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Title: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on August 17, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
Hi everyone!

I've recently decided I'd like to arrange the arrangement of Yoko Shimomura's  Tetris - Type A (http://marioandluigi.wikidot.com/local--files/forum:thread/TetrisTypeA.mp3) from Super Smash Bros Brawl (which in itself is an arrangement of an arrangement of a nineteenth-century Russian folk song) for my Senior Band at school. I was planning to do this myself, but I thought it would be a whole lot more fun if any of you wanted to help me so it's as good as it can be (and accurate :P).

I've never done anything this big before, so even if you don't want to help me, advice is always welcome. Also, I really don't care how much you want to contribute, even if it's just a couple of bars!

Thank you all and I hope you will consider helping me wth this daunting task. :)

WORK IS NOW IN PROGRESS!
TETRIS TYPE A
Bars 1 - 28 completed!
 Check it out here! (http://marioandluigi.wikidot.com/local--files/forum:thread/TetrisTypeA.mus)
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: Bespinben on August 17, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
As much as I'd like to help, I've never arranged anything outside of piano, so yeah XD

One thing I can say is that, since you said this is for band, you could substitute the violin solo in the song with a flute or piano.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: Brassman388 on August 17, 2011, 04:05:02 PM
Get it started, instrumentation and all and see what you can get accomplished. If you need help with rhythms or tonal problems, I'll take a look at it and guide you through it.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: fingerz on August 17, 2011, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: Bespinben on August 17, 2011, 03:30:31 PMOne thing I can say is that, since you said this is for band, you could substitute the violin solo in the song with a flute or piano.
Yeah, we have a Piccolo player and she'll be able to do that. :)

Quote from: Brassman388 on August 17, 2011, 04:05:02 PMGet it started, instrumentation and all and see what you can get accomplished. If you need help with rhythms or tonal problems, I'll take a look at it and guide you through it.
Thanks Brassman! I was hoping you'd have a look at it for me. :D
I'll keep you guys posted on my progress!
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: Bespinben on August 17, 2011, 07:11:54 PM
You know fingerz, you could just write out all the chord progressions and the melody and use the band-in-a-box plug-in to get an easy start.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: fingerz on August 17, 2011, 07:47:48 PM
Quote from: Bespinben on August 17, 2011, 07:11:54 PMYou know fingerz, you could just write out all the chord progressions and the melody and use the band-in-a-box plug-in to get an easy start.
What's that?
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: Bespinben on August 17, 2011, 07:51:36 PM
It's a plug-in that comes with Finale 2011. It pretty much makes an orchestration out a single line. Here's a demonstration:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35209091/autoHarm.swf
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: Brassman388 on August 17, 2011, 10:46:49 PM
No, get used to writing everything out manually, first.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: fingerz on August 18, 2011, 03:07:19 PM
Quote from: Brassman388 on August 17, 2011, 10:46:49 PMNo, get used to writing everything out manually, first.
Yeah, I was thinking of writing it out by ear first and then see if I need to add more chords. :)

I'm going to start posting my progress! So far I've nearly done bars 1 - 16. There are a few things I don't know how to do yet though. I don't know how to write percussion parts! I'm getting taught soon so that'll be okay.

Also, the band is missing certain instruments, such as oboe, bassoon and violin, so I've given those parts to different instruments. Plus, I'm 1st Clarinet so... :P
The timpani roll at the start is in demi-semi quavers because I don't know how do write a roll.
Please tell me what you think and what needs improving. :)
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: Bespinben on August 18, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
I think note rolls can be written as a tremolo with 3+ bars underneath. That's at least how Finale interprets them.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! An awesome project!!
Post by: fingerz on August 18, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
Alright gentlemen (and ladies)! I'm wrapping up today and I'll be back tomorrow with more for ya! :D
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on August 23, 2011, 03:14:49 PM
Waha! Bars 1 - 16 done! Tell me whatcha think. :D

Bars 17 - 28 started!
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: Bespinben on August 23, 2011, 03:22:41 PM
Just listened to bars 1-16. SO AWESOME. I do think though that you should write the piccolo line with a transposed 8va treble clef, as that would be proper.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: IAmYou on August 23, 2011, 05:04:22 PM
I've listened to what you have so far, and it sounds great. I do have a couple questions, though.

In bars 13-16, is there any particular reason for having the piccolo play that part and not the flutes? That A isn't very difficult to reach. Especially if you kept it to first flutes, and they'd definitely project better on those lower notes. Just wondering.

Are you writing this in concert pitch? Because that's what the file was in when I opened it. If so, I'd advise transposing, because it'll make it much easier for ranges and such.

Is your Bari Sax player very good? Those low As could be kind of hard to reach, especially slurring from a higher note. You might want to give that part to the tuba, too, for that recurring rhythm.

You are, in fact, notating the timpani rolls correctly.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on August 23, 2011, 11:22:30 PM
Quote from: IAmYou on August 23, 2011, 05:04:22 PMI've listened to what you have so far, and it sounds great. I do have a couple questions, though.

In bars 13-16, is there any particular reason for having the piccolo play that part and not the flutes? That A isn't very difficult to reach. Especially if you kept it to first flutes, and they'd definitely project better on those lower notes. Just wondering.

Are you writing this in concert pitch? Because that's what the file was in when I opened it. If so, I'd advise transposing, because it'll make it much easier for ranges and such.

Is your Bari Sax player very good? Those low As could be kind of hard to reach, especially slurring from a higher note. You might want to give that part to the tuba, too, for that recurring rhythm.

You are, in fact, notating the timpani rolls correctly.
Thanks IAmYou!
Okay, I'll check out the flutes and see whether I like it. :)
Don't worry, I know the ranges for each instrument and when I've finished I'm going to check everything.
Yes, the Bari Sax player is awesome and he can easily do that. I've added the Bass Clarinet to that part but if you really think I need the Tuba, I'll add it.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: IAmYou on August 24, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
Yeah, I'm a flute player, so that just caught my eye. I know I'd be annoyed if the piccolo got a part I could play (though I'd be playing piccolo anyway so  :P)

Well, what I meant about ranges is that looking at the parts as written would make it easier to keep it in range and not get carried away. At least for me. But maybe I'm just weird *shrug*

Well as long as the Bari Sax player is good it's fine. If he weren't so good it would be difficult XD.

Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: DrP on August 24, 2011, 11:12:40 PM
I'm liking everything so far. I can't really offer much help because I really didn't analyze it much.

I know the clarinet part is going to be fantastic (make it the best!!!)
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on August 27, 2011, 01:16:48 AM
Bars 1 - 28 are finished! The bass is quite heavily orientated towards the end of that phrase, and the sax and french horn parts fit really well. Plus, I discovered a few more timpani parts and managed to add the double bass and electric bass in. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on September 04, 2011, 11:18:40 PM
Ah, I have a question (and another one which I'll post when I find the name of the instrument)!
How do you remove/add instruments in Finale 2011 when you've already created the page. I don't want to have to make a new one. XD
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: Shadoninja on September 04, 2011, 11:25:29 PM
Adding new staves

use the staff tool and then go to staff -> new staves or new staves(with setup wizard).

alternatively, you can create a blank stave by double clicking on the staff tool button. this also works with the measure tool which allows to you add a measure to the end.


Removing existing staves.

click on the box to the left of a staff and right click to bring up the menu, then delete staves or delete staves and reposition.  the first option makes it so all the other staves stay where they are while the second option moves them in a way that reduces the amount of blank space
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on September 06, 2011, 03:00:37 PM
Thanks Shadoninja!
I'm sorry, but I'm still having trouble finding these things... Is there any way you can possibly show me a picture of whereabouts it is?
I've found the measure tool, but nothing to do with adding new staves with setup wizard. XD
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: Shadoninja on September 06, 2011, 03:59:12 PM
Add Staves
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n208/shadoninja/newstaves.jpg)

Delete Staves
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n208/shadoninja/deletestaves.jpg)

I apologize for confusing you with extra trivia. hopefully this is clear.
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on September 06, 2011, 11:11:19 PM
Ah! Thanks Shadoninja! I've worked it out now. :D
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: fingerz on September 23, 2011, 08:28:57 PM
QUESTION! How would you add a Mark Tree into Finale?
Title: Re: Calling all arrangers!! Tetris Type A!!
Post by: pumpy_heart on September 23, 2011, 09:24:45 PM
How do you add the sound in? I found this in the Finale manual.
QuoteTo use Garritan Instruments in new scores:
From the File menu, choose New > Document with Setup Wizard. Or, in the Launch Window, select Setup Wizard. Page 1 of the Document Setup Wizard appears.
Choose a Document Style and Ensemble if you'd like and click Next. If you choose one of the ensembles marked "Garritan," Finale will load the Garritan instruments on the next page automatically. (See also Document styles.) Page 2 appears.
From the Instrument Set drop-downmenu, choose Garritan Instruments for Finale 2011. The available Garritan instruments appear in the subsequent lists. (If you chose a Garritan ensemble on the previous page, the instruments added to the right column are indeed the Garritan sounds regardless of the state of the Instrument Set drop-down menu).
Select the desired category from the left options in the column. Double-click the instrument you would like to add. Your selections appear in the right column. Use the up and down arrows on the right to adjust the score order manually. (Or, choose a preset order from the Score Order drop-down menu.)
Click Next.
Enter a Title, Composer, Copyright, and other information and click Next. The final page appears.
Make any additional settings and click Finish to complete the wizard.
Your new document opens. The instrument staves that appear are automatically configured for playback using Garritan sounds. For detailed information on setting up Garritan sounds, see Garritan Instrument Setup.

While notating into staves set for GPO playback, be sure all entries are within the range of the selected instrument. Notes outside of an instrument’s range will not playback. For a list of instrument ranges, see GPO Finale Edition Instrument Details.

Some instruments contain “Keyswitches” which are notes outside the range of the instrument that trigger a patch change from, for example, arco to Pizzicato. For a list of Keyswitches, see GPO Finale Edition Instrument Details. See also To add Keyswitches as Expressions.

Note that if Human Playback is enabled, it will recognize, for example, “arco” and “pizz,” and add keyswitches automatically. See the GPO & HP Tutorial Supplement for additional information.
Hope that helps.