the extra goodies EoS has.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on June 03, 2016, 01:27:07 PM
second copy of Sky
this is why the 3DS's backup save data is so great, I can remove PSMD when I want to have games on my 3DS
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 03, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
PMDIII on Wiiware actually were the first games to have multiple save files, which is why I'm baffled they didn't bring that back for GTI or PSMD since they did it before
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 03, 2016, 05:14:16 PM
Are you really baffled tho

One save file = selling more copies of the game, and also for Game Sync stuff tying a player's ID to a specific copy of the game
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on June 03, 2016, 05:34:44 PM
Eh, I know, I just still want multiple save files.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on June 04, 2016, 07:09:42 AM
Game Sync is only in the main series though.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on July 18, 2016, 03:31:18 PM
So I brought out my old copy of Red Rescue Team and maaan it hit me in the feels.
Arrangements coming soon.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on July 18, 2016, 03:39:34 PM
good. make us proud.

but use the Blue Rescue Team soundtrack as a base
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on July 18, 2016, 03:46:33 PM
I'm too busy trying to recruit Groudon.
I have basically every other legendary (only him, Entei, and Jirachi) but goddamnit he will NOT get in my party.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on August 12, 2016, 03:31:48 PM

Yes, my PMD retrospective is still alive. Dev hell has been a pain, but it's almost done so I made a quick trailer!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on August 30, 2016, 10:57:19 AM
What do you think of this?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Waddle Bro on August 30, 2016, 12:03:06 PM
i enjoyed it, good review :]
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on August 30, 2016, 01:55:05 PM
What did you like about it? Should I make a video about Explorers' plot holes?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on August 30, 2016, 02:18:47 PM
Nah, plot holes are overdone and nobody really enjoys plot hole discussions
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on August 30, 2016, 03:15:23 PM
explorers is too good to whine about >:(
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on August 30, 2016, 06:47:25 PM
Quote from: Altissimo on August 30, 2016, 03:15:23 PMexplorers is too good to whine about >:(
Wahhh, explorers could really use a 3DS virtual console version so I can play it! Crap, I can't whine about it! D:
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on August 31, 2016, 12:16:02 AM
Wii U? Though personally, I'd like to see a proper remake of PMD2. In the unlikely event that they remake it, I'd like to hear this unused music that 1f1n1ty on YouTube made a video about:
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on September 04, 2016, 02:10:27 PM
What do you think of this?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on September 04, 2016, 02:15:20 PM
BRIT
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on September 04, 2016, 06:25:39 PM
IT ALL MAKES SENSE. That, or I am just half-asleep.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 05, 2016, 10:42:20 AM
So a while back I started to theorize about the timeline of the Mystery Dungeon series. Made a popular post on the /r/MysteryDungeon subreddit explaining it here (https://www.reddit.com/r/MysteryDungeon/comments/42kawv/pmd_timeline_theory_major_spoilers_ahead_all_games/). It's not perfect of course, and has changed quite a bit since I posted it, but I still stand by this theory.

Anyway I started writing up a novelization of every game, but I realized that that means I'd have to play every PMD game again and write down every bit of dialogue. One hour into Gates and I already hate myself. This is so painstakingly slow.

Anyway I'm planning on posting chapters/entire books here when they're done. Its either this or fanfiction.net lmao
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on September 05, 2016, 11:19:42 AM
I have a Sky script if you want it
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on September 05, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
Why do you need to write down every line of dialogue?

Reminds me, I once planned on writing a series of PMD reimaginings, but it never went anywhere.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 05, 2016, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: Altissimo on September 05, 2016, 11:19:42 AMI have a Sky script if you want it
omg that'd be awesome!

Quote from: Nitro Indigo on September 05, 2016, 11:50:24 AMWhy do you need to write down every line of dialogue?
Sake of authenticity. Since this is a novelization, after all.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on September 05, 2016, 12:15:56 PM
Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that it takes ages for the characters to say things in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon? I realised this when I was playing Spirit Tracks a while ago; the mid-game cutscene plot twist only lasts about three minutes, while PMD's cutscenes usually last around five, and have a lot of characters standing around and repeating each other, with lots of ellipses.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 05, 2016, 12:19:35 PM
That's very true. I hate how when the player explains something to everyone, they repeat it word for word. That doesn't happen in normal conversation.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on September 05, 2016, 12:30:29 PM
Lol, I like how they put my thoughts in text, then other characters immediately know what I was thinking about.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 05, 2016, 12:35:32 PM
I don't see what's so hard about giving the player a little dialogue. I'm pretty sure they did it at least semi-frequently in Gates.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on September 05, 2016, 01:25:30 PM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9nxwnyq65lo48a/Explorers%20of%20Sky%20Script%20%28game%20%2B%20special%20episode%205%29.docx?dl=0 har
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: braix on September 05, 2016, 02:27:49 PM
386 pages o.o
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 05, 2016, 03:35:30 PM
oh snap that's a lot
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on September 06, 2016, 08:03:23 AM
One page for each Pokémon as of 2005.

I'm planning on making an It Doesn't Make Sense video about Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon. Once I've finished the script, would anyone like me to PM it to them to give me ways to improve it?

Pokémon Super Duper Mystery Dungeon 64 Advance DS Wii 3D Portable U for WonderSwan HD
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on September 11, 2016, 01:14:35 PM

I worked on this damn video for ten months of my life and survived Development Hell. I hope you enjoy this amateur retrospective.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on September 13, 2016, 12:46:34 PM
^ I've started watching that, but I don't have a lot of time.

Speaking of YouTube videos...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on September 23, 2016, 06:37:23 PM
What the heck? Why does explorers have to be a good game that I am not able to play!? These 3 games sound like they're the best of all the games, they sound like they have really cool dungeons and I want to play it!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on September 23, 2016, 07:13:03 PM
they were okay.  I found them really difficult and it was hard to figure out how to progress, but the story was pretty good and I was always excited when the game decided I was done grinding
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on September 23, 2016, 11:19:40 PM
Why can't you play them? Explorers of Sky is on Wii U Virtual Console, by the way.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on September 24, 2016, 04:24:01 AM
Because I don't have a wii u, I can't emulate things, and I don't have DS that can play gameboy games  :'(
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on September 24, 2016, 06:21:24 AM
explorers of sky is a ds game
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on September 24, 2016, 08:17:07 AM
So is Blue Rescue Team.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on September 24, 2016, 09:43:57 AM
Oh, they are? Well then I'll look into that, thanks!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on September 29, 2016, 06:21:40 AM
Yeah blue rescue team is a ds game but red rescue team is not why they did that i do not know.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on September 29, 2016, 07:15:55 AM
I'd get red because it's cheaper.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 30, 2016, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: BoywithoutaFairy on September 29, 2016, 06:21:40 AMYeah blue rescue team is a ds game but red rescue team is not why they did that i do not know.
I think it was at the very end of the GBA's life cycle and the beginning of the DS's.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on September 29, 2016, 07:15:55 AMI'd get red because it's cheaper.
I'd get blue because the music sounds better and you get a whole extra screen :P
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 30, 2016, 11:42:02 PM
Yeah, by time of release the DS had been out for over two years. And GBA games look better on Wii U than DS games.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on October 01, 2016, 09:25:18 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 30, 2016, 11:42:02 PMYeah, by time of release the DS had been out for over two years. And GBA games look better on Wii U than DS games.
This too, like playing DS on Wii U is fine unless everything happens on the gamepad.  I'd rather have the big screen
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 01, 2016, 10:02:48 AM
DS games on Wii U would be great if they only allowed you to display the touch screen on the TV. Unfortunately, you can't display only the touch screen on the TV, so any game where the touch screen has the action (including PMD) ends up feeling awkward.

It's also worth noting that the DS version has nearly identical graphics and sound to the GBA version.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on October 01, 2016, 10:20:08 AM
Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks apply too unfortunately.  Otherwise I'd totally buy the extraneous copies :C
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 01, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
Well, you can't exactly touch the touch screen when it's on the TV.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 01, 2016, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on October 01, 2016, 11:30:12 AMWell, you can't exactly touch the touch screen when it's on the TV.

Thank you for this marvelous insight but things on the touch screen can still be controlled with the buttons
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on October 01, 2016, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on October 01, 2016, 11:30:12 AMWell, you can't exactly touch the touch screen when it's on the TV.
you can still touch the game pad though.  Even showing both screens on the TV would be better than showing the touch screen on the game pad and some useless info on the TV
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 01, 2016, 01:10:39 PM
Oh... you're talking about showing both screens on the GamePad, but only the touch screen on the TV?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on October 01, 2016, 01:14:35 PM
no
showing the touch screen only on both the TV and the game pad
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on October 01, 2016, 01:57:04 PM
Haha. Mario Kart. Pokemon Pearl, Diamond, Platinum, Black, White, HeartGold, SoulSilver. Various other games.

How about showing the touch screen on the gamepad and the top screen on the TV?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on October 01, 2016, 02:05:16 PM
That's what they currently do isn't it?  And we weren't talking about those games, we were talking about the ones that use the touch screen only
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on October 01, 2016, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on October 01, 2016, 02:05:16 PMThat's what they currently do isn't it? 

I wouldn't know I don't own a Wii U.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on October 01, 2016, 02:05:16 PMwe weren't talking about those games, we were talking about the ones that use the touch screen only

I very often used the top screen in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time (and Sky). I always kept the map and team stats up there so I could easily tell where all my team members were and how much HP they had left.


Maybe an option to choose what screens are display on the gamepad or the TV. You could choose to have both in both place. One in one place and one in another. or the same in both places.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on October 01, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
iirc explorers had a map overlay on the bottom screen.  I played the game pretty much exclusively on the bottom screen
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 01, 2016, 10:03:58 PM
Explorers has those split-screen scenery cinematics, though.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 02, 2016, 07:41:00 AM
Quote from: BoywithoutaFairy on October 01, 2016, 02:26:21 PMI wouldn't know I don't own a Wii U.

I very often used the top screen in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time (and Sky). I always kept the map and team stats up there so I could easily tell where all my team members were and how much HP they had left.


Maybe an option to choose what screens are display on the gamepad or the TV. You could choose to have both in both place. One in one place and one in another. or the same in both places.

There are a ton of different display options and you can choose what's on each screen. The only one that's missing is the touch screen displayed on the TV, for some unknown reason. That's what we're complaining about.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on October 04, 2016, 09:11:04 AM
There's also no pro controller support which IMO is stupid since games like EOS don't need the touch screen at all outside of the intro personality test and the controller has the real buttons that the DS does.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on February 09, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
bumping to promote my Let's Play (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lets-catch-em-all-in-pok%C3%A9mon-mystery-dungeon-part-13-up-sky-tower.3591493/) of Blue Rescue team on Smogon. it's a catch-em-all playthrough
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nitro Indigo on February 10, 2017, 09:09:25 AM
I made a compilation of all of the personality quiz themes.

Also, should I do a review of Rescue Team?

EDIT: Altissimo, you read Silver Resistance?!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: AmpharosAndy on March 30, 2017, 01:54:52 AM
Quote from: Altissimo on February 09, 2017, 04:08:50 PMbumping to promote my Let's Play (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lets-catch-em-all-in-pok%C3%A9mon-mystery-dungeon-part-13-up-sky-tower.3591493/) of Blue Rescue team on Smogon. it's a catch-em-all playthrough
Is this still apnin? I see things too late. Definitely interested!
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on February 10, 2017, 09:09:25 AMAlso, should I do a review of Rescue Team?
YES.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on March 30, 2017, 05:53:43 AM
Yup she's still going.  I've been following along
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 05, 2017, 11:23:20 AM
Can anyone point me to playable piano sheet music for "Vast Ice Mountain" and "Vast Ice Mountain Peak"? I REALLY want to play it!!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 21, 2017, 05:06:38 PM
Remember when I said I wasn't gonna restart psmd this time?
sned hlep
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 21, 2017, 05:41:17 PM
okay, give me your code and i'll come rescue you!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 09:20:36 AM
Screw it I'm doing a no item run this time
I might actually need to be rescued
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on April 22, 2017, 09:24:10 AM
Good luck not dying of hunger
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 22, 2017, 09:25:12 AM
For some reason I restarted PSMD and have been playing it a bit in free time. I was going to replay Gates to Infinity because I like the story and characters more, but PSMD made the dungeon crawling a lot better and the main reason I want to play is for mindless dungeon crawling. I doubt I'll get through the whole game but I'm having a pretty fun time so far. I'm making a point to explore every floor entirely so I can get more Exp. and items, but let's see how far in the game that will last.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 22, 2017, 11:02:40 AM
Why the frick is the poll asking about "Gates to Infinity"? That was the fricking worst one.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
Because this thread is archaic
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 22, 2017, 11:21:18 AM
Just because something was the worst, doesn't mean it's bad in general, it's just not as good as others (in your opinion).
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on April 22, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
As long as we all agree that PMD2 was the best one.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 22, 2017, 11:38:36 AM
Amen. PMD2 FTW
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 22, 2017, 11:58:16 AM
I haven't played PMD2, but it seems like it's pretty good.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 12:09:50 PM
Psmd is much better
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 22, 2017, 12:26:31 PM
I like PMD2 the best and we'll see if a second time through PSMD changes anything but as it currently stands it's my least favorite

Like I don't like any of the characters besides the partner, they're all bland or annoying
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on April 22, 2017, 12:32:22 PM
The thing that saddens me is that I still haven't managed to recruit giratina in eos. I've literally recruited one of every other Pokemon but every time I go fight giratina he doesn't ask to join the team.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 22, 2017, 12:40:23 PM
psmd is the best because it's the only one I've played.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on April 22, 2017, 03:18:11 PM
PMD2 is my favorite, and always will be.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on April 22, 2017, 03:24:35 PM
My favourite will always be the WiiWare Japan-only games. Don'tcha love the shitty plot and the subpar music? Mmmm, that gives me life.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 04:51:38 PM
I played explorers of sky on virtual console and the mechanics are so terrible.  Nostalgia had to have a factor in people's impressions of it
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 22, 2017, 04:57:15 PM
Dang nostalgia, always ruining people's lives.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on April 22, 2017, 05:03:09 PM
Not at all a factor in my impression of it. As a kid I only completed the first half anyway because I lost the game.

Literally the only complaint I have is that arceus wasn't included.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on April 22, 2017, 05:18:02 PM
A forlorn thread quickeneth
9 years since the Grand Tale was told
Time hath a-pined, for the Darkness within
Who shall proclaim its coming?

Happy PMD2 anniversary, nerds.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 22, 2017, 05:22:55 PM
I'm sorry, I don't speak "Bespinben".
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: AmpharosAndy on March 30, 2017, 01:54:52 AMIs this still apnin? I see things too late. Definitely interested!

i missed this (for nearly a month lmao) but yes, updates are slow due to school but I am in fact playing a little of the game every day.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Bespinben on April 22, 2017, 05:33:13 PM
>Notices people posting in dead thread; feels happy
>Notices it's the North American 9th anniversary of PMD2 Time/Darkness (as of April 20)
>Notices that no one else noticed and feels miffed
>Decides to make a poem

That's how you Bespinben.

Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 05:34:44 PM
Quote from: Bespinben on April 22, 2017, 05:18:02 PMA forlorn thread quickeneth
9 years since the Grand Tale was told
Time hath a-pined, for the Darkness within
Who shall proclaim its coming?

Happy PMD2 anniversary, nerds.
for those of you who don't speak Ben:
Happy 9th anniversary to explorers of time and darkness
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 05:35:46 PM
btw i posted this in another thread a week or so ago but i am contemplating doing my masters thesis on the music of pmd if i can get away with it :v theres a bit to Say lol
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 05:37:26 PM
I mean I would do my thesis on music of Zelda since like half the titles are related to music and neaarly all the games have musical instruments in them but hey I haven't really given this exact subject much thought
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 05:39:16 PM
it's not so much about the existence of music as the music's relationship to theory (as backwards as that sounds)... plus i havent played zelda :v
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 22, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
Frickin' do all the music from this franchise!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 05:46:46 PM
it's probably best off if my thesis focuses on one game and right now I'm torn between PMD1 and PMD2. PMD2 has more music overall and has more leitmotifs than PMD1, as well as more contrasting dungeon themes owing to the greater number of dungeons in the game compared to PMD1, but I know PMD1's music better and already have a case outlined in my head for the tracks of Tiny Woods, Lapis Cave, and Mt. Blaze lmao
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 05:49:42 PM
I think explorers has the best music of the series.  It's also got a super great motif
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 05:51:06 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 22, 2017, 05:49:42 PMI think explorers has the best music of the series.  It's also got a super great motif

I agree with this very much
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 22, 2017, 05:52:39 PM
I'd say do pmd2 because 1) it's anniversary 2) it has an outstanding motif 3) you seem like you'd rather do pmd2 than pmd1
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 05:53:59 PM
"Theses require research"
*Stays up until all hours of the night playing pmd*
"ITS RESEARCH"
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 05:55:43 PM
Lol the anniversary isn't really a consideration, I need something I can make an argument for. I might not end up doing PMD at all if I can't present a good case for it anyway so it may not even happen. But the other two are true :v

@noc: yeah well by that time i probably will have started the sequel to my smogon run hahaha. But I'll probably be using NSM transcriptions and personal transcriptions for resources rather than playing the game itself.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on April 22, 2017, 05:58:15 PM
What exactly are ya gonna write about? Leitmotifs, harmonic analysis, melodic analysis, etc.?
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 05:58:48 PM
Perhaps your thesis could emphasize how resonant music is for like setting the mood or environment
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: InsigTurtle on April 22, 2017, 05:58:15 PMWhat exactly are ya gonna write about? Leitmotifs, harmonic analysis, melodic analysis, etc.?

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 22, 2017, 05:58:48 PMPerhaps your thesis could emphasize how resonant music is for like setting the mood or environment

my main thought is what noc said, but leitmotifs are going to play a role as well

for instance, here was my "case" for lapis cave: the entire piece shifts between two whole tone scales, emphasizing the kind of uprooting that is taking place at that time: there's no center of stability and even the basis of the whole tone scale shifts over time which would be reflecting the team's mental state at that point - in the span of a day they've been run out of town by former friends and made to run into the wilderness for the sake of survival and the shifting scales might reflect a shifting sense of "we can do it, we'll be fine, we'll find the truth" versus "BUT ALAKAZAM'S AFTER US TOO PANIC!!!" and no matter which mindset is present its still chaotic af
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on April 22, 2017, 06:11:40 PM
hmm, just ta give you more ideas, i guess you could also mention the melodic contour and such? like how in this one, the melody comes in punctuated bursts and has a rather jagged contour, further demonstrating the team's stress and unease? just seein' if presenting more detail like that will help get it accepted
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 06:16:59 PM
I plan to, that was just a rough overview of the kinds of things I'd talk about haha
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on April 22, 2017, 06:18:20 PM
I'd be thrilled to read a thesis on PMD music theory. But, even speaking thematically, don't you have a TON of material to work with? Even just one OST is ginormous and there's loads you can say about pretty much every track.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 22, 2017, 06:19:18 PM
idk how much space I'll have but for PMD i'd likely focus on dungeon themes, for PMD2 probably overworld/situational themes
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on April 22, 2017, 06:21:31 PM
Quote from: Bespinben on April 22, 2017, 05:33:13 PM>Notices people posting in dead thread; feels happy
>Notices it's the North American 9th anniversary of PMD2 Time/Darkness (as of April 20)
>Notices that no one else noticed and feels miffed
>Decides to make a poem

That's how you Bespinben.



nerd

jk, happy 9 years, explorers!
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on April 22, 2017, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: Bespinben on April 22, 2017, 05:33:13 PM>Notices people posting in dead thread; feels happy
>Notices it's the North American 9th anniversary of PMD2 Time/Darkness (as of April 20)
>Notices that no one else noticed and feels miffed
>Decides to make a poem

That's how you Bespinben.
ah geez it's been a while since I cried my eyes out over a video game for the first time xD I'd love to just play it over again, not realizing anything that's about to happen...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 07:50:22 PM
Ha you cried at the end I get to make fun of you
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Latios212 on April 22, 2017, 07:51:15 PM
Er, it should really go the other way around you heartless soul
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on April 22, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
sssh just ignore noc

I gotta finish my PMD replays... I probably will this summer.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on April 22, 2017, 09:02:19 PM
me too, i think i left all my replays in precarious plot points, so... i really need to get back to them

maybe i'll just restart my PSMD run, i want to do a run without my cyndaquil+snivy pair, buuuut... i've grown so attached to them, i don't know what other pokemon i'd pick
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 22, 2017, 09:02:59 PM
I'd recommend mudkip for easymode mudslap spam
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: cashwarrior1 on April 23, 2017, 04:11:33 AM
I'd say get Riolu because he looks cool in all the cutscenes.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 23, 2017, 09:11:42 AM
Riolu is so basic though
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Nebbles on April 23, 2017, 09:14:53 AM
Riolu bitchslapped Dialga into another dimension when I had him as a partner, so I second Riolu.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on April 23, 2017, 09:16:59 AM
Well if it comes down to Snivy vs. Riolu there's one obvious choice

(But I love them both, I used Riolu + Snivy both playthroughs)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 23, 2017, 03:47:34 PM
QuoteSoundtrack Review: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky by Arata Iiyoshi
(Acquired from NinSheetMusic forums)

This soundtrack is a bit of an oddity. I quite like it. The Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games have quite a cult following, and not only is the gameplay fun and addictive, the plotlines are moving and filled with twists. And the music is excellent. Here's the thing. The music is not very high quality. Most of it sounds like it could be from a GBA game. But the really surprising thing is the number of good quality compositions behind the low quality. And it's not like the music quality is AWFUL--it definitely gives the music a distinctive feel. Perhaps this style works best for this music.

I am not familiar with any of Iiyoshi's other works and to be honest I have not bothered to even look him up on Wikipedia before writing this review. So I am not sure if this is a first job for him, or what, but he shows a lot of ambition. At 141 tracks this album is longer than the Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire one by a good thirty tracks or so. And all the songs are carefully thought out. The problem is that while he shows ambition and has several really good compositions, so many of the dungeon themes suffer from a lack of memorability. So a lot of the tracks won't get a mention here.

There's a sense of brave and courageous adventure throughout the score, most blatantly in the main theme of the game, "Pokémon Exploration Team Theme." It uses brass to give a really happy and yet courageous feeling. I find it funny how Iiyoshi uses the theme with chimes and pizzicato strings in "Top Menu Theme" to make it more timid. You'd hardly recognize that it was the same motif. The same idea of adventure is expressed in "Mt. Horn" which has blaring brass and excessive timpani to convey a grand adventure. And "Temporal Tower" definitely sounds like a final showdown. The main theme is brought back in "Ending Theme" which makes an impact. A lot of the music is just on a grand scale, ahead of its time. "Northern Desert" has a sweepingly slow, lazy waltz that could really make someone sway with the music. Another example is the surprisingly dangerous "Dark Hill" which manages to leave an impact. The three that really leave an impact as being powerful are "Through the Sea of Time" which despite its brevity might leave you in tears, "Time Gear" which arranges the theme into a 3/4 tempo, and "In the Hands of Fate" which is the Time Gear theme on a smaller scale--using mainly chimes. It's worth noting that "Dialga's Fight to the Finish!" uses a similar idea.

There are also some pieces that really showcase the lighter side of the orchestra. "On the Beach at Dusk" conveys a serene happiness that gives me chills, despite the simplicity. There's also the adorable, sleepy "Goodnight" which is nostalgic and moving. "Waterfall Cave" might surprise you in its moodiness for a dungeon theme. It's pretty mellow and serene. The simple happiness in "At the End of the Day" is cute and smile-inducing, while "Defend Globe" is so heartfelt that it's almost ridiculous to be in a video game. The elegance in "Treeshroud Forest" and the quiet beauty in "Hidden Land" is hypnotic. The "Hidden Highland" is surprisingly dark but still is one of the more beautiful pieces on the album--again sounding more like a film score. The ticking in "Temporal Spire" is reflective and moody. And several of the ending tracks are downright tear-jerking. "Don't Ever Forget..." is quite poignant and sorrowful, as are the few tracks that follow it, setting up the ending theme brilliantly. "In the Morning Sun" is similar. "In the Nightmare" is beautiful and also a bit chilling. "Steam Cave" is pretty much the definition of moody music, with a relentless slap bass in the background playing the same incessant note throughout.

That's not to say the soundtrack doesn't have its playful moments. Often these are a highlight. From the wacky, off-kilter "Spinda's Café" to the laid-back fun of "Marowak Dojo," the playful tracks really add some fun to the album without detracting from the beauty in other tracks. "Treasure Town" is a cute Irish jig "Guildmaster Wigglytuff" manages to be silly and still be quite an impressive piece, while "Team Skull" suggests Skunktank's fumes through dissonant and creepy chords which are also quite fun. "Apple Woods" is a quiet waltz, bouncy and serene. Elsewhere, "Outlaw!" lets loose in full-blown chaos. The chimes in "Cave and Side Path" are quite fun to hear, with minimal percussion before it gets to other instruments scattering around chaotically. The mystery and sway of "Foggy Forest" and "Crystal Crossing" will most likely captivate you. Two really playful tracks despite their overlying creepiness are found in "Dusk Forest" and "Deep Forest" with its tempo which is bouncy, devilish and impish. "Shaymin Village" is also quite fun with a slow, happy waltz tempo. The excellent Tiny Woods remix in "Murky Forest" is as threatening and creepily happy as always; always good for a listen. There are always the relentless bongo drums in "Southern Jungle" which make me think the player is being chased by cannibals or something. "Team Charm's Theme" really brings a rockin' atmosphere in a theme song for the trio led by Lopunny.

Overall, Iiyoshi shows a lot of diversity, though most of the dungeon themes are stereotypical video game music--catchy and brief, with little memorability. Download if you're into that kind of thing, or if you think the really moving tracks are worth a download. Overall not bad.

Rating: *****

Track listing (excellent tracks in red):
1. Pokémon Exploration Team Theme
2. Top Menu Theme
3. Welcome to the World of Pokémon!
4. On the Beach at Dusk
5. Beach Cave
6. In the Depths of the Pit
7. Title Theme
8. Wigglytuff's Guild
9. Guildmaster Wigglytuff
10. Goodnight
11. Wigglytuff's Guild Remix
12. Drenched Bluff
13. Job Clear!
14. Treasure Town
15. Heartwarming
16. Growing Anxiety
17. Oh No!
18. Mt. Bristle
19. Boss Battle!
20. Time Gear Remix
21. The Gatekeepers
22. Outlaw!
23. I Saw Something Again...
24. Waterfall Cave
25. Kecleon's Shop
26. Team Skull
27. Spinda's Café
28. Ludicolo Dance
29. Apple Woods
30. Craggy Coast
31. Cave and Side Path
32. Mt. Horn
33. Foggy Forest
34. Steam Cave
35. Upper Steam Cave
36. Amp Plains
37. Far Amp Plains
38. Monster House!
39. Rising Fear
40. Northern Desert
41. Quicksand Cave
42. Quicksand Pit
43. Crystal Cave
44. Crystal Crossing
45. At the End of the Day
46. In the Future
47. Planet's Paralysis
48. Chasm Cave
49. Dark Hill
50. Sealed Ruin
51. Sealed Ruin Pit
52. Dusk Forest
53. Deep Dusk Forest
54. The Power of Darkness
55. Treeshroud Forest
56. Brine Cave
57. Lower Brine Cave
58. Hidden Land
59. Hidden Highland
60. Battle Against Dusknoir
61. Time Gear
62. Through the Sea of Time
63. In the Hands of Fate
64. Temporal Tower
65. Temporal Spire
66. Temporal Pinnacle
67. Down a Dark Path
68. Dialga's Fight to the Finish!
69. Time Restored
70. Don't Ever Forget...
71. Have to Get Home
72. Farther Away...
73. A Wish for Peace
74. Memories Returned
75. Ending Theme Intro
76. Ending Theme
77. Epilogue Theme
78. Mystifying Forest
79. Do Your Best, as Always!
80. Shaymin Village
81. Sky Peak Forest
82. Sky Peak Cave
83. Sky Peak Prairie
84. Sky Peak Coast
85. Sky Peak Snowfield
86. Sky Peak Final Pass
87. Blizzard Island Rescue Team Medley
88. Surrounded Sea
89. Miracle Sea
90. Aegis Cave
91. Defy the Legends
92. Concealed Ruins
93. Mt. Travail
94. In the Nightmare
95. Palkia's Onslaught!
96. Dark Crater
97. Deep Dark Crater
98. Random Dungeon Theme 1
99. Random Dungeon Theme 2
100. Random Dungeon Theme 3
101. Marowak Dojo
102. Pelipper Island
103. Sympathy
104. Beyond the Dream
105. Air of Unease
106. Star Cave
107. Deep Star Cave
108. One for All, All for One!
109. Murky Forest
110. A Fun Exploration
111. Fortune Ravine
112. Fortune Ravine Depths
113. It Can't Be...
114. Defend Globe
115. Defend Globe (Ending)
116. Spring Cave
117. Lower Spring Cave
118. Spring Cave Depths
119. Here Comes Team Charm!
120. Southern Jungle
121. Boulder Quarry
122. Illusion Stone Chamber
123. Limestone Cavern
124. Deep Limestone Cavern
125. Team Charm's Theme
126. For a New Life
127. Barren Valley
128. Dark Wasteland
129. Spacial Cliffs
130. Dark Ice Mountain
131. Living Spirit
132. Icicle Forest
133. Proud Achievement
134. Vast Ice Mountain
135. Vast Ice Mountain Peak
136. In the Morning Sun
137. A New World
138. It's Not a Miracle
139. Thoughts for Friends
140. A Message on the Wind
141. Life Goes On! (Ending)
This was done by Dusk.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Maelstrom on April 23, 2017, 03:59:30 PM
Augh at least put a spoiler tag on a quote that big next time
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 23, 2017, 04:02:15 PM
THAT'S NOT A THESIS EITHER
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 23, 2017, 04:19:58 PM
Bro maybe you're a bit confused.  Alti is in grad school and is working in her graduate thesis.  In middle school a thesis essay is expected to be 5 paragraphs long but her thesis is the real deal and is more than just a soundtrack review lol
Lol "someone has beaten you to your thesis"
I'm cracking up
Sorry
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 23, 2017, 04:53:50 PM
Um that's a review that I wrote. Like three or four years ago.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 23, 2017, 05:19:16 PM
Shit you're right
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 23, 2017, 07:09:50 PM
And it was really bad

But it would still piss me off if Dusk was claiming credit like what
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 24, 2017, 05:58:55 AM
(OK going back to a previous topic) I always had my partner as Charmander. I myself was Riolu.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 24, 2017, 06:34:38 AM
Can you just tell me why you pasted that and where you got it from and not change the topic
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on April 24, 2017, 06:39:31 AM
yeah tbh im curious now too :x
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on April 24, 2017, 08:01:50 AM
It does say "acquired from NinSheetMusic forums" so the place he got it from isn't exactly claiming credit
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 24, 2017, 08:58:43 AM
I'm not angry I'm just genuinely curious and a little baffled (again that was so long ago I hardly remember writing it and a lot of my opinions have changed)
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 24, 2017, 09:23:08 AM
I was either searching for the song "Icicle Forest" or "Dark Wasteland". Mby Vast Ice Mountain. Idk. One of those three.

Anyways, so as I was looking for one of those songs, I came across that.  I read it. I enjoyed it. 10/10 critique.
(Btw, I still haven't found any piano sheet music for Icicle Forest or Dark Wasteland.)
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Post by: mikey on April 24, 2017, 10:00:29 AM
If you haven't found any yet NinSheetMusic will probably be the first place to have it
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mastersuperfan on April 24, 2017, 12:02:10 PM
Well nobody ever listened to the Dark Wasteland music long enough to care because the dungeon was only four floors long /s
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 24, 2017, 12:11:53 PM
@mastersuperfan: Yeah, but I listened to it long enough to care.  It sounds freakin' epic.
@NocturneOfShadow: I have been looking on NSM and Musescore.  Nothing on either.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: AmpharosAndy on April 24, 2017, 12:23:45 PM
I spent hours upon hours listening to everything on the sky jukebox. I didn't even listen to half of the tracks in my original playthroughs. Dark wasteland included.
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Post by: SpartanChief17 on April 24, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
@AmpharosAndy: I actually used Sky Jukebox to study at one point or another.  That later became more of a distraction, because I would try to envision each song in piano form as they played. It was actually kinda scary how obsessed I became with it lol.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on May 09, 2017, 06:58:02 AM
so for my LP over on Smogon I'm looking for people to give me missions with a Kings Rock or Leaf Stone reward. I've gotten 3 missions, I need 2 more: one Leaf Stone and one Kings Rock. If you want to be ~a part of history~ go use this generator (http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/games/dungeon/guides/wondermail.php.html) to make me a mission (it has to be a leaf stone or a kings rock reward) and feel free to pick my poison for what kind of mission it is! my pokermans are over level 90 so basically anything goes lmao
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Post by: Trainer Ave on May 09, 2017, 08:13:49 AM
Here you go

S?2W XQT? ?P+7
16?K 6646 P+?W

This is for a King's Rock
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: SpartanChief17 on May 09, 2017, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: Altissimo on May 09, 2017, 06:58:02 AM......my pokermans are over level 90 so basically anything goes lmao
That's adorable! lol
My main character (a Lucario) and my partner (a Charizard) are both level 100, and I also have a lvl. 100 Mewtwo on my team as well. (btw, this is on PMD: EoS)
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Post by: mikey on May 09, 2017, 09:43:04 AM
Quote from: SpartanChief17 on May 09, 2017, 09:00:24 AMThat's adorable! lol
My main character (a Lucario) and my partner (a Charizard) are both level 100, and I also have a lvl. 100 Mewtwo on my team as well. (btw, this is on PMD: EoS)
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on May 10, 2017, 05:48:37 AM
Quote from: BoywithoutaFairy on May 09, 2017, 08:13:49 AMHere you go

S?2W XQT? ?P+7
16?K 6646 P+?W

This is for a King's Rock

It actually says it's for a Friend Area...
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Trainer Ave on May 10, 2017, 07:25:09 AM
F?-W XW.? ?P+H
F6?K 6666 J+?W

Fixed.
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on May 12, 2017, 10:59:14 PM
Quote from: BoywithoutaFairy on May 10, 2017, 07:25:09 AMF?-W XW.? ?P+H
F6?K 6666 J+?W

Fixed.

The new update is up, which includes your mission: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lets-catch-em-all-in-pok%C3%A9mon-mystery-dungeon-part-26-up-wish-cave-1.3591493/page-4#post-7352381
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: Altissimo on September 30, 2017, 08:18:13 AM
I haven't posted it here yet but I started my Explorers of Sky LP on Smogon http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/lets-catch-em-all-in-pmd-explorers-of-sky-part-5-apple-woods.3613906/
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: InsigTurtle on September 30, 2017, 07:47:09 PM
Man, you've made more progress with yours than I could ever hope for :P
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 09, 2020, 09:17:20 AM
it's brittney bitch

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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on January 09, 2020, 10:16:11 AM
download the demo RN, there's enough content for it to be played in more than one sitting
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 09, 2020, 02:58:49 PM
speak for yourself

I played all the missions I was allowed to and even used all my Dojo Tickets :(
Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: braix on January 23, 2020, 09:41:51 AM
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botw, smash ultimate, sword and shield

impulse buys bad, practice self control

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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: mikey on January 23, 2020, 02:54:35 PM
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Title: Re: General Pokémon Mystery Dungeon
Post by: AmpharosAndy on March 07, 2020, 08:23:23 AM
Can relate braix :P