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Title: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 14, 2014, 01:48:07 PM
Why didn't I know about this until now?
The best thing is I can actually collect em now cause I have a job :D
Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.brickset.com%2FLEGO-Bionicle-2015-21_20140726.jpg&hash=f5b066db928d3ff1a7c870d1b12f5a5e1131f95e)
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Also yeah post here if you played with bionicles as a kid

Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fth01.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2F200H%2Ff%2F2014%2F227%2F7%2F2%2Fbionicle_hype_train_banner_by_kaibagal-d7vbvga.jpg&hash=daf7c6e55ce2d94b27717e306a8883dec08903be)
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GET HYPE

Spoiler
http://thebrickblogger.com/2014/08/the-return-of-lego-bionicle-in-2015/
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Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dude on September 14, 2014, 02:34:00 PM
キモイ(笑)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 14, 2014, 02:56:38 PM
I remember those :P I have a few of them still I think
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 14, 2014, 04:34:42 PM
Fan image of what Tahu might look like
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff39%2F11%2F38%2F62%2F55%2Ftahu2k12.png&hash=c0646b98f7e788f9a13926010445a62fe8bf3d75)
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Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
Holy shet this is coming back? Bionicle was the shit! I had all of the comics! (Must find them...hope I still have them...)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 14, 2014, 05:08:58 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 14, 2014, 04:34:42 PM
Fan image of what Tahu might look like
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.servimg.com%2Fu%2Ff39%2F11%2F38%2F62%2F55%2Ftahu2k12.png&hash=c0646b98f7e788f9a13926010445a62fe8bf3d75)
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op'd
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on September 14, 2014, 05:44:47 PM
Eh. I loved how the originals looked, but some hero factory stuff looks terrible. let me find some pics...
Got 'em
Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flego.brickinstructions.com%2F08000%2F8733%2F001.jpg&hash=d7d2690ffb5f39e4c49659b0f49ebc577f498b72)
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1000steine.com%2Fbrickset%2Fimages%2F44021-1.jpg&hash=68a84e4efba90ba3c12ceb079d700b1bccbb0de7)
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Not much of a comparison. :P
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 14, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
Hype time. (http://ttvpodcast.com/post/97506243822/bionicle-2015-set-images-leaked-today-weve-got)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on September 14, 2014, 06:19:18 PM
As much as I want to like it, it looks like a hero factory re-skin.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 14, 2014, 06:53:33 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 14, 2014, 06:10:33 PMHype time. (http://ttvpodcast.com/post/97506243822/bionicle-2015-set-images-leaked-today-weve-got)
Hey look! Someone else watches TTV!
Quote from: maelstrom. on September 14, 2014, 06:19:18 PMAs much as I want to like it, it looks like a hero factory re-skin.
I hate how people keep saying "oh look hero factory pieces therefore hero factory reskin." IMO, Hero Factory was a series of tests by LEGO to find a better constraction method than what they had been using. They just made a new series so that they could have free reign over their building style without incurring fan backlash.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on September 14, 2014, 07:02:24 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on September 14, 2014, 06:53:33 PMI hate how people keep saying "oh look hero factory pieces therefore hero factory reskin." IMO, Hero Factory was a series of tests by LEGO to find a better construction method than what they had been using. They just made a new series so that they could have free reign over their building style without incurring fan backlash.
But the thing is, I loved the previous building system. This one makes it easier to use near identical frames just with different armor plating. There was really nothing wrong with the original system. I guess lego realized they were spending a lot on a massive amount of new molds.  :P
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 14, 2014, 07:11:07 PM
Worthy of note:
- Onua appears to have a gear system (see those yellow things on his back?).
- The Protector of Earth appears to have the launcher-weapon (good to see they're continuing on with that :P) embedded in its chest.
- Some sets (Pohatu and Kopaka, not sure if there are any more) have the piece used for Guurahk's Staff of Disintegration.
- The armor of some of the protectors resembles the original Mata/Nuva body piece.
- Personal speculation: The skull spiders will fit on the faces à la Krana.
- Personal speculation/observation: Gali's weapon resembles a giant version of her Nuva weapons, as does Kopaka's/Tahu's weapon. Lewa has two axes.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 09:28:38 PM
I'd put down some money for that Kopaka damn. I don't even care how weird it will be going into a toysrus shopping for myself at this age xD

Wait why is this topic in he gaming board?
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 15, 2014, 03:23:17 AM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 09:28:38 PMI'd put down some money for that Kopaka damn. I don't even care how weird it will be going into a toysrus shopping for myself at this age xD

Wait why is this topic in he gaming board?
Okay I'm 99% sure I put it in the off topic board
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: braix on September 15, 2014, 04:58:57 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on September 15, 2014, 03:23:17 AMOkay I'm 99% sure I put it in the off topic board
nope
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 15, 2014, 06:44:41 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on September 15, 2014, 03:23:17 AMOkay I'm 99% sure I put it in the off topic board

That 1% says otherwise lol
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 15, 2014, 06:03:06 PM
IN CASE PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE!
The Protector sets are $10 each.
Lewa, Gali, Pohatu, and Skull Krata are $15 each.
Tahu, Kopaka, and Onua are $20 each.
That's $180 in total if you want to collect them all.
Thanks, LEGO.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 15, 2014, 06:30:00 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on September 15, 2014, 06:03:06 PMIN CASE PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE!
The Protector sets are $10 each.
Lewa, Gali, Pohatu, and Skull Krata are $15 each.
Tahu, Kopaka, and Onua are $20 each.
That's $180 in total if you want to collect them all.
Thanks, LEGO.
Worth
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 15, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
Not a problem for someone with money.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 15, 2014, 06:42:34 PM
I'll probably just get Lewa and Kopaka for... personal reasons.
Maybe Tahu if I'm feeling spendy.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 15, 2014, 08:33:59 PM
Damn, I bought Kopaka back in 2001 for $6.99, and now they want $20?

Well I'll take two please.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 15, 2014, 11:55:33 PM
Slightly off-topic: any chance we'll see Cryoshell come back to do music again?
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: braix on September 16, 2014, 04:47:59 AM
I've only bought like two bionicles. I kinda fell out of the whole thing.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 19, 2014, 02:47:41 PM
Bionicle 2015 has officially been confirmed; it was also revealed that the mask (http://s3.transloadit.com.s3.amazonaws.com/7b0e6b7a533a4406bf256d40b524f923/media/video/3f/9183c0400611e48a30831d170ab808/Bionicle-mask-video.mp4) they will be pursuing is the Mask of Creation (Artakha's mask). Also, something about "masks of power" is mentioned.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on September 19, 2014, 04:21:39 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 19, 2014, 02:47:41 PMBionicle 2015 has officially been confirmed; it was also revealed that the mask (http://s3.transloadit.com.s3.amazonaws.com/7b0e6b7a533a4406bf256d40b524f923/media/video/3f/9183c0400611e48a30831d170ab808/Bionicle-mask-video.mp4) they will be pursuing is the Mask of Creation (Artakha's mask). Also, something about "masks of power" is mentioned.
I always thought Artakha's mask would look a lot more menacing and ancient.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 19, 2014, 09:19:27 PM
Oh man, I can't wait to get back into the storyline.  They did such a good job with it, I'm so excited to see it continue
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 20, 2014, 04:24:44 PM
PLEASE DON'T BE A REBOOT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 25, 2014, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on September 20, 2014, 04:24:44 PMPLEASE DON'T BE A REBOOT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
It's probably going to be. :P

Also, some things to share (all found on /r/bioniclelego):
New Kopaka in Classic Style
http://i.imgur.com/fTw7aaN.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/fTw7aaN.jpg)
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CCBS Teridax
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUxpC8CC.jpg&hash=778fab0db9bb7bc84135c3238b3d7c7efb8da4de)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkNcznK5.jpg&hash=8a5dfb65dab3c6c5bca0c4615aecd2bdc5ead8ec)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F87dGxP7.jpg&hash=cef3abacf226ed7da9b7d9bf3e5e615acd93032d)
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Mahri Nuparu Remake
http://i.imgur.com/zNmTqcV.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/zNmTqcV.jpg)
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Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 25, 2014, 07:59:31 PM
Yeah...now that I think about it, a reboot makes more sense at this point. There're just so many loose ends that I want tied up...*sigh*

But dang. Those are some amazing builds.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 25, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
I DON'T REALLY CARE CUZ IT'LL STILL BE AMAXING
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on September 26, 2014, 07:57:11 PM
https://www.facebook.com/LEGOBionicle/posts/1505638736343871
Lego added some concept art.
And this:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10302739_1505638476343897_5576289417264140804_n.jpg?oh=e3f6d7ad9a741401b66fa564aa26bf9c&oe=54BBF378&__gda__=1422282817_f5858ebc905b4d2061983e415b4229fe)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 27, 2014, 08:42:52 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclelego/comments/2hmuf9/i_just_saw_the_bionicle_pages_on_the_2015 (http://www.reddit.com/r/bioniclelego/comments/2hmuf9/i_just_saw_the_bionicle_pages_on_the_2015)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 28, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIsx6-MyV0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIsx6-MyV0w)

Double post for great justice. I guess you could say... it's just2good.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on September 28, 2014, 04:42:16 PM
Most of those are as ugly as hell. Kopeka looks good though.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 28, 2014, 08:26:58 PM
Really? I think they look fairly okay. WHAT IS WITH THAT HAU, THOUGH?! DID TAHU GO ON AN EATING BINGE OR SOMETHING?!
Also, Gali's spear is soooooooooooo underwhelming now. Why didn't they keep the prototype version?
What's interesting is the blatant lack of Onua. You'd think they'd have finished the largest set. Maybe the gears are creating problems...
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 28, 2014, 08:55:03 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on September 28, 2014, 08:26:58 PMAlso, Gali's spear is soooooooooooo underwhelming now. Why didn't they keep the prototype version?
They did... look at Gali's feet.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 29, 2014, 03:47:22 AM
Getting kopaka
looks awesome
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 29, 2014, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 28, 2014, 08:55:03 PMThey did... look at Gali's feet.
Whoa! Totally missed that! Thanks! Good to see the "transport" abilities of the weapons may be returning. I loved that in the Nuva and Metru sets.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on October 08, 2014, 07:48:41 PM
High resolution pictures of Onua (http://imgur.com/pf3cSWB,GC4yJOR#0). He can use pieces from his hammer as digging claws. Also, there are more finalized images (http://33.media.tumblr.com/41b37098e597cb44cc0e8492f1656b22/tumblr_nd5a8kJRX91rta9m4o1_400.jpg) showing functions (such as Pohatu riding on his boomerangs, Tahu using the huge blades as weapons, etc.)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on October 08, 2014, 07:49:43 PM
Woah, he's...
fat.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on October 09, 2014, 07:13:34 PM
MUCH UPDATES. SUCH HYPE.

- Video of the Protectors. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SvhMWhxwF8&app=desktop)
- NYCC Panel... with a transparent Tahu mask! :o (http://brickset.com/article/12666/nycc-lego-panel-about-to-begin)
- Official website updated with characters. (http://www.lego.com/en-gb/bionicle)
- More pictures! (http://imgur.com/a/Coy18#6=0)
- NYCC Video. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcLqk4zhIqs) Better quality video. (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1510717302502681&set=vb.1472651449642600&type=2&theater)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on October 10, 2014, 09:24:09 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 09, 2014, 07:13:34 PMMUCH UPDATES. SUCH HYPE.

- Video of the Protectors. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SvhMWhxwF8&app=desktop)Hm... okay.
- NYCC Panel... with a transparent Tahu mask! :o (http://brickset.com/article/12666/nycc-lego-panel-about-to-begin)Wat YES
- Official website updated with characters. (http://www.lego.com/en-gb/bionicle)NO WAY SUCH HYPE
- More pictures! (http://imgur.com/a/Coy18#6=0)BLOWIN' ME MIND HERE DOC
- NYCC Video. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcLqk4zhIqs) SAWEEET[/b]v=1510717302502681&set=vb.1472651449642600&type=2&theater]Better quality video. (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?%5Bb)SAWEEET in HD
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on October 21, 2014, 06:11:15 PM
There's a contest going on. (http://rebrick.lego.com/en-US/BottomMenu/Blog/~/media/C92C080FFB7840DB85AAC62D1BC2B526.ashx) Needless to say, I will be entering it.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on November 27, 2014, 03:55:56 AM
Finally finished my entry, took pictures of it, and submitted it.

Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F0COmTaL.jpg&hash=bd4b2d4f16f561eff1bac896e8278705bf8207b3)

"Many ages ago, this being was known as Vorpal, Arbiter of Justice. However, a chance encounter with the Mask of Ultimate Power twisted his spirit and turned him into Vorpal, Seeker of Chaos. This creature flies around the island of Okoto, once more seeking the Mask of Ultimate Power. His former apprentice, Roland, now the current Arbiter of Justice, seeks him out in an attempt to return him to his former form."
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The torso, the thing that inspired the whole creation, is made from the combination of a Hordika torso, Makuta Phantoka torso, and Piraka torso. I had trouble with the legs at first- originally, Vorpal was going to be a spider-like creature (to draw a comparison with the Skull Spiders), but after I found out that the legs couldn't hold him up (the compact torso makes it top-heavy), I had to get really creative (the Rahkshi pieces add bulk to the bottom part of the legs, which are twisted at weird angles, though it's hard to tell from the picture). The arm pieces that connect to the outside of the legs were originally separate arms; however, although they worked well with the original spider concept, they didn't with the current form. Instead of removing them completely (they cover up axles that would otherwise stick out), I just added two more pieces and attached them to the legs (meaning that the legs are attached to the torso at a grand total of three places on each side).
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on November 27, 2014, 04:50:19 AM
^Nice. I don't think I could build something like that.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on November 27, 2014, 08:51:10 PM
*hurriedly digs through old photographs of bionicles*

I've actually made a few really really awesome ones in the past but I don't think I'll have enough time to recreate one D:
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on November 27, 2014, 09:18:07 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on November 27, 2014, 08:51:10 PM*hurriedly digs through old photographs of bionicles*

I've actually made a few really really awesome ones in the past but I don't think I'll have enough time to recreate one D:
I don't think you need to make a new one, as long as it's a villain.

I had to dig through quite a lot of my sets to make Vorpal (some of the older pieces are actually starting to crack in certain places- oops!); normally, that's something I'd be reluctant to do, but this time, it was for a good cause. :P I'll definitely post more pictures later, but yesterday, my brother needed the camera (I had to take the picture myself, which I usually don't do, because he was getting upset about the background/angle- that's a gaming chair in the background, along with some pillows to cover up wires).
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 19, 2014, 03:19:18 PM
Double post. Winner were announced (http://rebrick.lego.com/en-US/BottomMenu/Blog/12192014-bionicle-semi-finalists.aspx), and I must say.... eh. Out of all the winners, I think  Terror Bite is the most creative/original (that dinosaur head :D)- and maybe Makuta Nakken- and the only one that doesn't just look like a messy conglomeration of parts.

That brings me to another gripe, with Bionicle MOC contests in general: most people seem to prefer MOCs that are essentially just "a messy conglomeration of parts," rather than ones that actually look like Bionicles. Some people, like this guy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ahava516/), can do that style of MOC extremely well (having enough parts to have significant detail, yet not enough to look cluttered or disorganized- looking more refined, like fine art), but overall, I feel that those type of MOCs are just the "Oh, neat" or "Wow! Look at what that person did" kind-of thing (if you understand what I'm saying), rather than epitomizing the style of Bionicle (which I feel should be the main criteria for judging a Bionicle MOC contest).

In addition, having an innate preference for such MOCs immediately cuts out a good majority of people entering the contest, who simply don't have enough matching pieces to make something like that. I can understand if they want to hold a "Master Builder" contest for the best MOC-builders to duke it out in a public display of awesome Bionicle extravagance, but when they have a contest open to everybody, I must say that it's a bit of a letdown to have a vast majority of fans be instantly excluded from the beginning. For example, when you also have things like this (http://imgur.com/a/2pjjZ) that are really creepy and awesome, but are overlooked simply because they aren't done a certain way, it becomes unfair to every participant.

I'd like to see a Bionicle contest with a size/piece limit, though I doubt it will ever happen.

This rant became much larger than it started out being.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on December 19, 2014, 03:24:07 PM
I totally agree with you though man.  I (read: my brother) only have about 1k pieces so it's pretty hard to make the kind of things they're making.  They also used regular LEGO parts, which makes it seem kinda iffy.  But yeah the first 2 basically look like LEGO sculptures, not bionicles, and I would have to agree that the third one is probably the coolest.  The other 2 are lame.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on December 19, 2014, 04:26:34 PM
Personally, I disagree. It WAS unfair for people who had the skill to make scaled down villains, but I love MOCs with incredible attention to detail. You'd probably hate this, but this is one of my favorites:
Spoiler
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3062/2986616240_a8a211d482.jpg)
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As you can see, it uses random details to create a unique feel. I don't feel like all MOCs should be like this, but it's nice once in a while. Nakken is easily the most creative. Akutan is nice because it IS a amalgamation of parts, and it forms a cohesive whole that looks both impressive and up close. I will admit it has too many parts, but I do like it's head.  :P
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 19, 2014, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 19, 2014, 04:26:34 PMPersonally, I disagree. It WAS unfair for people who had the skill to make scaled down villains, but I love MOCs with incredible attention to detail. You'd probably hate this, but this is one of my favorites:
Spoiler
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3062/2986616240_a8a211d482.jpg)
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I do like MOCs with detail (including the Exo Suit, which is actually a product now, although redone to be more stable), but as I said, it takes a certain level of finesse to pull it off right, and even then, the models are more of an "spectacle" thing (this applies more to Bionicle than System, since greebling and other intricacies can be achieved with smaller pieces).

My main point is that they shouldn't give everybody a hope at winning when they have an apparent bias towards a certain type of MOC that not everybody is able to make (because of sheer amount of pieces). Either they should restrict the entrants, or give everybody a fair chance.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on December 19, 2014, 08:01:09 PM
Bionicles are to play with
if they're fragile you can't play with em
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 30, 2014, 06:49:56 PM
After a visit to Target, I came out with Lewa and the Protector of Jungle. OH YEAH.

PSA: Target restocks on Tuesdays.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on December 30, 2014, 06:50:41 PM
SHOOT I JUST SPENT MY MONEY
NEXT PAYCHECK THOUGH
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 15, 2015, 07:36:21 PM
I got the Protector of Water at Toysrus, and Gali/Pohatu at SUPER Target. Gali is A+ (the giant weapon is awesome for posing), and Pohatu is pretty great as well, despite being the smallest of the Toa.

Now, time for MOCs I found:
Gali Nuva Revamp (http://imgur.com/a/bs1Rp)
Gakuri - Protector of Magic (https://www.flickr.com/photos/54547784@N04/15487364171)
Whale (https://www.flickr.com/photos/retinence/15504909915/)
Birdish Creature (https://www.flickr.com/photos/retinence/15314119459/)
Shaman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/54547784@N04/15504198905) and more (https://www.flickr.com/photos/54547784@N04/15503827502).
Tahu Mistika Revamp (http://40.media.tumblr.com/3dd6a769e919bed3f7924e9eb661d4d2/tumblr_n5gzbsm9Ut1rkpnbdo2_1280.png)
Gali Mistika Revamp (http://41.media.tumblr.com/a9ced7b67f85d0cab64af9dec5fe4322/tumblr_n5gzbsm9Ut1rkpnbdo3_1280.png)

also this topic should really be moved somebody please
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 15, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
how are you even getting bionicles?
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 15, 2015, 07:45:00 PM
With money.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 15, 2015, 08:01:57 PM
They're not out yet
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 15, 2015, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 15, 2015, 07:39:48 PMhow are you even getting bionicles?
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F012%2F978%2Fimages_%282%29.jpg&hash=bba604389f5d1f0a63700ab29fa3bfd654b8cf4a)
Quote from: Dudeman on January 15, 2015, 07:45:00 PMWith money gift cards.
Our local Toysrus barely had anything (plus we were like the only people there when we went), but according to the employees, they restock on Saturdays. Going on/the day after restock days really helps.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 15, 2015, 08:01:57 PMThey're not out yet
they came out on the 1st

and some stores even released them early
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 15, 2015, 08:12:43 PM
So my store is just eternally out of stock then
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 15, 2015, 08:13:58 PM
You could always look these things up, you know. You have the internet.


Anyway, it's been ages, but I'm thinking about picking up Kopaka tomorrow if I come across it at the store ^^
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 15, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
What is this...in-TER-net...you speak of?

If I get any, I'll probably get Pohatu. He was always my favorite. :)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 15, 2015, 08:28:15 PM
When I looked it up they said release would occur in february.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Olimar12345 on January 15, 2015, 08:53:08 PM
welp. you were wrong, apparently.

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Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 15, 2015, 09:11:42 PM
You mean the internet was wrong  ::)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 15, 2015, 09:20:32 PM
Wait...you mean I can't trust everything I read on teh interwebs? MY LIFE IS A LIE

im not trying to make fun of you noc i swear
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 15, 2015, 09:36:23 PM
Unlike most people on the internet I have a high tolerance for being the butt of jokes (usually)  ;D
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 20, 2015, 09:46:17 PM
10/10 Story (http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/16897-the-kaita-and-the-storyteller/)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 20, 2015, 10:00:59 PM
Out of something that was supposed to be a joke they made a story almost as well as greg farshtey
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 20, 2015, 10:09:12 PM
is this a story you are writing
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 23, 2015, 05:31:49 PM
Oooooh!

Preliminary pictures for Summer 2015 sets (http://www.brickberries.ru/novosti-lego/lego-bionicle-2015-summer-sets-revealed-foto-novinok-leta-lego-bionicle/).

EDIT: Ekimu's shield looks like a sawblade with a "satellite-dish" piece on it. Remind you of anything? (http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/DragonMaster48/BIONICLE/ToaSavage/toa_rodgert__warrior_of_ice_3.png) :P
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 27, 2015, 02:53:55 PM
I'm gonna check my store again today to see if bionicles came
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 27, 2015, 05:24:57 PM
Summer 2015 Sets
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FTreZgm1.jpg&hash=17d647d87baf18b91c4e83445533f9d88e7268c1)

MFW Dual-Color Masks
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc07.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2010%2F294%2Fd%2F9%2Fmata_nui_fsjal_by_galvaridarts-d318tld.png&hash=0983700a90b2761363e476d95a746952d262fb48)
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Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on January 27, 2015, 05:33:15 PM
meh. Kopeka is still the only one who resembles the Bionicles of old.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 27, 2015, 06:55:59 PM
HYPE

Okoto-verse Bionicle doesn't need to look like Mata-verse Bionicle imo.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on January 27, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
Guys my store had them!
Only I couldn't afford them at MSRP because I didn't have enough cash on me at the time...
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 27, 2015, 09:45:29 PM
I'm really, really happy that Bionicle is selling so well. I think LEGO was concerned that rebooting the franchise would kill a lot of the hype, but with the sales as they are, they might extend past their three-year plan!
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 29, 2015, 03:45:01 PM
More Summer 2015 pictures, sorted for your convenience.

Boxes
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvuleLdz.png&hash=8444b6345ba3d5d9e1d71a29799630756875b806)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUiDI2ix.png&hash=f1a80e2979359c300217f494ebe896ec1f0cee64)
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Skull Warrior
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F6VrSMb7.png&hash=0c14d7a27dbd8fc5c5027ac2e4cdf8e7b7e5fda1)
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Skull Slicer
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FsAX00TG.png&hash=5bf9f2b00c73feba6c704d6b2c9adf56717c87ce)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWmLDPGL.png&hash=338667d3f46a3c284cee1267f5c0f040d54c68d3)
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Skull Basher
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7tiI0gl.jpg&hash=6ad2edb61f87279331d3f0c8ab93891dfcf6becf)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FG4wpI0d.png&hash=20a385b622e1f1d9b1c40ee8c72d7d8118f5e5a1)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FUuK6TPf.png&hash=50cfe882f20133037d931e0c5e9e8385a2fe0f9b)
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Skull Scorpio
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhRXef8x.png&hash=4861e197de6abffee301e652f460fcdadaad6bc8)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOZuQi04.png&hash=eac0e45c82718c550cb19d5a4f74f36213d4eb42)
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Ekimu
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqJ3SGSM.jpg&hash=86d4e4ec7b8e90ce6d7324b8d4d3b88092394457)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOMXXmjX.png&hash=676a014393ff87088109313aa571a845b35b7e22)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuAnUiti.png&hash=37fbab87569e6581926e753ff70e04bc92655e26)
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Skull Grinder
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQNrvJaY.png&hash=48a19ed4e7efad69020b1aec91961150963c118b)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fr75h9lv.png&hash=053506175376efc48b3f04500f4d363517327426)
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There's also this video. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBi0Hx3RGoM)

Interesting Observations
- Mask Maker vs. Skull Grinder seems to come in a regular box, like the old titans.

- Red eye piece.

- Silver torsos. These are good because they appear to make the unused ball joints less apparent.

- New pieces to simulate bones. They look like they might be fragile, but I trust they'll stay strong through regular building.

- Skull Warrior and Skull Slicer seem to have inconsistent armoring and lopsided appearance (Skull Slicer's shoulder armor, for example), either to simulate a ragged-undead-warrior style of enemies... or somebody put the pieces on wrong. :P

- Skull Slicer's "friction gears" are bigger, possibly as a way to enable multiple arms not connected to the same joint.

- Skull Basher has horns coming out of his head, and seems to have a lot going on back at the gearbox (assuming it even uses a gearbox... I can't really tell because of the angle).

- Skull Scorpio doesn't appear to have a gear function, but rather, a more Technic-based one (with the aid of rubber bands) like the Lord of Skull Spiders (also the tiny bits of red on it really clash). There really aren't enough pictures of it to see what I want to see. This set could either be really awesome or really... err... unexceptional.

- Skull Grinder is A+ (them shoulders/gearbox :V).

- Ekimu also has a gearbox, meaning two in one set! :3
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Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on May 24, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
hyped for ekimu

also got Lewa, Tahu, and Pohatu.  Planning on combining them a la original toa nuva somehow, for the nostalgia factor.  I'll figure something out
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on June 16, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
If you live in the UK, you can probably get the summer sets right about now. Hopefully that means they'll be early in the US also.

Also, combiners.

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/TheOneVeyronian/Miscellaneous/70791_70792_70793_combo_model.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/TheOneVeyronian/Miscellaneous/70794_70795_combo_model.jpg
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on June 17, 2015, 10:07:18 AM
YES PLEASE
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on June 17, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
That Ekimu-Grinder-Skorpio combiner is hella rad. Do want.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 03, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
Instructions for the sets themselves, if anybody is curious (no combo instructions yet, though). (http://www.bzpower.com/story.php?ID=7749) Skull Basher's instructions are particularly fascinating, and make me want to see more sets that use Technic features rather than gearboxes in the future (although the gearboxes are great, diversity is always a good thing). Skull Scorpio's instructions look pretty complex for a set like that, though I'm not sure if the end result is as positive as I would like it to be (perhaps they still need to work on using CCBS for non-bipedal figures).

EDIT: Also some reviews.





Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Maelstrom on July 03, 2015, 08:41:32 PM
They still looks like something I don't really want to spend my money on.
Call me when the make something like Axel or Brutaka again.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 03, 2015, 09:35:55 PM
Also, unrelated to previous subject, but I found this fun little video. :P

Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 27, 2015, 04:45:01 AM
2016 GET HYPED. (http://imgur.com/a/dLTqL)


I like Lewa, Tahu, and Pohatu the best (winged Tahu is majestic, and Pohatu has a rock on a chain as part of his weapon- simply simply quite awesome; all three have good-looking masks, but Lewa's just knocks everything else out of the park). Also, I love the use of the Vorox/Skrall piece. Nice to see it coming back- it has a very versatile shape. Also of note is that Lewa seems to be the only Toa without blue eyes.

The creatures by themselves are only mildly interesting.

Umarak is pretty cool, if a bit jumbled (what is that golden mask that comes with him? Doesn't look like the Mask of Control, and doesn't look like his own?). Also of note... are those BLUE 2-axles? :O
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 27, 2015, 09:57:02 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 27, 2015, 04:45:01 AM(what is that golden mask that comes with him? Doesn't look like the Mask of Control, and doesn't look like his own?)
I'm fairly certain that it is the Mask of Control. It seems that they've changed it a bit from the animation design. TBH, I liked it when it didn't have a trunk-nose-thing.

Stoked for this next wave. All the Toa look hella rad.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 27, 2015, 12:35:45 PM
dude, is this the Nuvas?
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on September 27, 2015, 05:24:18 PM
Ha, I wish. The set names that have been leaked are calling them "Uniters" instead of "Masters," so maybe at the end of this wave they'll receive a power upgrade? Or maybe it's referring to how they can combine with their respective beasts?

Also: anyone else been watching the animations? My favorite moment was easily in episode 13. "A breeze? What are you, the Master of Air?"
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 27, 2015, 06:10:13 PM
AAAH I DID BUT I DIDN"T KNOW THERE WERE NEW ONES
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on September 27, 2015, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on September 27, 2015, 09:57:02 AMI'm fairly certain that it is the Mask of Control. It seems that they've changed it a bit from the animation design. TBH, I liked it when it didn't have a trunk-nose-thing.
If it is, it's changed pretty drastically. Aside from the "trunk," they also changed the sides (curved instead of angled), "eyebrows," everything about the "forehead," and other lines and ridges all across the mask.

Also, considering that there's still another wave for 2016, it's possible that this is another, vaguely similar mask, or a mutated/changed version of the Mask of Control.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on September 27, 2015, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on September 27, 2015, 05:24:18 PMAlso: anyone else been watching the animations? My favorite moment was easily in episode 13. "A breeze? What are you, the Master of Air?"
I just watched that and I've fallen and I can't get up
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on October 23, 2015, 11:04:09 AM
Poster (http://i.imgur.com/08GHhru.jpg) + poorly translated set descriptions (http://brickset.com/article/17302/bionicle-2016-set-descriptions) = hype?
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on October 23, 2015, 11:11:07 AM
"with crystal wings sonic"
dying

In other news I just bought skull slicer.  Has some good parts on him, love the blades, but his legs feel a little thin to me.  I get that's what they were going for, but I'd rather have some armor or thickness on the thighs
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on October 23, 2015, 02:03:42 PM
but he's supposed to be

spooky


Also, I have all the hype for 2016. Gali's standing out as my favorite right now, while Pohatu (my favorite from this year) doesn't have much going for him. Let's hope the flail is way cooler than it looks right now.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on November 25, 2015, 06:33:44 AM
Quality images get hyped! (http://brickset.com/sets/year-2016/theme-Bionicle)

- Changes made to Onua are a good improvement.
- Did they make Tahu's mask shorter, or is it just the angle making it look that way (or, perhaps, they made more of the mask grey instead of red)?
- It seems like they changed the color of transparent green Lewa uses (along with changing the eyes to blue). Nooooo (it's not terrible now, just not quite as good as before)...
- The orange parts on Gali are very... interesting. The mask looks a lot better now that it's not primarily blue.
- Pohatu looks weirdly thin and elongated, although it's probably caused by his weird pose. Though, it does appear that they may have made his neck longer, for some reason. Also, it seems like they made the brown used for his armor lighter, which I can't say I'm a fan of (also, he's missing his "metal arm")...
- Kopaka looks sturdy. Overall, very nice.
- Still don't like the Mask of Control, but Umarak is awesome.
- Creatures are slightly more interesting than Protectors. I hope they as good in practice, so to say.
- Lots of cool-looking arm and leg builds here. New parts look promising.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on November 25, 2015, 07:54:41 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 25, 2015, 06:33:44 AM- Still don't like the Mask of Control, but Umarak is awesome.
Other leaked images show that Umarak can also link up with at least Terak, Uxar, and Ikir. Needless to say I think we have the best villain in G2 so far.

eat your heart out LoSS
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 03, 2015, 06:15:34 PM
One BZPower user made a Mata Nui MOC. Spoilers: It's awesome. (http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/20920-the-big-kahuna/)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on December 03, 2015, 06:18:57 PM
oh my everything

that's awesome
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 12, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
There's a BZPower 2016 livestream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFTh9BqqVoE) going on right now. So far, I've learned that 2016 Lewa + Uxar is the Lewa we deserve.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on December 12, 2015, 08:24:23 PM
but not the one we need
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 13, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 12, 2015, 08:24:23 PMbut not the one we need
like hell it isn't

Anyway, VBBN has posted a review of Umarak on the Eurobricks forums (http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=118265), as well as one for Gali (http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=118314).
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 25, 2016, 03:29:30 PM
http://imgur.com/a/NI3AW

Summer 2016 preliminaries that seem to be legit based on set descriptions from the London Toy Fair.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 25, 2016, 03:38:39 PM
Aha, I was wondering what happened to the all-but-confirmed Quake Beast when he was noticeably absent from the Winter lineup. Also, Umarak the Destroyer and a god-like trans-blue Ekimu. Sick. Get hype.

Oh also LEGO shared the first few seconds of footage for the Bionicle Netflix series on Facebook, coming...whenever. I get the feeling that reactions are going to be mixed, since this artstyle is quite unlike anything we've seen before.

EDIT: Hold on...Quake Beast's morning star weapon looks very familiar. Judging by the designs and weapons of the other two Beasts, anyone getting the feeling that we're seeing the Protectors?
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on January 25, 2016, 03:47:09 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on January 25, 2016, 03:38:39 PMEDIT: Hold on...Quake Beast's morning star weapon looks very familiar. Judging by the designs and weapons of the other two Beasts, anyone getting the feeling that we're seeing the Protectors?
I didn't think about that before; mutated Protectors would be pretty awesome... :P
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on January 26, 2016, 12:44:21 PM
I take back what I said about mixed reactions to the Journey to One series because Lewa's trailer came out today and it's sick.

EDIT: Get frickin' hype. (https://i.imgur.com/tdTDcM8.jpg)
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on February 16, 2016, 08:35:54 PM
Bzpower has brought us many quality images (http://www.bzpower.com/story.php?ID=8367). Things are looking... pretty interesting, to say the least. Overall, I'd say my opinions of Ekimu have greatly increased, and Umarak have slightly decreased (but only very slightly!).
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on March 14, 2016, 03:59:33 PM
Journey to One is... interesting, to say the least.  I'd recommend checking out the prologue but it doesn't get any better.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 30, 2016, 01:16:31 AM
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=138163&st=0

Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: mikey on July 30, 2016, 08:06:31 AM
saw that they were gone again on their facebook page.  Not happy.
Title: Re: The BIONICLE 2015 speculation thread
Post by: Dudeman on July 30, 2016, 01:13:02 PM
And they're not even releasing the Mask of Ultimate Power in any physical form! At all! Like, wtf?!